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« Reply #1250 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:05 »

... an MG? I applaud you for getting such an agreeable tone.

Wicked under-rated amps. I love my MG-15CDR.
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« Reply #1251 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:08 »

What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.
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« Reply #1252 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:13 »

What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

QFT..

I also thought my MG15CDR sounded good until I tried something else.

Boy, was I wrong.
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« Reply #1253 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:15 »

What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

I'll admit it's nowhere near the Hot Rod Deluxe I've played at my local shop, but it gets the job done for me.

My other amp is a shitty Peavey 15 watt thing. I'd asked my parents for an Epi Valve Junior for christmas, and my dad, drummer he is, thinks "it's solid state, but it's got more tone control! Hell yes!". I use it for my noise records.
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« Reply #1254 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:22 »

I know he's your dad and everything and you love him and all, but I'll say this:

Don't ever trust a drummer with a task more complicated than hitting stuff with sticks. It will go wrong.
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« Reply #1255 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:22 »

I want a Hot Rod Deluxe so bad.   :cry:

When I have a spare two hundred dollars, I'm going to trade the amp I have now in, and pay the difference for one.
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« Reply #1256 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:28 »

I know he's your dad and everything and you love him and all, but I'll say this:

Don't ever trust a drummer with a task more complicated than hitting stuff with sticks. It will go wrong.

He keeps pushing Ibanez on me, as well. Dude. I want to get a Fender, or a Dano or something along that line. I can't stand Ibanez.
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« Reply #1257 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:32 »

Guitars or amps?!

You really should try the Ibanez Valbee practice amp, if given the opportunity. I've had mine for about a month and I am very pleased with it, since it has a lot more tonal options than your average tiny tube combo. The tone is also really, really nice.

That said, if you don't want your guitars to be total metal shredder-machines, try and check out their Artcore line. Lots of really nice Jazzboxes and semi-hollows at dirt cheap prices.
Yes, I am an Ibanez whore. I love my S7420 to death, just so you know.
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« Reply #1258 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:35 »

The guitars. I think it mainly is the aesthetics, and the whole metalcore/shredding vibe the company gives off. It's kinda the same thing that tends to turn me away from ESP (though I could swear Jonsi was playing a Viper on "Heysatan", in Heima)
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« Reply #1259 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:36 »

The Ibanez SZ series is also great. They're more hard-rock geared than metal. Thicker necks, 22 frets, fuller bodies, ect.
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« Reply #1260 on: 15 Feb 2008, 05:44 »

The guitars. I think it mainly is the aesthetics, and the whole metalcore/shredding vibe the company gives off. It's kinda the same thing that tends to turn me away from ESP (though I could swear Jonsi was playing a Viper on "Heysatan", in Heima)

That's true, but it's because that stuff is trendy and sells boatloads nowadays. They still do put out some really cool rock guitars though, like the SZ series. They also put out these things this year:




This is a reissue, though..





But then again, they also did put out this one:

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« Reply #1261 on: 15 Feb 2008, 07:43 »

What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.

Now, if you were to say my microphone sounds like crap, I would definitely agree with you.
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« Reply #1262 on: 15 Feb 2008, 08:15 »

What other amps have you tried? Most amps will sound good until you've compared them to some other offerings.

Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.


..but it still isn't better, which is why we, or at least I, will continue to chastise you for still owning it.
Another factor is also that you've learned to dial in the best tone you can with the MG, while you probably hadn't gotten to know the other amps quite as well.
It took me a few weeks of owning it to get the perfect ROKK tone out of my Laney, but when it clicked for me, it clicked HARD!

Come to think of it, a Laney VC15 might be just right for you. It's basically just a good, all-tube combo that can be used for pretty much anything, and they're dirt cheap as well.
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« Reply #1263 on: 15 Feb 2008, 08:35 »

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Those ARXs are beautiful. Why do I keep looking at guitars when I still have so far to go to be able to afford one?
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« Reply #1264 on: 15 Feb 2008, 08:50 »

Dude, I've played a vintage Fender Deluxe and a vintage Vox AC30 and I still think my MG puts up damn stiff competition.

