Topic: J. Jacques Doesn't Care About Black People: A Hip-Hop Thread (Read 29625 times)

Kai · « **Reply #50 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 19:28 »

FLAVA FLAV WINS MAN

JLM · « **Reply #51 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 19:50 »

Quote from: jeph

C: I forgot what C was going to be.

C was going to be you telling us who your favorite rapper was?

RE: the title - "J. Jacques" could be anyone! It could even stand for "Joseph!"

Kidding aside, it's your site and if you tell me to change the title I'll change it. I didn't think it would be that offensive but ultimately it's your call.

est · « **Reply #52 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 20:47 »

Man, hip hop is something I get angry about. As I've found out lately there is still so much good hip hop around, and yet hardly any of it gets onto the radio anymore because of all the goddamn fucking whores selling themselves and out & making themselves and the rest of their community look like fucking assholes.

How the fuck have we gone from Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five, Public Enemy and A Tribe Called Quest to Snoop Dogg, Ludacris & 50 Cent?

I mean shit, even NWA had some social commentary in their songs.

Ok, so that said:
- Public Enemy
- Grandmaster Flash & the Furious Five
- A Tribe Called Quest
- Jungle Brothers
- De La Soul
- NWA, then Ice Cube (Dre can go fuck himself, though)
- Eric B & Rakim
- Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
- The Roots
- Jurassic 5 (although most of their stuff is starting to sound the same now)
- Sage Francis
- RJD2
- Talib Kweli
- Mos Def
- Jean Grey
- The Herd (Aus)
- Atmosphere (going to a show on saturday night, woo)
- Hilltop Hoods (Aus)
- Koolism (Aus)
- Z-Trip

I think Outkast are alright. Ugly Duckling and Blackalicious, also. Some of Missy Elliott's stuff is absolutely fucking hilarious. I don't really count Gorillaz as rap, but I like them. Some of Kanye West's stuff is awesome, but I'm really starting to get sick of his attitude. Same with the Streets. I really like some of the songs, but I've heard that Mike Skinner's a bit of an asshole.

I liked Eminem a little when I first heard his deprecative humour raps and so forth, but then when he started to take himself seriously I quickly got turned off. Then he started all that stupid shit with Moby & I realised that he was a fucking meathead.

I used to like Cypress Hill, but then realised they were a bunch of well-off kids masquerading as Gs & tried to claim that Ice Cube ripped off one of their songs or some shit. Also, B-Real's voice gets to be like a bee in your fucking ear after a while.

I'm sure I've missed some, but thar ye go.

IronOxide · « **Reply #53 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 20:52 »

I'm all about NWA and Kanye West. Past that I'm lost.

Bastardous Bassist · « **Reply #54 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 21:04 »

Quote from: est

Man, hip hop is something I get angry about. As I've found out lately there is still so much good hip hop around, and yet hardly any of it gets onto the radio anymore because of all the goddamn fucking whores selling themselves and out & making themselves and the rest of their community look like fucking assholes.

Welcome to the entire music scene! Well, except for genres that very few people like, because then the assholes don't get any play time either, because they can't make any money off of it.

Johnny C · « **Reply #55 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 21:12 »

Buck 65, contrary to certain expressed beliefs, still makes hip hop music. He just incorporates blues elements and elements of his home - the Canadian maritimes - into his music. He also made the song "Devil's Eyes." But that is not representative of his newer work.

So, with that in mind, it's all about Buck 65, Black Star, Blackalicious, Mos Def, anything that Quasimoto and MF Doom are involved with (especially Madvillain!), Common, Kanye, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, De La Soul, Ludacris, Talib Kweli, Nas, and pretty much anything that's recent by Snoop Dogg ("Signs?" "Drop It Like It's Hot?" Hell yes), and the occasional piece of crunk. Oh, and "The Whisper Song" which is creepy and wrong but yet very fun to listen to. If you can't hate children, how can you hate grown men with child minds?

And guys - everybody - if you don't like the gangsta elements, fine, but don't hold it against the artists. Considering rap's origins, history, and connections to modern urban culture, the content of a lot of rap now is the social commentary - like, the medium is the message. Basically, it's not up to the rappers to start rapping about their Adidas shoes again, it's up to us to be culturally literate and filter out why they're rapping about sex and violence. And for that matter, it's up to us to ask that exact same thing about rock music and electronic music and a lot of music and do you see my point yet? Music doesn't exist in a vacuum. Simple as that.

