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Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« on: 09 Feb 2008, 22:14 »

http://www.nme.com/news/godspeed-you-black-emperor/34219

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He continued: "We could talk to people after the shows, or we could make announcements from the stage, but so much what Godspeed was, was one-way communication, and I had an existential freakout about that, that those tactics aren't valid anymore.

"People didn't need a rock band pointing in the direction of (how the world was at that point). Maybe what they needed is some clumsy words, a presentation that was a little more human."

But Menuck hinted that personal issues between the members also played a part in the decision to split: "On a personal level I now find (Godspeed) to be inappropriate. There's a complicated back story. I reached a point whereby I was no longer willing to contribute to the steering of the ship; it was like, 'Okay now, someone else point the direction, I love you all, but I need to ride shotgun for a while'. I think that bands do have a short shelf life."
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #1 on: 09 Feb 2008, 22:18 »

 :cry:

'Twas a good run.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #2 on: 09 Feb 2008, 22:20 »

Well, shit.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #3 on: 09 Feb 2008, 22:30 »

Emphasis on the "officially." I think those less optimistic of us pretty much knew already.

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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #4 on: 09 Feb 2008, 23:02 »

Thank god Cosby, You! Black Entertainer has survived.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #5 on: 09 Feb 2008, 23:43 »

Godspeed, you "Cosby You! Black Entertainer" rock entertainers.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #6 on: 10 Feb 2008, 00:08 »

Emphasis on the "officially." I think those less optimistic of us pretty much knew already.

True. There was a tiny bit of hope, though.

I wish they would have recorded Albanian and Gamelan.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #7 on: 10 Feb 2008, 01:06 »

At least we still have A Silver Mt. Zion.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #8 on: 10 Feb 2008, 03:56 »

Emphasis on the "officially." I think those less optimistic of us pretty much knew already.

True. There was a tiny bit of hope, though.

True dat.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #9 on: 10 Feb 2008, 09:17 »

ya know, several members of godspeed are now in carla bozulich's new band 'evangelista' their first album was pretty good and i've heard great things about the forthcoming one
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #10 on: 10 Feb 2008, 10:40 »

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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #11 on: 10 Feb 2008, 10:58 »

I thought they were already dead and gone anyway.

Plus, I actually think A Silver Mount Zion is leagues better than most of the GYBE material.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #12 on: 10 Feb 2008, 11:01 »

I thought they had split years ago.

They had been on "hiatus" for a few years.

Pretty much everyone knew they were never ending that hiatus though. This is just a formality, I suppose.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #13 on: 10 Feb 2008, 11:06 »

I have to say I don't know how I would compare Silver Mt. Zion to Godspeed, considering Silver Mt. Zion's new album not really being post-rock too much. This isn't that sad though. The band had a good run years ago, and still does. I don't think it matters now that they've officially split. It's been said already on here, that even though there was some hope, we all knew the chances of another album. (Or maybe feared, depending on how much you liked the band.)
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #14 on: 10 Feb 2008, 12:19 »

Weren't Weezer on "hiatus" for a little bit?

Then again, they came back with Make Believe, so..uh...

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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #15 on: 10 Feb 2008, 13:33 »

Primus came back and made an EP... uh... Didn't Gang of Four get back together and rerecord an album not too long ago? I don't know if that was a hiatus.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #16 on: 10 Feb 2008, 14:07 »

I don't understand why anybody considers this especially bad news.  Aside from the first 10 minutes of Lift Yr. Skinny Fists... and "Moya", other bands have come along and done everything GY!BE did, and better.  And Silver Mt. Zion is just such a better band, especially considering their last two releases.

And anybody who knew anything about the members of the band knew that it was a miracle they ever put anything out at all when the "interpersonal issues" are taken into account.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #17 on: 10 Feb 2008, 14:09 »

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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #18 on: 10 Feb 2008, 17:48 »

i don't see why this is relevant, i mean, they haven't released any noteworthy material within the past six years, and Yanqui U.X.O. was trash... and the output of A Silver Mt. Zion is leagues above Godspeed's... if anything, this just means more ASMZ records to look forward to  :-D
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #19 on: 10 Feb 2008, 17:56 »

I dunno, maybe because they are the band that defined the post-rock genre?

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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #20 on: 10 Feb 2008, 18:49 »

Yanqui U.X.O. was trash...