Another factor is also that you've learned to dial in the best tone you can with the MG

Not true in these two cases, actually. For those two samples I was pretty well out of my usual area. I'm used to dialing my own unique tone in for most of my original stuff, but for that rockabilly ditty I hadn't quite got it perfect! As for the punked-out Snow Patrol cover, that's more distortion than I ever use normally, and I didn't bother adjusting EQ settings.
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« Reply #1265 on: 15 Feb 2008, 09:05 »

OK, can I hear "your" tone then?!

You may still have done the impossible and gotten it to sound decent, for all I know.
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« Reply #1266 on: 15 Feb 2008, 09:53 »

Okay, dig the AR300. But $3000? Christfucks!
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« Reply #1267 on: 15 Feb 2008, 09:55 »

The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.

Except for:

1. I like a single coil distorted tone and have seen it used, heard it used, and used it myself successfully in the past, with different guitars. I have no problem with single coils being weaker than humbuckers - I have a problem with them being weaker than a mewing kitten.
2. They are used extensively by noise-rock bands and the likes of At The Drive-In, and have a wammy bar. These are things I can put to good use.
3. Single coil sounds cut.
4. I can use it for other things as well as this, whereas the Tele I currently can't use for ANYTHING.
5. I'm ruminating on a Jagstang, because they have a humbucker in the bridge (ironic that they don't come in fucking left handed! Not that I'm a lefty, but Kurt was...) and a single coil in the neck, which is a config I've always liked.

I think the decision has been made that I'll sell the Tele, it's basically about what I buy instead.
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« Reply #1268 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:01 »

There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.
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« Reply #1269 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:11 »

Mmkay, here is all my guitar schmick, excepting acousticness.

DISCLAIMER: I am not actually a Vai whore. It only looks that way.

So first off, here are the guitars.

Epi LP, which has been re-jiggered to death. Tailpiece, tuners, pickups, tone/volume pots, wiring etc. are all new from when I bought it used four years ago. The new pickups are a Seymour Duncan JB and a Lace Transbucker. It's great, sounds really fat and powerful.

And my baby, the JEM7V. No mods, no nothing. It was pretty amazing right out of the box when I ordered it from Ibanez. (No one in this city ever has these things just in stock.) The pickups are tight, hot and articulate. The neck is super-speedy and wide - great for pretty much anything you throw at it. Trem is awesome, never have tuning problems with it no matter how goofy I get. And the monkey grip is just fun.



Next up, amplifier! It's a Carvin Legacy, sounds basically like a hot-rodded JCM800, but with a much better clean sound - and dirty as well, imo. Switchable 50/100w, EL34/12AX7, blah blah blah. It's not a metal amplifier, but it has great thick sustain and a really crunchy Marshally tone. The clean channel is either fat as can be without the presence (great for jazzy stuff) or almost Fender-ish with the presence kicked in. I was pleasantly surprised at the wide range of tones available from this amp, and that it's not at all Vai-in-a-box.

Also, it's LOUD. Holy Jesus is this thing loud. I'm running it through a 2x12 and it can practically peel paint off the walls at four.



Finally, pedals.

The Silver Dragon I never use since getting the Legacy, just don't need it. The gain levels are too huge to use before the gain channel, and the sound into the clean channel is mediocre. So it just sits there looking pretty.

The Boss OD-3 is what I use into the amp's dirty channel. Level all the way up, gain all the way down. It keeps the character of the amp's distortion intact but adds punch and a tiny bit of dirt on the palm muted stuff. It's a great pedal, doesn't do everything but it does what I need it to do.