Hat · « **Reply #56 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 22:58 »

I've seen a few folks mention the Hilltop Hoods, and while they're not terrible, I'm just kind of surprised they were thought highly enough of to mention it here, because while I loved them when I was first getting into Hiphop a few years ago, the more I listen to them, and other hip-hop, the more I get tired of them. I mean, don't get me wrong, theres still a few songs on their albums I still put on regular rotation (What the Seasons Change, Distortion, Illusionary Lines and The Sentinal are all great songs), but they just lost a lot of their initial sparkle for me when I heard a lot of the other stuff out there.

Plus, they are Aussies, so considering how few hip-hop groups really make it on a large scale, I guess theres quite a bit of pride there as well, but generally, I prefer Koolism, or even The Herd, and Butterfingers for any sort of serious music sessions.

Then again, I do have pretty "terrible" taste in music in other genres, so shit, I am not judging anyone.

est · « **Reply #57 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 23:03 »

I have no problems with them rapping about sex and violence, it's just the way that they do it. Most of the artists on my list (and probably on others, too) do address gangsta elements, but they try to do it in a way that doesn't seek to glorify and promote it. (the obvious exceptions in my list would be Ice Cube & NWA).

Most rap that I've heard talks about some kind of social problem. To use an example I wrote a while ago, if given the choice I'll take say:

Grandmaster Flash, The Message:
"Broken glass everywhere
People pissing on the stairs, you know they just don’t care
I can’t take the smell, I can’t take the noise
Got no money to move out, I guess I got no choice
Rats in the front room, roaches in the back
Junkie’s in the alley with a baseball bat
I tried to get away, but I couldn’t get far
Cause the man with the tow-truck repossessed my car"

over Ludacris from Chingy's Holiday Inn:
"Stop, drop, KABOOM!, baby rub on ya nipples
Some call me Ludacris, some call me Mr. Wiggles
Far from little, make ya mammary glands giggle
Got 'em under control, the bowl of tender biddles"

or 50 Cent from "P.I.M.P" :
"I told you fools before, I stay with the tools
I keep a Benz, some rims, and some jewels
I holla at a hoe til I got a bitch confused
She got on Payless, me I got on gator shoes "

It's like, the people at the bottom aren't getting the airplay any more, it's more the cocks at the top who are making money just bragging about it & telling people that they can do it too if they just push drugs to their friends and neighbours & rent out their girlfriends as whores. That's not the kind of message that should be given airplay.

I understand though that it's as much a problem with society as it is with hip hop in itself. There's a market for this shit because everyone's become more self-centred and materialistic. But then that's a conversation for another time, on another board.

Johnny C · « **Reply #58 on:** 20 Apr 2006, 23:23 »

Quote from: Johnny C

everybody

Est, I appreciate your argument, and actually concur with the fact that commercialism is supressing high-quality hip-hop in favour of braggarts with poor self-awareness and total dickassery. (Also, shitty beats - have you ever LISTENED to a Scott Storch song?)

The problem I have is just with people complaining about the content of a lot of gangsta rap and rap in general. If you have that much of a problem with it, maybe get your hip-hop fix from DJ Shadow?

McTaggart · « **Reply #59 on:** 21 Apr 2006, 01:04 »

Everything that Hat just said is pretty much true. I mainly included the 'Hoods because they were like a gateway drug for me.

Another thing that I should have made more clear; The Herd are fucking awesome. They were probably actually the initial kick in the ass that sent me tumbling down the hiphop hill. I've forgotten what the track was called but

'Like a three dollar fourty
bag of fresh hip hop
from your local fish and chips shop
aah, scallops
with dollops of flavour on top'

Outshined · « **Reply #60 on:** 21 Apr 2006, 01:21 »

Heard some Immortal Technique for the first time today, and it was pretty good, actually. A step up lyrically, for sure.

