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[Borondir]

What the hell? What's that about Blabbermouth? We can talk about metal here too, thank you very much.  And thankfully generally have more intelligent conversations about it.

I don't think Carcass were really ever melodeath until their last few experimental albums, and hardly even then.  They were basically brutal death/grind up to about Heartwork.

But I don't think melodeath was just invented by the press, it means melodic death metal and was first applied to At the Gates, Dark Tranquillity, and In Flames during the mid 90s with their whole "Gothenburg" sound, blending melodic guitar harmonies a la Maiden with death metal.


And finally, while I agree that Neil Young is a master musician (he's way up on my Last.Fm profile), but I'm not sure what he has to do with a thread about metal...?

[Kai]

Yeah, that was kinda puzzling me too.

[KharBevNor]

What the hell? What's that about Blabbermouth? We can talk about metal here too, thank you very much.  And thankfully generally have more intelligent conversations about it.

What do you mean, generally? Every single discussion on blabbermouth is just the same:


SATANS_TROLL_666: OMFG This bnad are such fukin pozerz!
EvilSteven37: WOTEVA FAG U R JUST RETARDED I BET U LISTEN 2 BLACK METLA
InFlamezRulez: Fukin blak metal sukz its just noize and shit apart from Cradel of filth they r gud and also dimoo borgir
Nattefrost_69: ALL HAIL EVIL SATANIC EVIL BLACK METAL OF EVIL FROM HELL (666).
InFlamezRulez: OMG FAG
SATANS_TROLL_666: Dummy Burger suck cock!
Shagrath's_Minion: OMFG WOT U CALL DIMMU BORGIR?
Metald00d: Hey guys, can we please lets just chill out?
Nattefrost_69: CHILLING OUT IS FOR POSERS! ETERNAL WAR!

[Trollstormur]

(the soulseek black metal chat is like that, only with much more racism.)

[jariku]

My favourite black metal conversations go like this:

Black metal freak: Hey, does anyone like Darkthrone?
Noise freak: Meh, they're overproduced pop.

[KharBevNor]

(the soulseek black metal chat is like that, only with much more racism.)

I'd have got to the racism, meta-elitism, nazism and calling all American metal mallcore, but I couldn't be arsed to think up anymore screen-names.

[Borondir]

Which is why its such a relief to find a board like this, where you can talk about any music, including metal, without people who can't use grammar and type in all caps.

Also, the generally was uncalled for, so sorry...

But Blabbermouth doesn't even have what one might call discussions or conversations...

[jariku]

I'd have got to the racism, meta-elitism, nazism and calling all American metal mallcore, but I couldn't be arsed to think up anymore screen-names.

Racism: Arischeblut
Meta-Elitism: Mütiilator
Nazism: AlgizHH88
American metal etc: Snorre616

[Misereatur]

(the soulseek black metal chat is like that, only with much more racism.)

You should go into the Neo-Folk room. The only time I visited it, there were jews arguing with a Screwdriver fan. Then Dougls P. was called a fag.

[Trollstormur]

calling all American metal mallcore

calling absu mallcore? TROLL SMAAAAASH

[amok]

To be honest soulseek chat rooms are pretty much the armpit of the internet regardless of genre. It's all LOL RACISM AND BABY RAPE I'M SO EDGY.

[Misereatur]

Yeah, but where else can you get Boris albums at 3 am?


Edit: Wait, if Soulseek is the armpit, then Blabbermouth is probably the rectum.

[KharBevNor]

And 4chan is the mouth, vomiting meme after foul-smelling meme down the toilet bowl of the internet.

[Running For Home]

If we're still talking about metal, I can only say your life is not complete until you've seen Dragonforce's Herman Li do a solo.  It's mind numbing.

[Cerulaetas]

On a much more hilarious note, anyone here ever heard of Stalaggh?

[Trollstormur]

no. ever heard of Gefilte Fist?

[Cerulaetas]

Nope.  

Ok, Stalaggh: fucked up noise band who, for vocals, gets a bunch of mental patients together, locks them up in a recording booth, and records them screaming out whatever fucked up emotions they're feeling at the time.  It's quite possibly the most disturbing thing I've ever heard.

