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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #50 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:33 »

The WBC has always done more harm to their 'cause' than good, and decisions like this will only serve to harm them further. The more and more ridiculous their pickets become, the more they damage themselves, and eventually legal intervention will put them in their rightful place. They'll never give up their 'cause', but they can certainly lose a lot of money through lawsuits, and that will surely make them think twice about their picketing techniques.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #51 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:37 »

A coworker looked it up. It's because God hates Illinois.

Seriously, God, apparently, hates Illionois. That's it.

I am pretty sure that, out of every person in America, Fred Phelps is the one person where we could get everyone else in the nation together and about 98% of us would agree to drop a rock on his head and be done with it and then just never speak of it again.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #52 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:49 »

actually it's once again about hating fags and condemning america as a whole. doesn't seem to have anything to do with the school or the shooting itself. (which makes it even more disgusting, i think.) if you're interested, the source is here.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #53 on: 15 Feb 2008, 10:59 »

Phelps is actually seriously mentally ill. It's all quite sad really.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #54 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:01 »

A coworker looked it up. It's because God hates Illinois.

Seriously, God, apparently, hates Illionois. That's it.
It's because I live here.

Seriously though, link plz, I wanna see this!

ADDITION: Oh wait, does it have something to do with Obama being from here?

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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #55 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:03 »

Can't have no faggot loving niggers running the godless USA, Jhocking.

But he hates you more.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #56 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:07 »

Phelps is actually seriously mentally ill. It's all quite sad really.

This could be said about a lot of people. The tragic part is that he has spent his life convincing more or less his entire family that his delusions are real, and as a result they too are pretty messed up.
We have a censor on the word *nig*ger*?
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #57 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:15 »

Yeah, forgot about that. The workaround on the filters doesn't really work anymore, because I can't work out what colour this text is. nigger is the closest I can get.

EDIT: OMG THAT ONE WORKED! WOO!
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #58 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:16 »

Man, my sister is seriously mentally ill and she doesn't spout of the kind of bullshit rhetoric Phelps does.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #59 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:20 »

Whatever. Phelps is one of those few people where I hate him so much I've come through the other side. Now, I just pity him. It's just pathetic.

This'll make the second time he's protested something I've been indirectly/directly involved with. First was when our high school did the Laramie Project... Seriously, we were a small town Central Illinoisan university h.s. Does he just type the words "gay" and/or "homosexual" + "event" into google and make a bulleted list of the results? Does he twiddle his thumbs in the meantime? If I bought him some crossword puzzles, would he leave the world the fuck alone?
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #60 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:23 »

God hates crosswords. Send him some Sudoku.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #61 on: 15 Feb 2008, 11:28 »

But there's no way to make a homophobic sudoku.

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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #62 on: 15 Feb 2008, 12:28 »

I seriously want to chop open Phelp's chest to see if he has a heart and then open his skull and see if he has a brain, because obviously he has neither and I want his shit to stop.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #63 on: 15 Feb 2008, 13:57 »

So, The Associated press story says "seven dead including the gunman[...]"  You know what?  Fuck the gunman.  Seriously.  They did the same shit with the V.Tech shootings.  The gunmen shouldn;t be grouped in with their victims.  The AP should read "Six victims are now dead.  The assfuck, who killed them, committed suicide/was killed by the police (depending on the situation)."

This has really shaken me up.  Right after the V.Tech shooting, some assfuck kid sent an email out from my sister's high school saying he was going to emulate the shootings.  The assfuck has also made several threats to my sister saying that he will kill her and her family, he has also attacked my little brother as well.  And Guess What:  The school kicked the kid out and now has let him back in this semester.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #64 on: 15 Feb 2008, 14:13 »

WTF. I sincerely hope nothing happens to your family.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #65 on: 15 Feb 2008, 14:36 »

Dissy, I understand you're upset, but in that first paragraph, you're getting riled up over nothing. It's not like they said "seven victims, including the attacker". They merely stated "seven dead, including the gunman".
The thing about threats against your family is something that should be protested. They can't ignore you if death threats have been made. Write them until they fix this.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #66 on: 15 Feb 2008, 15:09 »

Well, to me
"seven victims, including the attacker"
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"seven dead, including the gunman"


I feel that is an insult to the murdered.  I mean we don't count, to my knowledge at least, suicide bombers in the list of causulties, why should we count the loons and nuts who go on a killing rampage.


