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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #150 on: 08 May 2008, 10:21 »

Honestly, I think there's a lot of potential in Cap as a character that's gone largely untapped in the actual comics. The concept of struggling to maintain his own identity when he disagrees with the government or the fish-out-of-time story of the Ultimates makes Cap waaaay more interesting and I hope they go in that direction.

Hell, make the first act of the movie a hyper-stylized, ultra-patriotic backstory of a young recruit who becomes a war hero and punches Hitler in the face, then use the second act to throw him into a world that he doesn't know and he can't wrap his head around, then the third act with him finding his place in the ideas that even though the country changes, the ideals of America never do.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #151 on: 08 May 2008, 10:31 »

Honestly, considering it comes out mere months before Avengers, I'd say the vast majority should take place in the World War II era. Freeze him about twenty minutes before the ending and have it end with him being thawed, freaking the fuck out and then recruit him for the Initiative. Cliffhanger movie endings are okay when they're being followed up upon shortly.
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« Reply #152 on: 08 May 2008, 10:37 »

That idea really appeals to me. That would be amazing - but I doubt that's what's going to happen. They'll probably just give us a cop-out and make Cap fighting the Al-Queda...
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #153 on: 08 May 2008, 10:39 »

I disagree. I think each character's movies should be able to stand completely alone as an introduction to them so that they are fully established for Avengers. 20 minutes of character development of him in the present isn't enough to have an established character in the Avenger movie, no matter what they do with him in WW2 era.
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« Reply #154 on: 08 May 2008, 12:10 »

Except that's exactly what they did in Ultimates. They just thawed him out and explained things as it went. Sure, it was a team book, but Cap was definitely the central figure for most of it, and they chose to focus on his being in the wrong time and place. Which, I think would work well as an Avengers movie. I would love the idea of the Cap movie all set in WWII and then being thawed out right at the end of his movie or the beginning of the Avengers movie.

Though, that idea about the WWII part being stylized could be really cool. Almost like a living newsreel or something.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #155 on: 08 May 2008, 12:17 »

I know, I love the Ultimates, but I'd really rather the movie be about the team dynamic as a whole and not waste too much time focusing on specific people. They can still have him play off of the rest of the team's modern views of the world after they establish him fully as a fish out of water in his own movie.

Yeah, they should totally make the WW2 portion of Captain America as stylized and propaganda-esque as possible, actually, since that's what the comics were. Make it "BUY WAR BONDS"-y as hell, completely in the style of the 30s/40s.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #156 on: 08 May 2008, 12:28 »

Am I the only one who thinks the Avengers movie could quite possibly be a mess?  I mean, with Ant-Man being a "comedy/action" film, Iron Man being super-stylized and hip, the Hulk being very brooding and dark, and Captain America being either a cheezy Nazi-fightin' good ole boy or... whatever else... and who knows what the fuck the Thor movie will be like... it just seems like the character interaction could be really off.  Downey Jr. and Norton can probably have a good dynamic together, but I just... really don't know about the whole idea.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #157 on: 08 May 2008, 12:33 »

Considering the fact that most of those characters managed to mesh in the comics close to fifty years ago, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #158 on: 08 May 2008, 12:36 »

GUYS! am i the only one who actually started to like iron man more BECAUSE he was such a douchbag in civil war?? i mean he'd always been a douchbag, but in civil war he upped it like a millionty. but he thought he was doing good and he stuck with it and i kinda started to love him

anyone else????

also, movie kicked ass.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #159 on: 08 May 2008, 12:40 »

Actually, that's pretty much how I felt.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #160 on: 08 May 2008, 12:41 »

Considering the fact that most of those characters managed to mesh in the comics close to fifty years ago, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I stopped reading superhero comics in 1988 but I really don't recall the Avengers as being anything other than kind of silly and typically comic-book-ish, like the Fantastic Four (and look how great those movies turned out).

I'm just doubting that within the span of a 2-hour movie they will manage to pull all the heroes together, get the interactions right, and also have time left for an exciting plot.