Are you fucking kidding me?
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« Reply #21 on: 10 Feb 2008, 18:55 »

I don't feel like anyone is taking this news badly, except for maybe the OP (If you aren't, I'm sorry I said that.). This thread is really just a reason to wonder why they took so long to let the world know they aren't a band called Godspeed You! Black Emperor anymore. It's interesting that they took so long to finally agree that the band was done with. Were they milking the fans' collective hopes and dreams? Maybe!
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« Reply #22 on: 10 Feb 2008, 18:59 »

Can anyone think of a band that went on 'Hiatus' and actually returned? I need specific proof of the usage of this word to deem an answer as correct.

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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #23 on: 10 Feb 2008, 19:06 »

Yanqui U.X.O. was trash...

Are you fucking kidding me?


Well, I didn't like it. I felt it paled so much compared to all their previous efforts.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #24 on: 10 Feb 2008, 19:16 »

I don't feel like anyone is taking this news badly, except for maybe the OP (If you aren't, I'm sorry I said that.). This thread is really just a reason to wonder why they took so long to let the world know they aren't a band called Godspeed You! Black Emperor anymore. It's interesting that they took so long to finally agree that the band was done with. Were they milking the fans' collective hopes and dreams? Maybe!

Milking them to what end? If you've said your band is on hiatus then there's not much reason for you to go the next step and say you've split up. You won't be getting offers of gigs you have to keep turning down or anything like that since you've let it be known you aren't active for the moment. The only benefit to yourself would be to no longer be pestered with questions about whether you were coming back or not, and that balanced against cutting yourself off from the possibility of maybe doing something again probably isn't much of a gain.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #25 on: 10 Feb 2008, 19:33 »

Wghat, Yanqui UXO was the best GY!BE album.
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« Reply #26 on: 10 Feb 2008, 19:38 »

Milking them to what end? If you've said your band is on hiatus then there's not much reason for you to go the next step and say you've split up. You won't be getting offers of gigs you have to keep turning down or anything like that since you've let it be known you aren't active for the moment. The only benefit to yourself would be to no longer be pestered with questions about whether you were coming back or not, and that balanced against cutting yourself off from the possibility of maybe doing something again probably isn't much of a gain.

I think what I said was that they were being cruel and trying to keep their fans hoping for an end to hiatus. This statement was also not meant. It was supposed to be a joke, of sorts. Damn you, internets, for not letting me communicate the tone of my voice!
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #27 on: 10 Feb 2008, 19:44 »

I dunno, maybe because they are the band that defined the post-rock genre?

There is so much wrong with this sentence than I am not even going to start.
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« Reply #28 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:06 »

Okay so maybe it is a bit wrong, but I wouldn't say it's completely wrong. It gives absolutely no credit to the jazzy post-rock sound Tortoise created or the psychedelic sound that whatever band created, but they are still a pretty definitive band in my opinion. At least would it be reasonable to say they are the definitive crescendo based post-rock band? And that is a pretty big chunk of post-rock.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #29 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:12 »

I was gonna be all snide and post a link to that TWDY thread, but then I saw that you had posted in it numerous times.
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The thing is, you can't say "it's not completely wrong" about such a sweeping statement. They were influential, yes. But by no means could you defend the claim that they "defined the post-rock genre."

Edit: *facepalm* the difference between "can" and "can't" is fairly important.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #30 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:24 »

Well, okay, fair enough. I suppose I have no right to make such a sweeping statement either, since I am hardly an expert on any form of music. I have always thought of them as the defining post-rock band in my opinion though. There's just something about Godspeed that seems to sum up what post-rock is whenever I listen to it.

Perhaps Jackie was onto something with this subjective reality theory he brought up in environment/argument about god thread. 
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #31 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:30 »

There is so much wrong with this sentence than I am not even going to start.

aw...I am so glad you are back.  I missed little comments like this.  :)
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« Reply #32 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:36 »

aw...I am so glad you are back.  I missed little comments like this.  :)

I had whisky to drink, young lady.

It's not like you didn't get any of me over the weekend anyway.   :wink:
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« Reply #33 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:38 »

aw...I am so glad you are back.  I missed little comments like this.  :)

I had whisky to drink, young lady.

It's not like you didn't get any of me over the weekend anyway.   :wink:


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« Reply #34 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:38 »

Guys, I don't think it's exactly helpful to debate about "best" and "worst" albums in a band pretty much defined by mediocrity to begin with.

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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #35 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:42 »

My encyclopedic knowledge of the minutiae of Independent Music is failing me.

Can anyone think of a band that went on 'Hiatus' and actually returned? I need specific proof of the usage of this word to deem an answer as correct.

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« Reply #36 on: 10 Feb 2008, 20:45 »

Well, okay, fair enough. I suppose I have no right to make such a sweeping statement either, since I am hardly an expert on any form of music. I have always thought of them as the defining post-rock band in my opinion though. There's just something about Godspeed that seems to sum up what post-rock is whenever I listen to it. 

