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« Reply #700 on: 04 Jan 2008, 09:09 »

So I lied about covering Ted Leo when I finally got the chance to record with my delay pedal. Sue me.
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« Reply #701 on: 04 Jan 2008, 12:59 »

while i still have it i'm going to make a voicemail greeting of pinch harmonics

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« Reply #702 on: 04 Jan 2008, 22:08 »

So I lied about covering Ted Leo when I finally got the chance to record with my delay pedal. Sue me.

Nice.
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« Reply #703 on: 05 Jan 2008, 01:29 »

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« Reply #704 on: 05 Jan 2008, 08:57 »

Much to the non-delight of Patrick, winter NAMM is coming in two weeks. Ampeg have already announced that they're going to sell moderately priced, wood-based Dan Armstrong models, complete with switchable pickups.

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« Reply #705 on: 05 Jan 2008, 17:47 »

It's not so much non-delight at a gearhead circlejerk, it's non-delight at the fact that I am fucking poor.

EDIT: Also guys dig this shit. So I shipped my busted-up SG back to Gibson for warranty repair/replacement, right? I paid for delivery confirmation. Been looking back now and then to see if it has even gotten to Gibson, and no go.

So about a day and a half ago, I get an email from my dad saying he's got the guitar back, and he's like "Do you want me to open it for you to see how it is?" I'm like "YAYAYAYA PLZ!" So he opens the package up, and... no SG.

Went back to the tracking thing on the USPS website and I still had the following notice:

"Your item was accepted at 12:44 PM on December 17, 2007 in LIVERMORE, CA 94550. No further information is available for this item."

tl;dr they lost my shit, and if I don't have my SG at my dad's house within a week, I'm filing the insurance claim. I bought $700 worth of insurance in one package, so as to cover both the guitar and the expensive-ass case, and so with the insurance money I am going to buy myself an Epiphone Sheraton II.
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« Reply #706 on: 07 Jan 2008, 02:09 »

Bump for update on my SG situation.
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« Reply #707 on: 07 Jan 2008, 02:40 »

Thats pretty fucking ridiculous on the postal services part.  What's the Shereaton II like. Looks a bit like an ES 335.
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« Reply #708 on: 07 Jan 2008, 06:42 »

Wait dogg, they're not paying you the full value of what they lost if you bought that big an assload of insurance?

Good to hear that you're getting something out of it finally, though.
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« Reply #709 on: 07 Jan 2008, 07:39 »

Well, the guitar was $550 and the case set me back another hundred, so I rounded it up to the next hundred and insured that much. I'm covered, I'm gonna have a guitar again, and this time the headstock angle isn't the ridiculous 17, it's more like 10.

Also, as I've told Shane via MSN, it is going to be damn nice to be able to get such strong body-vibe feedback that it's impossible to read the volume and tone knobs.
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« Reply #710 on: 07 Jan 2008, 07:45 »

And I thought I was obsessed with feedback...
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« Reply #711 on: 07 Jan 2008, 07:51 »

.. that's what she said!

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« Reply #712 on: 08 Jan 2008, 03:35 »

Feedback is great. Magnetic Fields just released an album composed of feedback.

I personally have made several collages out of feedback.

Once I set up a panning and tremelo effect or some shit, it was a preset on a pedal, and I left my guitar feeding back. It meant the feedback moved side to side, and in rhythm, and it changed shape. It was AWESOME. So I ran to the next room, set my organ playing on orto so it had this swelling note coming up and down, and then I stood in the doorway between the two rooms playing acoustic guitar over it.

I did this for like, half an hour to an hour. I lost track of time. But it was GREAT.
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« Reply #713 on: 08 Jan 2008, 11:37 »

Yeah, I guess feedback can be fun, but go ahead and call me a dick pre-emptively, for I have only this to say:

Aren't you supposed to actually play the damn thing?! I've always thought that was what you did with a guitar.
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« Reply #714 on: 08 Jan 2008, 12:51 »

Some of us do ;)

Nah, I mean, I use feedback like Hendrix did. It's good to have feedback that you can get easily, but still keep under control. Gives you a different means of expression. Some people, such as our darling Gaz here, use it in different ways from how I do it.
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« Reply #715 on: 08 Jan 2008, 13:13 »

Oh, okay. That's the kind of stuff i occasionally use myself. It is pretty rare though, that I run out of sustain.
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« Reply #716 on: 08 Jan 2008, 13:29 »

Of course you're supposed to play guitars. But I'm at this weird point as a musician where I do allsorts of weird shit to my instruments - anything except put them through effects - to obtain the sound I want. I hope one day to be able to form a metal band and use my lap steel, because you can get some great riffs on that mutha.

Feedback is just another sound, and sound can be used to make music.

I forget where it's from, but there's some song I have somewhere where there's a sample of some guy saying 'you see, we are scientists of sound.'

That's a delightfully pretentious - and sadly appropriate - way of putting it...