Ok, your turn.  What's "Gefilte Fist"?

[RUSH2112]

I have no idea what's going on so I'm just gonna name the best metal band ever (since I don't consider Rush metal): Dream Theater.

[Borondir]

Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?

And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.

[Filk]

Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.

If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.

[Aneurhythmia]

Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.

If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.

Or you could just listen to any number of existing virtuoso technical metal bands.  Some of which even have a decent notion of songwriting.

[Kai]

Like Agalloch, who are so much cooler it fucking hurts me. In the spleen.

[Aneurhythmia]

Like Agalloch, who are so much cooler it fucking hurts me. In the spleen.

I dunno that they fall into the virtuoso/tech. metal category really, but I love The Mantle.

[Kai]

I was more of categorizing Dream Theatre and Agalloch into prog metal (despite that Dream THeatre aren't very good at prog. Like, at all).


Virtuoso? My favorite is Buckethead, really. You get the avant with the metal (on most albums, some are more ambient n shiz) and it rocks the fuck out.

[Trollstormur]

Ok, your turn.  What's "Gefilte Fist"?

"Gefilte Fist is a blackened deathcore band from Tampa, Florida that plays dramatic show tunes, soaring uplifting melodies, life-affirming smooth jazz and blasphemous elevator music if you are a fahg."

[Scandanavian War Machine]

LAY DOWN YOUR SOUL TO THE GODS ROCK AND ROCK
(venom-black metal)


also: Bloodline Calligraphy has a super gnarly chick singer

[Borondir]

I really wouldn't call Agalloch prog by any stretch of the imagination, they don't really have technical playing, strange chord progressions, and rhythmic complexity. What they do have is amazingly emotional, dark, and atmospheric blending of folk, neoclassical and metal.

[KharBevNor]

But they are progressive for metal, as in they do different things and they have odd influences.

Why should prog, meaning progression, all sound the same? Agalloch are definitely prog in my mind, in the same way Pink Floyd were never technically amazing, but they were bloody prog.

[Aneurhythmia]

Yeah, I'd be inclined to say that if a band fuses neoclassical, folk, and metal and does concept material with themes integrated across an album, "progressive" isn't totally off the mark.

[Borondir]

Argh, I'm surrendering to silly genre definitions. They are progressive in the sense that they are creating unique, new, and imaginative music. They are not "prog" in the sense that they do not fit a fairly established template by which some rock bands explore musical technicality.

[RUSH2112]

Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.

If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.

Pfft...Jordan Rudess pwns all. Seriously. Get rid of him and Dream theater would be on crutches...Seriously.

[RUSH2112]

Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?

And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.

Ok lets go down the list:

John Petrucci: Best guitarist ever tied with Satriani and Vai.

Jordan Rudess: Unrivaled keyboardist. You can't mess with him.

Mike Portnoy: Too heavy on the double-bass pedals but DAMN if he isn't good. Seriously. Neil Peart, Steve Smith and a few others beat him but not many.

John Myung: A seriously cool bass player who is sort of in the same area as Mike is with drums: Not the best but definitely in the top ten.

James LaBrie: A voice that sort of has to grow on you but It's better than Axle Rose by a long shot. They could have picked worse. Basically you take him away and you get LTE so you sort of need him.

[Aneurhythmia]

Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?

And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.

Ok lets go down the list:

John Petrucci: Best guitarist ever tied with Satriani and Vai.

Jordan Rudess: Unrivaled keyboardist. You can't mess with him.

Mike Portnoy: Too heavy on the double-bass pedals but DAMN if he isn't good. Seriously. Neil Peart, Steve Smith and a few others beat him but not many.

John Myung: A seriously cool bass player who is sort of in the same area as Mike is with drums: Not the best but definitely in the top ten.

James LaBrie: A voice that sort of has to grow on you but It's better than Axle Rose by a long shot. They could have picked worse. Basically you take him away and you get LTE so you sort of need him.

You don't listen to a lot of virtuoso players, do you?

[RUSH2112]

Um, if you have no idea what's going on, why even bother to post?