That is just because you are using the narrow definition of post-rock, which in fact is "bands that sound like GY!BE or Mogwai".

Listen to Flying Saucer Attack sometime.
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« Reply #37 on: 10 Feb 2008, 21:07 »

I think we've finished ragging on those who haven't listened as far back as some others have. I could say that Slint started the movement. I could say that Talk Talk, Bark Psychosis, Disco Inferno, or Cul de Sac influenced the genre (Cul de Sac are pretty great.) but there would be no point. Hell, I could say that The Velvet Underground started post-rock (Apparently they influenced EVERYTHING. What the hell, music journalists?) but...sorry, I'm done. I made my point (hopefully).
Also, where is this stuff? We should get to uploading all of these 'post-rock influences' for the mediafire thread instead of just making claims on their credibility.
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« Reply #38 on: 10 Feb 2008, 21:08 »

I don't feel like anyone is taking this news badly, except for maybe the OP (If you aren't, I'm sorry I said that.)

Nah, I was fine with it. Really. Not crying.

I didn't really like Yanqui that much either.
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« Reply #39 on: 10 Feb 2008, 21:15 »

I think we've finished ragging on those who haven't listened as far back as some others have.

It has nothing to do with timeline; there is still post-rock being made that does not sound like GY!BE.

I just do not approve of having an entire genre name reserved for bands that sound like them.

That would be like saying "The Mars Volta and Coheed and Cambria pretty much define modern prog rock".
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« Reply #40 on: 10 Feb 2008, 21:30 »

"The Mars Volta and Coheed and Cambria pretty much define modern prog rock".
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« Reply #41 on: 10 Feb 2008, 21:58 »

I'm pretty well indifferent to this. They made good music, and like all good things they came to an end. At least they didn't try to stretch it while it obviously wasn't working.

Do people think that when a band breaks up it's more dissappointing that they won't release any new material or that they won't have another chance to see them live?
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« Reply #42 on: 10 Feb 2008, 23:22 »

I don't understand why anybody considers this especially bad news.  Aside from the first 10 minutes of Lift Yr. Skinny Fists... and "Moya", other bands have come along and done everything GY!BE did, and better.  And Silver Mt. Zion is just such a better band, especially considering their last two releases.

And anybody who knew anything about the members of the band knew that it was a miracle they ever put anything out at all when the "interpersonal issues" are taken into account.


What are these bands that do what they did for the entirety of Lift Your Skinny Fists or "Providence" better than GYBE! and where can I hear them?
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #43 on: 10 Feb 2008, 23:35 »

Guys, I don't think it's exactly helpful to debate about "best" and "worst" albums in a band pretty much defined by mediocrity to begin with.

...Did I fool anyone into thinking they were reading a zerodrone post at first?

You fooled me into discounting your opinion for a while.
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« Reply #44 on: 11 Feb 2008, 00:49 »

What are these bands that do what they did for the entirety of Lift Your Skinny Fists or "Providence" better than GYBE! and where can I hear them?

Tarentel and Mono, for starters.
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« Reply #45 on: 11 Feb 2008, 00:50 »

I did a journal on this on last.fm that I think sums up my thoughts quite well:

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Good to see that this band will not release any more records. It was looking quite unlikely, but at least now we can all be secure in that knowledge. Pretentious, boring rubbish I say- If only they'd split up before they had formed. Or something.

Also: I've been listening to Metallica's Load recently. I think it has a bit of filler but a lot of songs are really quite good. Outlaw Torn and Bleeding Me in particular are quite epic- I think Metallica sure could've showed 'em how to write epic songs.

Load > All of GYBE's output.


THAT IS ALL.

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« Reply #46 on: 11 Feb 2008, 01:09 »

I think you may have taken that one a wee bit over the top.
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« Reply #47 on: 11 Feb 2008, 01:24 »

I think you may have taken that one a wee bit over the top.

Well, half of the intention of that journal was to troll gybe fanboys. Having said that, I'd rather listen to Load then GYBE. I like other post rock a lot, though.
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« Reply #48 on: 11 Feb 2008, 01:29 »

Oh, I know that, I just thought it wasn't terribly subtle.
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Re: Godspeed - Officially 86ed
« Reply #49 on: 11 Feb 2008, 01:42 »

My encyclopedic knowledge of the minutiae of Independent Music is failing me.

Can anyone think of a band that went on 'Hiatus' and actually returned? I need specific proof of the usage of this word to deem an answer as correct.

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