In regards to est's commentary and JC: It's true that sex and violence in music is no new thing, but what really irks me is the social irresponsibility of the artists. A ton of young, impressionable kids listen to this genre, and it just infuriates me that in spite of this, they make this wash for the express point of selling to this demographic, who eat it up word for word. They aren't setting a particularly good example and they glorify that, and I really think it's starting to reflect on the mentality of kids nowadays.

jose · « **Reply #61 on:** 23 Apr 2006, 23:21 »

t.i. - king

beat mouse · « **Reply #62 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 01:09 »

Quote from: Johnny C

Buck 65, contrary to certain expressed beliefs, still makes hip hop music. He just incorporates blues elements and elements of his home - the Canadian maritimes - into his music. He also made the song "Devil's Eyes." But that is not representative of his newer work.

and if you listen to the rest of the album (I put secret house as my best of 05) barely any of it is hip-hop. the first three songs can be described as 1) johnny cash, 2) a french piano ballad, and 3) math rock. the fourth song is similar to talkin honkey blues, which was already a huge step away from hiphop. he's moving towards more singing-like vocals (though it's still closer to.. talking) and the album moves back to more honky blues esque material and back to simple country songs. not to mention Drawing Curtains, one of my favourite songs on the album (if not #1) is NOTHING like hiphop.

not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but the album is nothing close to it. compare it to Square or Vertex era Buck and it's like listening to two different artists. Nothing but amazing growth from him.

and to the guy ^ who said T.I. - King... YESNO. There are a few song early on in the album that are KICKASS, but the album has dry patches where i find it totally boring. It's a pretty huge variety on the good meter.

And I can't possibly be the only guy who likes rap about sex guns and cars? It's not like I give two or three shtis about Conor Oberst's ex-girlfriend, so I can hardly see how the majority of music's content can be passed along, but rap music is cheap and horrible and should be demeritted because it's "mature" to rag on the lifestyle.

and since WHEN were ANY musicians rolemodels? if it isnt 50 cent singing about sex and drugs it's minus the bear singing about sex and drugs, or aerosmith singing about sex and drugs, or tori amos singing about sex and drugs. musician's lifestyles and image are NEVER good for rolemodels, so again, you can't dock rap for that.

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #63 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 11:10 »

I think the problem with the lifestyles that rap stars talk about is that their music is marketed to a younger demographic than most music. If you listen to the radio, which is where most young'uns get their music, nothing comes close to rap when it comes to violence, sex, and drugs. Yes, other musicians talk about a lot of the same stuff and aren't targeted for it, but other musicians don't have a fanbase younger than 16 for the most part. Rap does, which is why people are actually concerned about its content.

And for the record, I really like when a good rapper starts boasting about the people he robbed, the drugs he does, the girls he fucks, and the size of his penis. If he's really good at it, it makes for great rap.

beat mouse · « **Reply #64 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 11:22 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard

I think the problem with the lifestyles that rap stars talk about is that their music is marketed to a younger demographic than most music. If you listen to the radio, which is where most young'uns get their music, nothing comes close to rap when it comes to violence, sex, and drugs. Yes, other musicians talk about a lot of the same stuff and aren't targeted for it, but other musicians don't have a fanbase younger than 16 for the most part. Rap does, which is why people are actually concerned about its content.

...uh, you mean every 12 year old on the planet with that led zeppelin shirt and a skateboard listens to 50 cent?

onewheelwizzard · « **Reply #65 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 11:26 »

For every 12-year-old with a Zep shirt, there's 4 who just turn to their local rap station every time the radio comes on. Rap is basically the only music that exists for poor urban black kids.

beat mouse · « **Reply #66 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 11:31 »

Quote from: onewheelwizzard

For every 12-year-old with a Zep shirt, there's 4 who just turn to their local rap station every time the radio comes on. Rap is basically the only music that exists for poor urban black kids.

oh i thought you meant every kind of person.

Praeserpium Machinarum · « **Reply #67 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 12:23 »

I'll join the choir who dislike gangsta. I think the views they express through rapping are misguided and stupid. The message is what I have a problem with, to say that is akin to listening to a nazi band is a bit strong but I definitely disagree vehemently. Why? because I think it has a debasing effect, glorifying violence, degrading women, promoting ignorance etc. and the music isn't even that great. The most horryfying aspect being crunk and lord of shouting, Lil' Jon. It is a disease that needs to be rid

On the other hand I never been that big a fan of hip hop/rap, I just don't see the appeal, especially american rap for some reason.
I enjoy grime to some extent and I like Dälek plus selected tracks by DJ Shadow, RJD2, Outkast and The Roots. The Danish mainstream rap scene is about as bad as anywhere else but I like Malk de Koijn and Bikstok Røgsystem(who are actually dancehall). And last but not least Goldie Lookin' Chain and MC Frontalot!

jose · « **Reply #68 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 12:50 »

Quote from: beat mouse

and to the guy ^ who said T.I. - King... YESNO. There are a few song early on in the album that are KICKASS, but the album has dry patches where i find it totally boring. It's a pretty huge variety on the good meter.