And Dream Theater is only metal sometimes, and even then, certainly not the best.

Ok lets go down the list:

John Petrucci: Best guitarist ever tied with Satriani and Vai.

Jordan Rudess: Unrivaled keyboardist. You can't mess with him.

Mike Portnoy: Too heavy on the double-bass pedals but DAMN if he isn't good. Seriously. Neil Peart, Steve Smith and a few others beat him but not many.

John Myung: A seriously cool bass player who is sort of in the same area as Mike is with drums: Not the best but definitely in the top ten.

James LaBrie: A voice that sort of has to grow on you but It's better than Axle Rose by a long shot. They could have picked worse. Basically you take him away and you get LTE so you sort of need him.

You don't listen to a lot of virtuoso players, do you?

I listen to a lot. The only two up there that I consider true virtuosos are JR and JP. The others are just damn good.

Why who would you prefer?

[Aneurhythmia]

I dunno.  I'd question either Petrucci or Satriani being in the top 10.  Vai seems less limited than those two, but there are probably better anyway.

And there are probably thousands of jazz drummers that are better than Portnoy.

[RUSH2112]

I dunno.  I'd question either Petrucci or Satriani being in the top 10.  Vai seems less limited than those two, but there are probably better anyway.

And there are probably thousands of jazz drummers that are better than Portnoy.

Ever seen G3 in Tokyo? That was amazing. Vai, Petrucci, and Satriani all together. Amazing. I don't think I could pick which was better. A lot of people just don't like Petrucci because he doesn't showboat while he's onstage (like Vai does). But he doesn't need to because it sounds too good anyway.

As to Portnoy, I will readily admit there are ones better than him. I already named a few. Smith, and the true master Peart for instance. As far as I'm concerned, Peart is the best simply because whenever he hears a new style of drumming he incorporates it into his own. He's the most diverse drummer ever. And who could forget the legend, Buddy Rich? But even Peart beats him.

[Aneurhythmia]

I dunno.  I'd question either Petrucci or Satriani being in the top 10.  Vai seems less limited than those two, but there are probably better anyway.

And there are probably thousands of jazz drummers that are better than Portnoy.

Ever seen G3 in Tokyo? That was amazing. Vai, Petrucci, and Satriani all together. Amazing. I don't think I could pick which was better. A lot of people just don't like Petrucci because he doesn't showboat while he's onstage (like Vai does). But he doesn't need to because it sounds too good anyway.

As to Portnoy, I will readily admit there are ones better than him. I already named a few. Smith, and the true master Peart for instance. As far as I'm concerned, Peart is the best simply because whenever he hears a new style of drumming he incorporates it into his own. He's the most diverse drummer ever. And who could forget the legend, Buddy Rich? But even Peart beats him.

That's a pretty lofty claim.  And an interesting definition of best.

And I tend to prefer Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin, and Paco DeLucia's proto-G3.

[RUSH2112]

Excuse my ignorance, but did DiMiola do anything electric? Because he is without a doubt an unrivaled classical guitarist. But I've never heard anything by him electric. Perhaps I should specify. We were talking metal and I naturally assumed we were talking electric guitarists.

But what about JR and NP? Can your really find anyone better? ( I swear if you say Chic Corea...)

[Filk]

Dream Theater has one of the most skilled musicians i've ever heard.

If they went a little heavier, switched to a less whiny vocalist and got rid of the keyboards, i'd love them for the rest of my days.

Or you could just listen to any number of existing virtuoso technical metal bands.  Some of which even have a decent notion of songwriting.

The thing with metal bands is that they generally have one good player and the rest are just slightly above average. In DT every single one of them is pretty damn good. (I said generally, I know there are exceptions)

Pfft...Jordan Rudess pwns all. Seriously. Get rid of him and Dream theater would be on crutches...Seriously.

I have nothing against Rudess or his musical abilities, I just think keyboards don't really belong there. Or maybe i just don't like prog metal generally, it just sounds stange to me. Now i have an instrumental CD with just Rudess and Petrucci and it's really good.

Virtuoso? My favorite is Buckethead, really. You get the avant with the metal (on most albums, some are more ambient n shiz) and it rocks the fuck out.