Oh yeah, it's from the introduction to some Radio One show.
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« Reply #717 on: 08 Jan 2008, 13:32 »

I saw a swedish hardcore/sorta-grindcore band called Crowpath last year, and the guitarist used a Lap Steel. I nearly shat my pants with joy at the mere thought of it, but the sound at the venue was horrible so it turned into total mush just like the guitar :(

I imagine it's really cool on record, though.
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« Reply #718 on: 08 Jan 2008, 13:45 »

Lummer made me wonder something with that mahogany body comment. Is there a website that describes the kinds of tones that different tonewoods give?
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« Reply #720 on: 08 Jan 2008, 14:28 »

Ah, thanks a lot.
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« Reply #721 on: 08 Jan 2008, 16:34 »

I'm looking to get into guitar (having played classical piano, other instruments for past 9 years or so), and I want to get an electric. What's the best value i can get for 500$ or less? I was thinking about just buying an entry level strat, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions?
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« Reply #722 on: 08 Jan 2008, 16:48 »

What do you want to play? A used tele would be good because they're pretty versatile, but a cheap ESP or lower end Ibanez RG isn't bad either if you like metal. I'm a massive newb compared to most here though, so don't mind me too much.
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« Reply #723 on: 08 Jan 2008, 16:56 »

I'm looking to get into guitar (having played classical piano, other instruments for past 9 years or so), and I want to get an electric. What's the best value i can get for 500$ or less? I was thinking about just buying an entry level strat, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

I'm a big fan of Godin's budget line. Ridiculous quality, American/Canadian made. You can pick up a used Exit-22 that will blow away basically anything else in that price range.

Schecter also makes really good cheap guitars.

In general, stay away from cheap guitars with Floyds. That includes a lot of cheap Ibanez stuff, but they have so many models I'd have to go look at specific ones to know what has who.

PRS SE series can also be killer on the cheap, if you're into those.
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« Reply #724 on: 08 Jan 2008, 17:06 »

My friend got a cheap cort and it is great value for money cost about the 200 quid range. I think it was the cort x5 but could've been the x2, it's a great guitar anyway.
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« Reply #725 on: 08 Jan 2008, 17:21 »

[In general, stay away from cheap guitars with Floyds. That includes a lot of cheap Ibanez stuff, but they have so many models I'd have to go look at specific ones to know what has who.


Oh god, I'm an idiot; I forgot about that for a second. Uh, yeah, the Ibanez Edge Pro bridge is good, as is a used guitar with a Lo Pro. The Edge Pro II? Not so much, and the III is worse. I have a guitar with the Edge Pro II, and I personally love it enough not to particularly care, but then, I'm comfortable with the idea of having to replace the edge plate in it, which is something I'm sure most people would just rather not have to worry about.
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« Reply #726 on: 08 Jan 2008, 17:23 »

I have no idea what bridge is in my fancy-pants Prestige 7-string, but it works just as well as the original Floyd my old Jackson had on it.
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« Reply #727 on: 08 Jan 2008, 17:31 »

Oh god, I'm an idiot; I forgot about that for a second. Uh, yeah, the Ibanez Edge Pro bridge is good, as is a used guitar with a Lo Pro. The Edge Pro II? Not so much, and the III is worse. I have a guitar with the Edge Pro II, and I personally love it enough not to particularly care, but then, I'm comfortable with the idea of having to replace the edge plate in it, which is something I'm sure most people would just rather not have to worry about.

Hey, as long as it's not a lo-TRS.  :cry:

I have no idea what bridge is in my fancy-pants Prestige 7-string, but it works just as well as the original Floyd my old Jackson had on it.

If it was made after 2003 ( I believe) it's got either an Edge III or some kind of ZR. The Edge I and II are pretty nice, and I actually really like the ZR. I don't really know much about the IIIs.

The big issue with the TRS trems was the goddamn knife edges would wear out, and they weren't replaceable. The better quality trems use hardened steel that lasts a lot longer, and some of them have replaceable knife edges. The ZR is rad because it uses a bearing pivot so you don't have to worry about the knife edges getting dull.

To tell the truth though, Ibanez has way too many models of everything for me to really keep track of everything.
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« Reply #728 on: 08 Jan 2008, 17:50 »

I'm under the impression that the Edge II & III is basically code for a cheaper Edge Pro (as far as I'm aware all three are still being made). If it's a Prestige S I think it's supposed to have the zero resistance and if it's not an Prestige S it should have the Edge Pro I. And yeah, none of them are as bad as the TRS, which as 12-tone said, isn't replaceable. Since TRS equipped guitars are all used these days, that means they basically spell certain doom. :P

But uh, yeah, other than that, I love Ibanez! A lot of people are just picky because for a long time great trems was basically what the Ibanez experience was all about, and the TRS really kind of hurt them in that area.
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« Reply #729 on: 08 Jan 2008, 17:52 »

I looked it up, it's an "Edge Pro 7." So it's pretty good I guess!
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« Reply #730 on: 08 Jan 2008, 17:58 »

Oh, trust me, there was never any question whether or not your guitar was made of win or not. The guys at Ibanez definitely aren't stupid enough to make a shit Prestige; the TRS and its successor the Edge Pro III (which, after checking, has replaceable knife edges, so should be just fine, if not as sexy as the Edge Pro) exist only because putting a $250-300 trem in a $350 guitar isn't exactly great business sense.
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« Reply #731 on: 08 Jan 2008, 18:02 »

Oh, trust me, there was never any question whether or not your guitar was made of win or not. The guys at Ibaneze definitely aren't stupid enough to make a shit Prestige; the TRS and its successor the Edge Pro III (which, after checking, has replaceable knife edges, so should be just fine, if not as sexy as the Edge Pro) exist only because putting a $250-300 trem in a $350 guitar isn't exactly great business sense.