And I can't possibly be the only guy who likes rap about sex guns and cars? It's not like I give two or three shtis about Conor Oberst's ex-girlfriend, so I can hardly see how the majority of music's content can be passed along, but rap music is cheap and horrible and should be demeritted because it's "mature" to rag on the lifestyle.

and since WHEN were ANY musicians rolemodels? if it isnt 50 cent singing about sex and drugs it's minus the bear singing about sex and drugs, or aerosmith singing about sex and drugs, or tori amos singing about sex and drugs. musician's lifestyles and image are NEVER good for rolemodels, so again, you can't dock rap for that.

yeah, obviously king isn't perfect. the rest of your post is spot on.

jose · « **Reply #69 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 13:01 »

Quote from: Praeserpium Machinarum

I'll join the choir who dislike gangsta. I think the views they express through rapping are misguided and stupid. The message is what I have a problem with, to say that is akin to listening to a nazi band is a bit strong but I definitely disagree vehemently. Why? because I think it has a debasing effect, glorifying violence, degrading women, promoting ignorance etc. and the music isn't even that great. The most horryfying aspect being crunk and lord of shouting, Lil' Jon. It is a disease that needs to be rid

On the other hand I never been that big a fan of hip hop/rap, I just don't see the appeal, especially american rap for some reason.
I enjoy grime to some extent and I like Dälek plus selected tracks by DJ Shadow, RJD2, Outkast and The Roots. The Danish mainstream rap scene is about as bad as anywhere else but I like Malk de Koijn and Bikstok Røgsystem(who are actually dancehall). And last but not least Goldie Lookin' Chain and MC Frontalot!

I'm going to quote some dizzee rascal for you

Yo If that girl know's where you stay thats poor
some whore banging on your door what for
pregnant? what're you talking about this for
fifteen, she's underage thats raw
and against law 5 years or more
and she wants a score and half of a draw
some kind of friend that you try and ignore
that whore got you pinned down to the floor
but its your own fault you said three magic words (i love you)
when thats the one for the birds
when you said that she forgot other boys
its over you better start buying the toys
there was no intention in front of your wife
that she knows this that she's ending your life
its a real shame you got hacked by the whores
its a real shame that kid probably aint yours

Outkast talk about guns, sex, and cars too

offcitylimits · « **Reply #70 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 13:59 »

My hip-hop collection is far from comprehensive; I tend to dip in and out of the genre when I'm looking for something different to listen to. So I'll just name some of my favourite albums (most of them really old):

Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers
DJ Shadow - Endtroducing (one of my favourite albums of all time, in any genre)
A Tribe Called Quest - The Low-End Theory
Nas - Illmatic
Roots - Do You Want More?!?!!/Things Fall Apart (think I prefer the more stripped-down, jazzy sound of the former though)
Mos Def & Talib Kweli - Black Star
De La Soul - 3 Feet High (really need to pick up more stuff by them)
Jurassic 5 - EP (which they've sadly recycled ad nauseum since)
Jay-Z - Reasonable Doubt

Also like what I've heard by Aesop Rock and the other Def Jux artists.

Rubby · « **Reply #71 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 15:22 »

Quote from: beat mouse

and since WHEN were ANY musicians rolemodels? if it isnt 50 cent singing about sex and drugs it's minus the bear singing about sex and drugs, or aerosmith singing about sex and drugs, or tori amos singing about sex and drugs. musician's lifestyles and image are NEVER good for rolemodels, so again, you can't dock rap for that.

Just because we don’t want them to be role models doesn’t mean they aren’t. Have you walked passed a high school lately? These kids are acting out the fantasies they see on TV. The other day I walked passed a group of kids who couldn’t have been more then twelve talking about the last bitch they fucked. These kids are in such a race to grow up that they’ll take on any idea of maturity that is pushed on them. Things aren’t in a good state when you become afraid to walk passed a group of high school kids. They just don’t understand that shit like that isn’t real. I know you live in Abbotsford so I assume you’ve heard of all the teenage shootings going on around here. It’s like they think it’s a game of Cops and Robbers and then get pissed off when consequences are forced upon them.