They won't do anything about the threats.  We already tried it.  Especially since the kid is smart enough to say it to my sister when no one else is around.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #67 on: 15 Feb 2008, 16:14 »

No, "Seven dead, including the shooter" is simply correct. There aren't any degrees of dead. The dead are dead and, as Voltaire says, to the dead we owe only the truth.

Besides which, I personally could argue about the shooters not being victims, but you obviously have no capacity for rational detachment, for whatever reason, so I won't.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #68 on: 15 Feb 2008, 16:27 »

I mean we don't count, to my knowledge at least, suicide bombers in the list of causulties,

No, they oftentimes do, though not always. If a bunch of people die in a suicide attack, the bomber is usually included as one of the dead. If one or two are killed, the bomber is usually left out.

Regarding the issue of the 2nd Amendment--the thing is, it's prefaced by the phrase a well-regulated militia, it's not just "EVERYONE GETS GUNS, YEE-HAW!!" Let's also remember that at the time, "arms" meant muskets that had a rate of fire of--at best--3 shots per minute. I sincerely doubt that the writers of that amendment would condone the notion of people being able to walk into a store and buy an AK-47.

Also, it really bugs me when conservative groups, seeking to look anywhere else to put the blame than on the readiness of guns, point at videogames and movies. Those things don't change a person to the degree where they one day wake up and decide they want to go shoot some of their peers. It probably is a bit desensitizing, but not to a dehumanizing degree. Even the most hardened FPS player or Horror fan can still be disgusted by high levels of gore and violence in some things, showing that aversion towards brutality can't just be winnowed out of a personality unless there's something more serious deep down inside that person.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #69 on: 15 Feb 2008, 21:11 »

RedLion, whether your interpretation of the second amendment and the term "militia" is right or not, it is the interpretation of it that tends to divide the USA on the issue of gun control. So while you may be right about it, please don't declare it as fact because it is still an interpretation, and as such someone might take offense to it and start a flame war. (That is the politics Jeph wants us to avoid.)
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #70 on: 15 Feb 2008, 21:29 »

Oh I wasn't trying to state it as fact--that's why I said "I sincerely doubt," not "I totally and incontrovertibly know."
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #71 on: 16 Feb 2008, 12:01 »

it's prefaced by the phrase a well-regulated militia, it's not just "EVERYONE GETS GUNS, YEE-HAW!!" Let's also remember that at the time, "arms" meant muskets that had a rate of fire of--at best--3 shots per minute.

(This is what I meant. Interpreting contemporary context for the Constitution is never easy and highly disputed and everyone has their own skewed opinion.)
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #72 on: 16 Feb 2008, 13:25 »

WBC is coming because NIU has an LGBT (Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender) Organization on our campus that is acknowledged by the school.

And I don't really see where your anger is stemming from with the shooter, aside from your unfortunate personal story that in the end just results in a bias.  This was a good kid that a few of my friends knew from his time here at NIU in 2004.  He was just a fucked up dude who for whatever reason stopped taking his meds.  I dunno, I understand people being upset, but you don't have to be a dick.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #73 on: 16 Feb 2008, 16:39 »

Fucking trend hoppers.

It wasn't cool the first time, guy!

I thought the same thing!

This guy is just a dumb trend hopper.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #74 on: 16 Feb 2008, 19:56 »

it wasn't funny the first time

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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #75 on: 17 Feb 2008, 01:33 »

That man can go and die. Any time. Really.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #76 on: 17 Feb 2008, 01:53 »

So sociology grad students can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality?

What else is new.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #77 on: 17 Feb 2008, 07:22 »

The kotaku commentary was right on about the two most telling bits in the JT interview: the very beginning where Thompson blatantly ignored the interviewer's question in order to start up on his anti-videogame rant, and the very end where the interviewer pretty much dismissed his opinions.

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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #78 on: 17 Feb 2008, 09:27 »

Let the record show, I have played every Grand Theft Auto game that has ever been produced (with the only exception being "Stories From Vice City"). I have been through periods of extreme mental instability (such as eating disorders in elementary school and suicidal thoughts my freshman year). I have gone through abuse, both physical and psychological, and at one point I was so horribly mistreated at school that I considered dropping out.

All that has happened and I have never once shot up a fucking school. Jack Thompson can shut his filthy goddamn mouth and let me play CounterStrike whenever I bloody want.
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Re: North Illinois University Shooting
« Reply #79 on: 17 Feb 2008, 17:53 »

Just make sure you don't play CounterStrikeHalfLife.
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