I stand corrected on the Edge I/II/III thing! I was under the impression that it had something to do with Floyd licensing issues.
I wonder if you can find good hardened-steel replacement knife edges for the Edge III. . .

And yeah, if it's a Prestige that pretty much means it's top-notch.
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« Reply #732 on: 08 Jan 2008, 18:11 »

I think it was a bit of both, actually; I'm pretty certain they got out from under the Floyd Rose license issue with the Edge II to save money and then compounded it by replacing it with a fairly cheap trem for even greater profit. BTW, I didn't mean to imply that the Edge Pro III is actually related to the TRS in design, I just meant it's taking the TRS's place as the low end option for Ibanez guitars. Sorry for any confusion and bear in mind that I'm an idiot and could still very well be wrong.

Anyway, if you get an ibanez it's probably best to just get a used one with a regular Edge Pro or just a good ol' fixed bridge if you don't plan on dive bombing like a maniac.
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« Reply #733 on: 08 Jan 2008, 18:14 »

What about an epiphone les paul?
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« Reply #734 on: 08 Jan 2008, 19:19 »

My friend got a cheap cort and it is great value for money cost about the 200 quid range. I think it was the cort x5 but could've been the x2, it's a great guitar anyway.

I can vouch for Cort too, I've got a Cort EVL Z-6 as my 'metal guitar'. I paid $700 for it, and it's comparable to a $2000 ESP / LTD. I have seen nothing but quality from what I've seen of their lineup so far.
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« Reply #735 on: 08 Jan 2008, 20:19 »

Guys I'm really happy because I finally got my Dano back, but the bad news is within the next year it will probably need some work.  Some of the lower frets are very worn, and I might need to get them replaced.  I also probably need to get a new bridge, as the stock one is almost shot.  I'm thinking I'll go for the slighty more expensive Dano bridge which is for the U3, but looks like it should fit the U1 also.  It has individual adjustable saddles for each string, as opposed to one large rosewood saddle on the stock U1 bridge.
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« Reply #736 on: 09 Jan 2008, 01:48 »


Hey, as long as it's not a lo-TRS.  :cry:


I hear ya... I have that trem on my 7-string, and god does it suck all kinds of ass. Any kind of use would the low B, and ONLY the low B go crazy out of tune.
It works pretty good as a fixed bridge though.
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« Reply #737 on: 09 Jan 2008, 04:55 »

Where has this idea that Teles suck for metal come from? I used exclusively Teles, mostly my Custom, in my metal band before we split and it sounded great.
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« Reply #738 on: 09 Jan 2008, 05:08 »

Yeah i've got a custom tele as well and if you put it on the humbucker and pile the distortion on it sounds brilliant.
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« Reply #739 on: 09 Jan 2008, 05:10 »

I once saw a metal band whose guitarist had a neat Telecaster with dual humbuckers that sounded pretty bad assin'.
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« Reply #740 on: 09 Jan 2008, 06:16 »

What about an epiphone les paul?

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« Reply #741 on: 09 Jan 2008, 06:29 »

What about an epiphone les paul?

Switch the pickups out and it could be decent. I'm thinking about doing that with a plaintop Standard.
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« Reply #742 on: 09 Jan 2008, 07:52 »

Where has this idea that Teles suck for metal come from? I used exclusively Teles, mostly my Custom, in my metal band before we split and it sounded great.

As long as it has a humbucker, it won't suck.

If it's a completely standard tele with singles... It will. Bad.
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« Reply #743 on: 09 Jan 2008, 08:09 »

I always thought that Epiphones were bullshit 'budget' models. For the price of some of the Epiphones, you could get a Fender, not Squier, Telecaster.
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« Reply #744 on: 09 Jan 2008, 08:11 »

Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.
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« Reply #745 on: 09 Jan 2008, 08:21 »

I think epiphones are pretty good. My friend got an eiphone les paul and it sounds really good, i also tried an epiphone and a gibson les paul out side by side in a music shop and i liked the sound of the epiphone a lot more.
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« Reply #746 on: 09 Jan 2008, 08:27 »

I am calling shenanigans. Better than a Gibson?

That said, I heart my Epi Firebird.
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« Reply #747 on: 09 Jan 2008, 08:28 »

The hell? That's really weird. Was the Gibson set up properly?
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« Reply #748 on: 09 Jan 2008, 08:33 »

Dunno should have been if it was in a guitar store, i definitely remember the epiphone sounding better.
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Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #749 on: 09 Jan 2008, 08:35 »

Scary fact: Squier's been getting pretty decent lately.

Yup, I use Squiers all the time...

As for Epiphones sounding better, 'better' is in the ear of the beholder, and wood is inconsistent as a material, so it's entirely possible.
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