The MXR Phase 90 is a script logo, so it's supposed to be the "vintage throwback." It sounds fun, really swooshy and great for clean stuff. And it's nice to be able to ape Van Halen once in a while. And it doesn't have that nasty clipping problem that the block logo ones are so well known for, which is a definite plus.

The Boss Flanger is for 80s solos and fat clean stuff. I use it occasionally on clean chimey stuff, or when playing Bark at the Moon or any Ratt/Dokken ever.

Finally, the Boss Delay. I am a delay slut, so having this is lovely. It sounds nice, no complaints.

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« Reply #1270 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:25 »

There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

COUGH

COUGH

Seriously, wtf with the Musiclander/Swinger. Why destroy a perfectly good Musicmaster?
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« Reply #1271 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:29 »

I'd play a Swinger.

And the Venus was made by Squier.
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« Reply #1273 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:08 »

SEX


Dude, I want that amp.

Lurk Carvin's eBay store. The one I got is a blem - it had a couple of superficial scratches that had to be pointed out to me. But those scratches coupled with it being factory direct from Carvin meant that I got it for $635 CDN (on Buy It Now, no less!) and shipped out within a week for a grand total of just over $700.
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« Reply #1274 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:11 »

Shiat, that's cheap.

However, I'll settle for my Laney. It's still a damned good amp, though not very versatile.
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« Reply #1275 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:24 »

There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

1. I disagree.
2. Looks ain't everything.
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« Reply #1276 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:42 »

NM... me and a mate of mine traded guitars a while back and liked each others' guitars... turns out we both want to get rid of 'em!

It's got no wammy, but it's got 'buckers and will do the job. Clean tone's a bit shit, but that's no worry because this is mainly a backup guitar anyway - and I have my butchered Yammy for doing that kinda thing.
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« Reply #1277 on: 15 Feb 2008, 12:40 »

Meh, I had to send a Carvin bass guitar back TWICE. It took them months to fix it. Right about that time the bass cabinet I bought crapped out. They tried to tell me I underpowered it. With an ampeg SVT4Pro? I don't think so. My PA is all Carvin cabs, power amp. But when this stuff breaks I'll save my money and buy another brand. I think the company has some great products but their quality and customer service has really fallen off.
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« Reply #1278 on: 15 Feb 2008, 13:18 »

Yeah, I never have bothered with Carvin's service. I just have a tech that I take my stuff to when it needs work.
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« Reply #1279 on: 15 Feb 2008, 13:34 »

In December 2005 I sent a money order to Carvin for an A/B footswitch (I didn't have a credit/check card then). Several months later, it finally makes its way to my house.

Is this just the nature of money orders, or were they completely fucking lax about this?

Back when Carvin used to sell effects, there was an enormous brouhaha about their shitty wah pedal. I'm sure the review's still on Harmony-Central.
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« Reply #1280 on: 15 Feb 2008, 14:34 »

The question is - should I sell it? It has no practical use, only sentimental value; and if nothing else, it may teach me that I never want to sell one of my guitars again, but I know I'll barely use it.

I want to replace it with a Jaguar...

That's up to you, depends how much sentimental attachment you have to it. You know, a Jaguar won't be much use in a metal band either, unless you're just using it for the clean bits or it's one of those with humbuckers.

Except for:

1. I like a single coil distorted tone and have seen it used, heard it used, and used it myself successfully in the past, with different guitars. I have no problem with single coils being weaker than humbuckers - I have a problem with them being weaker than a mewing kitten.
2. They are used extensively by noise-rock bands and the likes of At The Drive-In, and have a wammy bar. These are things I can put to good use.
3. Single coil sounds cut.
4. I can use it for other things as well as this, whereas the Tele I currently can't use for ANYTHING.
5. I'm ruminating on a Jagstang, because they have a humbucker in the bridge (ironic that they don't come in fucking left handed! Not that I'm a lefty, but Kurt was...) and a single coil in the neck, which is a config I've always liked.

I think the decision has been made that I'll sell the Tele, it's basically about what I buy instead.