He's amazing. The first album of his i got was Enter the Chicken and it really surprised me how he can make excellent songs in so many different genres.

Oh and i keep hearing about Agalloch, but none of the stores in my area have any of their CDs. Bastards

[Borondir]

Oh and i keep hearing about Agalloch, but none of the stores in my area have any of their CDs. Bastards

Welcome to the world of underground metal.

I really don't listen to much prog, or virtuoso players, so I'll have to trust people who know better than me on Dream Theater, sure they are excellent musicians, but not a single one of them is the best at what they do...I mean come on.   Like someone said, there are hundreds if not thousands of jazz drummers better than Portnoy. Myung is an amazing player, but doesn't end up doing very creative stuff.  Petrucci, also very good, but there a many far more creative guitarists out there.  

Just because, overall, Dream Theater are better musicians than your average metal band, doesn't mean they are the best.

[Storm Rider]

I don't really consider Dream Theater metal, but I still love them. Petrucci is one of my favorite guitarists ever and I don't really care what anyone says.

Sure, there are other technical metal bands, but that shouldn't reflect badly on Dream Theater, considering that they're usually completely different. For example, I don't compare Atheist or Necrophagist to them, because it's pointless.

[timehat]

Excuse my ignorance, but did DiMiola do anything electric? Because he is without a doubt an unrivaled classical guitarist. But I've never heard anything by him electric. Perhaps I should specify. We were talking metal and I naturally assumed we were talking electric guitarists.

But what about JR and NP? Can your really find anyone better? ( I swear if you say Chic Corea...)

Speaking of Chick Corea, Al DiMeola played in his fusion band Return to Forever. FUSION. ELECTRIC GUITAR.

Dream Theater sucks my balls, by the way.

[Aneurhythmia]

You're such a belligerent drunk.

[amok]

I'm totally gay for Dream Theater, even though they don't really belong in here Petrucci rocks my socks. It's not just about technique, his solos are technically brilliant and awesome. As opposed to that Yngwie wanker who can play several billion notes a second but couldn't write a song to save his life. I prefer Petrucci's slower but melodic solos to mindless twiddling.

Back to metal, I've been appreciating My Dying Bride a lot recently, it's been awhile. Any other fans kickin' about?

[KharBevNor]

Early My Dying Bride is one of my favourite things ever. The new stuff is okay (though I feel they've lost a lot of their atmospheric gloom and exchanged consistently brilliant albums for more patchy affairs that can offer up very nice stuff (ie Catherine Blake) among more average stuff, as well as simplifying the dynamics far too much). I also kinda like 34.788%...Complete, even though most people seem to hate it. I respect My Dying Bride for not actually turning into a bad goth rock band in the late 90's like most of their genre contemporaries.

And Turn Loose the Swans must be one of the most brilliant albums ever.

[Kai]

My Dying Bride win.

[Borondir]

My Dying Bride are one of my favorite bands ever, not just metal.

[Misereatur]

"MDB have been locked up in the studio since the beginning of April and are busy recording their new album. According to the band, at least 5 songs have already been recorded with more in the pipeline. No details on song or album titles are available, yet. John, the drummer from The Prophecy, with whom the band have played live in the past year, is also behind the kit in the studio, filling in for regular MDB drummer Shaun Taylor-Steels (who is still having problems with his ankle after injuring it badly last year)."

Somthing tells me it's going to be an awsome album.

[Kai]

I hope. the thought of a new MDB album makes my pants tingle.

[RUSH2112]

Excuse my ignorance, but did DiMiola do anything electric? Because he is without a doubt an unrivaled classical guitarist. But I've never heard anything by him electric. Perhaps I should specify. We were talking metal and I naturally assumed we were talking electric guitarists.

But what about JR and NP? Can your really find anyone better? ( I swear if you say Chic Corea...)

Speaking of Chick Corea, Al DiMeola played in his fusion band Return to Forever. FUSION. ELECTRIC GUITAR.

Dream Theater sucks my balls, by the way.

You don't have to be an ass about it. Was I being an ass about it? I asked a legitimate question and you jumped down my goddamned throat.