FeralCats · « **Reply #72 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 16:35 »

Hip-Hop and Rap are genres I really SHOULD explore more. I really like Quasimoto, even though I only have one album by him- 'The Adventures Of Lord Quas', which is cool. And I liked one Outkast song I heard on the radio..."Sorry Ms. Jackson, I am for real", I think it went like. I should really grab that album.

StrikeThePostman · « **Reply #73 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 17:37 »

Quote from: JLM

Nujabes

I love Nujabes. My favorite album is Metaphorical Music.

PrinceMyshkin · « **Reply #74 on:** 24 Apr 2006, 22:21 »

Man, Outshined hasn't shown his face for a while.

Also, I'm shocked (shocked!) that no one has mentioned The Roots. Possibly the best hip-hop band (yes, I mean band, with instruments) ever, and I'm not even mentioning their AMAZING concerts. Also, no love for Little Brother? And to that guy who was dissing the Sugarhill Gang? Man, you've got to have respect for those who came before you. Hip-hop would have blown up eventually, but the Sugarhill Gang, sappy as they are, moved the genre into the mainstream, and furthered its evolution.

If all y'all want some real, knock your socks off hip hop check out the late eighties. When rock was near record sucking levels, the underground was exploding. Be sure to check out Eric B. & Rakim.

Also remember, mainstream rock sucks (cough Nickleback).

One other thing: no Wu-Tang?

jose · « **Reply #75 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 03:44 »

Quote from: PrinceMyshkin

And to that guy who was dissing the Sugarhill Gang? Man, you've got to have respect for those who came before you. Hip-hop would have blown up eventually, but the Sugarhill Gang, sappy as they are, moved the genre into the mainstream, and furthered its evolution.

Cross-over potential in and of itself doesn't really matter if you don't like the music.

Quote from: PrinceMyshkin

Eric B. & Rakim.

awesome

Quote from: PrinceMyshkin

Also remember, mainstream rock sucks (cough Nickleback).

bad comparision. what mainstream might lack in pure "lyrical complexity" (not that I buy that entirely, mind you) mainstream hip hop producers are really making some of the best, diverse, and sonically innovative beats around. that level of innovation is really hard to find in mainstream rock or even indie rock because of boths obsession with the past. not to say that there aren't exceptions obv

Quote from: PrinceMyshkin

One other thing: no Wu-Tang?

no one does it better

BeoPuppy · « **Reply #76 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 11:17 »

Guru! Us-3! Manau!

Basically ... I can't stand Hip-Hop unless it's mixed with other stuff ....

KharBevNor · « **Reply #77 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 11:44 »

What was wrong with rock in the late 80's?

Nothing, I'll venture, worse than what was wrong with it in the early nineties.

Besides, viewing music as split simply into a rock camp and a rap camp is a little, well, 12 years old...

PrinceMyshkin · « **Reply #78 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 13:44 »

I totally agree doing that is a bit immature. It's totally ignoring groups like Flipsyde and Body Count and the Beastie Boys who do amazing stuff.

Also, about late eighties rock, just a personal opinion. There was definitly good- even great- rock going on then, and here I am thinking of the Pixies. I just feel that at that point the glam/hair metal had evolved into something similar to that blob creature from Ghostbusters 2.

BrittanyMarie · « **Reply #79 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 13:48 »

I like:

Blackalicious
Sage Francis
POS
The Crest (Minneapoliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssss!)
The Me and You Crew (straight outta Fargo)
Atmosphere
Carnage
Public Enemy (even their new album is delightful)
Run-DMC (but not DMC solo)
whoever said Why? is totally right! I think Elephant Eyelash was EASILY the best album of 05.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #80 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 14:01 »

It's more totally ignoring the fantastic number of other styles of music that exist...

Running Wild - Under Jolly Roger, Ready for Boarding and Death or Glory, Judas Priest - Ram It Down and Painkiller, Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark, Sabbat - History of a Time to Come and Dreamweaver, Venom - Prime Evil, Swans - Children of God....Meh, rock was doing fine from my perspective. As with rap, you have to look beneath the surface. Although, as I've said before, I'd take hair metal over grunge any day.