Well if you've thought about it, then you should definitely go for it, cause Jaguars are awesome :D What guitar did you get from your friend?

There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

COUGH
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Seriously, wtf with the Musiclander/Swinger. Why destroy a perfectly good Musicmaster?

I actually like the Venus a lot. The Swinger/Musiclander's body is a cut up unused Bass V body. The other parts are Musicmaster...
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« Reply #1281 on: 15 Feb 2008, 15:50 »

There is not an uglier Fender than the Jagstang.

Is there an unwritten law somewhere that we have to bring up the Gibson Moderne every certain number of pages?
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« Reply #1282 on: 15 Feb 2008, 15:51 »

That isn't a fender though. Otherwise I think the wangcaster would win.
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« Reply #1283 on: 15 Feb 2008, 15:53 »

Oh shit I completely missed the Fender part..
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« Reply #1284 on: 15 Feb 2008, 17:40 »

I think the Gibson Corvus wins the Ugliest Guitar award.  That is, for non-custom guitars like the Wangcaster.
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« Reply #1285 on: 15 Feb 2008, 17:45 »

Guys I have to confess that I quite like the body shape of the Moderne, and I'm not entirely sure why it gets so much shit. There are a lot worse out there. The headstock is absolute ass though.

Someone a while back mentioned Eastwood guitars. How can anyone say the Moderne is ugly when there are things like this for sale?:









They look like they were designed by a five-year-old who had once been told what a guitar looked like, but had never seen one.
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« Reply #1286 on: 15 Feb 2008, 17:49 »

Those guitars make me regret having eyes.
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« Reply #1287 on: 15 Feb 2008, 17:54 »

The hummingbird looks like it is one of the ones that looks ugly until you get used to it.
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« Reply #1288 on: 15 Feb 2008, 18:06 »

The Hummingbird is gorgeous.
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« Reply #1289 on: 15 Feb 2008, 18:14 »

That Airline looks like the kinda guitar which is so ugly I want one, like that Burns strat-a-like.
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« Reply #1290 on: 15 Feb 2008, 18:16 »

The hummingbird is disgusting.
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« Reply #1291 on: 15 Feb 2008, 18:54 »

The hummingbird is better than the rest, but that is a terrible color and the wonky humbucker is ugly as hell.
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« Reply #1292 on: 15 Feb 2008, 19:08 »

I think we can at least all agree that the Rocket is the worst one there.

It needs to return to bass hell from whence it came.
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« Reply #1293 on: 15 Feb 2008, 19:10 »

I have no problem with the hummingbird. The color wouldn't be my first choice but I've seen a helluva lot worse.
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« Reply #1294 on: 15 Feb 2008, 21:40 »

Oh shit.  I thought we were talking about the Gibson Hummingbird.



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« Reply #1295 on: 15 Feb 2008, 22:21 »

We are, that guitar is hideous. It's not even worthy be contained in the same thread as that beautiful Airline.

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Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #1296 on: 15 Feb 2008, 23:07 »

my jaguar owns all... it will make you cry tears of joy due to its pure beuaty and it's giant balls that some call tone.
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Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #1297 on: 15 Feb 2008, 23:40 »

Someone a while back mentioned Eastwood guitars. How can anyone say the Moderne is ugly when there are things like this for sale?

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Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #1298 on: 16 Feb 2008, 00:44 »

Got an EH 2880 Wednesday.  Very fun little time machine, though I think it startled the rest of my band.

Saw an SG I want today, but I think it's more nostalgia and the fact that it'd play decently flipped over than being anything special...  Maybe when I have a few extra hundred bucks. 
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Re: The Guitar Topic
« Reply #1299 on: 16 Feb 2008, 06:54 »

It's not Eastwood's fault. They're just making vintage reproductions. There was some strange looking shit back in the day.

Of course, they make some stunningly nice guitars, too. I <33 Eastwood.



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