There really must be something hip-hoppish out there acceptable to me. Excepting Skindred, Bad Brains, some world and a few dub acts I've started to get into, my last.fm chart is hideously white, culturally

beat mouse · « **Reply #81 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 14:04 »

Quote from: Rubby

Just because we don’t want them to be role models doesn’t mean they aren’t...

I was simply saying that rap isn't the only genre with influence over teens. we can't forget the goth kid who shot up columbine, etc. teenagers will do stupid violent irrational things when they are fucked up, rap music and marilyn manson dont fuck kids up.

Quote from: PrinceMyshkin

Also, I'm shocked (shocked!) that no one has mentioned The Roots. Possibly the best hip-hop band (yes, I mean band, with instruments) ever, and I'm not even mentioning their AMAZING concerts.

Cypress Hill would like a word with you, though I'm a little bit of a sucker for classic albums.

more recommendations in the old-school strain:

Raekwon - Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Redman - Dare Iz A Darkside
Wu-tang Clan - Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers)
Cypress Hill - Self Titled.

edit- vv it was more of an example, but the moral of the story is that industrial/nu-metal/whateverthefuckpeoplesaymansonmakes kills children. that's the important thing.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #82 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 14:09 »

Just because, you know, I like bringing this point up, did you know neither of the Columbine shooters actually owned a single Manson album, or ever expressed a liking for him? Their favourite bands were actually KMFDM and Rammstein, (they quoted the lyrics to 'Son of a Gun' and 'Weisses Fleisch' in direct reference to the shooting, hideously misinterpreting both). No one is actually quite sure when Manson was introduced. I saw one paranoid fucker suggest it was a mind-control meme...

So, er, hip hop...

...I know this is a real long shot, but has anyone got any Rare Form tracks? The fucker deleted his myspace. 'Death to the World' was maybe the only hip-hop (Well, apocalyp-hop...) song I've ever managed to develop any serious affection for.

MilkmanDan · « **Reply #83 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 15:03 »

When Gangster Hip-Hop goes good:

Wu-Tang Clan. And solo stuff. 36 Chambers, Liquid Swords, Only built 4 Cuban Linx at the very least.
Mobb Deep - The Infamous. GOD DAMN.
Black Moon
Smif n Wessun

Some of the best Hip-Hop albums ever.

Given that there are pretty extensive lists already, I'll just rep some local shit. UK Hip-Hop is pretty damn awesome.
Jehst, Lowkey, Taskforce, Klashnekoff, Phi Life Cypher, Brain Tax, Skinny Man. All good.

Given the Crunk and Gangster hate, this is a long shot, but does anyone listen to Grime? It's 99.9% violence and drugs and stuff, and the lyrical complexity is... low. But the energy! Oh. Not the best home listening, but nuts in a dance.

PrinceMyshkin · « **Reply #84 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 17:06 »

Man, you forgot N.W.A! Straight Outta Compton is easily, in my book at least, one of the greatest albums ever made, right up there with Pet Sounds.

And grime? Hell yeah! I know he's not exactly it, but god I love Dizee Rascal. FIX UP LOOK SHARP.

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #85 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 17:11 »

i have to say, i usually cue up "Still" by the Geto Boys whenever i'm feeling particularly misanthropic.

BACK UP IN YOUR ASS WITH THE RESURRECTION.

PrinceMyshkin · « **Reply #86 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 17:12 »

damn it feels good to be a gangsta...

PhunkieBehaveYer · « **Reply #87 on:** 25 Apr 2006, 22:31 »

I kinda like Jurassic 5.

By that I mean, I like J5 a lot, but I'm sort of embarrassed to admit. It seems like people who know a lot about rap kinda look down on that kind of "backpacker shit." I dunno, I still like to listen to it.

MilkmanDan · « **Reply #88 on:** 26 Apr 2006, 07:59 »

No doubt, NWA and Geto Boys are pretty much awesome, but I... I don't know really, should have put them on my lil list.
Dizzee is Grime, but it's true that he is kinda different to most of it. Man got skillz though, no doubt about it. Newham Generals are on his label, they got an album called 'generally speaking' out in a while, should be heavy.

beat mouse · « **Reply #89 on:** 26 Apr 2006, 11:03 »

Necro & Ill Bill are pretty awesome and listen to grindgore and shit like that. Street Villains Vol 1. is worth checking out. Though he has a lisp, which can be distracting.

and I didnt really know there was much J5 hate out there, weird. I dig em, but don't actively spin em every day.

Ghostwriter · « **Reply #90 on:** 26 Apr 2006, 11:28 »

RJD2 is awesome beyond belief. I also like some Deltron. I really do need to get into hip-hop more, though.

Quote

DJ Shadow - Endtroducing (one of my favourite albums of all time, in any genre)

YES.

PrinceMyshkin · « **Reply #91 on:** 26 Apr 2006, 22:58 »

one more thing about gangsta rap- est. earlier mentioned Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, considered the godfathers of political rap. Gangsta rap has at times (while certainly not always) has taken this mantle of political rap after it destroyed it via N.W.A and Dr. Dre (although they both advocated for political reasons on a rare occasion, these guys are as nihilist as Nietzsche). Here I'm mainly thinking of the greatest rapper of all time- 2PAC. There's a reason his stuff is used in poetry class- it's amazing. I would HIGHLY recommend "Brenda's Got A Baby" and "Wonder Why They Call You Bitch". Listen and be amazed.

beat mouse · « **Reply #92 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 02:21 »

I will never under any light enjoy Tupac's music =/

PrinceMyshkin · « **Reply #93 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 10:10 »

Man, stop drinking all that Haterade. Give me one good reason why you won't listen to Pac.

MilkmanDan · « **Reply #94 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 11:42 »

Because Pac is wack?
Notorious BIG 4 lyfe, yo. In that particular feud anyway. Generally East Coast 4 lyfe, in fact. Or Dirty Sowf.

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Oh, and one good serious reason? I just really don't like ANY of his songs. I've heard a fair few as well. I've really tried.

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909 Posts, motherbitches!

Thrillho · « **Reply #95 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 13:49 »

You gotta hand it to a guy who's more prolific posthumously than most people are that are still alive.

PrinceMyshkin · « **Reply #96 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 14:57 »

EDIT: Okay I tried to post a picture but I don't really know what I'm doing. So just to sum up WEST SIDE FOR LIFE.

Also, I think we all know that Tupac is in a better place now. And by better place I mean CUBA!

Biggie has amazing flow, but better than Pac? Absolutely not. Listen to Ready to Die and then listen to All Eyez on Me. You'll see.

JLM · « **Reply #97 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 18:31 »

I've been diggin on some Lightheaded lately. They're not bad, but I'm more partial to the East Coast/New York style.

Any of you heard Out the Gate by DC and Termanology? Production wise it's pretty good. Termanology isn't a great rapper though, and by "not a great rapper" I mean "makes Kanye West look like Rakim."

Johnny C · « **Reply #98 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 19:07 »

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and if you listen to the rest of the album (I put secret house as my best of 05)

Totally bought it. And saw him at the Regina Folk Fest. I'm not trying to be a dick here either, but I have listened to old Buck and new Buck. I know it's different from the Centaur and it's not traditional hip-hop but it's still light-years seperate from Woody Guthrie-esque talking blues (which is what Buck professes to idolize). The scratches in "Road House Blues"? The stomping chorus of "Blanc-Bec"? The entire song "Kennedy Killed The Hat"? The coda of "The Floor"? Hip-hop, mang.

EDIT: Also, I disagree with your assessment of "Drawing Curtains" as being not even close to hip-hop. I don't know what you would classify it as if not as hip-hop; avant-garde, jazz-informed hip-hop, but hip-hop nonetheless.

But, this is off-topic and I don't want to start an unneccessary battle with someone who clearly knows his stuff about the hip-hop rap. So, on topic, did I mention Jay-Z is deadly? Also, for pure everything-wrong-with-rap check out Straight Outta Motherfuckin' Compton (I think that's how it's spelled) by Eazy-E. "Fuck My Baby's Momma," with a twenty second shout of "you biiiiiiiiiiiiiitch" is easily the misogynistic highlight.

Oh, and I like me some crunk and grime in small, dance-related doses. YYYYEAH!

thermodynamics · « **Reply #99 on:** 27 Apr 2006, 20:25 »

Quote from: est

(Dre can go fuck himself, though)

Dre is a badass producer. don't like a man cause he makes some money going commercial? o well.

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