What would be really great is if they would make a New Mutants film that captured the feel of the first 50 or so issues of that comic - very dark and emotional.
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« Reply #161 on: 08 May 2008, 12:44 »

zerodrone, go find a way to read Ultimates.

That's the kind of thing I'm hoping for for the Avengers movie. Not nearly as dark and cruel as the actual comics, but the same general theme of a bunch of superheroes thrown together to fight menaces bigger than themselves despite the fact that they actually aren't much as a team until it matters.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #162 on: 08 May 2008, 12:50 »

It managed to work fine for X-Men, which was essentially Avengers with racism. You seem to be forgetting the fact that Fury's obviously rounding them up in the continuity of the solo flicks. By the time they actually do Avengers, they should be able to jump into the team without more than maybe twenty minutes of exposition (Which would probably be Cap acclimating to the modern age). This would essentially put it more in line with X2 where the team was already established.

Basically, they're doing this the exact correct manner by introducing the characters individually before making the team flick. That's why Avengers easily works as a movie (As would JLA): each member of the roster is sufficient to carry their own flick (With a few exceptions), whereas Wolverine (And MAYBE Gambit) is really the only X-Man who is popular enough to carry his own movie, meaning they had to flesh out each and every X-Man in the team movie.

And we've already had five New Mutants films. Though they changed the name to Harry Potter for some reason (Seriously, all ten angst with magic/super power movies are the same thing).
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #163 on: 08 May 2008, 12:58 »

Have you actually read the very early New Mutants issues?  They were a hell of a lot darker and more interesting than Harry freakin' Potter.   :x
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #164 on: 08 May 2008, 13:13 »

I've been reading Marvel comics since I was eight and still read them. New Mutants, regardless of which era you go for, is essentially the same teen angst thing everyone else has done ever. You'd be better served with a Runaways movie if you were going to translate a Marvel teen comic.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #165 on: 08 May 2008, 13:23 »

Speaking of teen angst, they should do X-Statix.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #166 on: 08 May 2008, 13:30 »

Um wha? X-Statix wasn't a teen book...
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #167 on: 08 May 2008, 14:36 »

I've been reading Marvel comics since I was eight and still read them. New Mutants, regardless of which era you go for, is essentially the same teen angst thing everyone else has done ever.

I still maintain it is more fundamentally interesting.  With characters like Warlock and Rahne I thought it was darker and more enjoyable for a mature audience than Harry Potter.

Regardless, saying it's "the same teen angst thing" is a cop-out; most comic book movies are "the same misunderstood vigilante thing".
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #168 on: 08 May 2008, 15:43 »

I know, I love the Ultimates, but I'd really rather the movie be about the team dynamic as a whole and not waste too much time focusing on specific people. They can still have him play off of the rest of the team's modern views of the world after they establish him fully as a fish out of water in his own movie.

Yeah, they should totally make the WW2 portion of Captain America as stylized and propaganda-esque as possible, actually, since that's what the comics were. Make it "BUY WAR BONDS"-y as hell, completely in the style of the 30s/40s.

And he needs to have the WWII Cap uniform, the one from Ultimates, and Ultimate Alliance.   The middle one
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #169 on: 08 May 2008, 16:38 »

It's kind of funny that they're planning an Avengers movie when Edward Fucking Norton is the Hulk. He'll demand 50 million dollars and still phone it in, provided they don't let him write the thing.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #170 on: 08 May 2008, 17:48 »

I've been reading Marvel comics since I was eight and still read them. New Mutants, regardless of which era you go for, is essentially the same teen angst thing everyone else has done ever. You'd be better served with a Runaways movie if you were going to translate a Marvel teen comic.

I would love to see a live action version of Pixie, Santos, and Anole, but then again I would also love to see Gurt, Victor, and Molly.  CHOICES!!!
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #171 on: 08 May 2008, 22:00 »

And he needs to have the WWII Cap uniform, the one from Ultimates, and Ultimate Alliance.   The middle one

Yeah, I love that costume.

All of those suffer from pouch syndrome, though. Why the fuck does he need ten pouches? It's not like he ever uses anything but his shield.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #172 on: 09 May 2008, 01:54 »

I stopped reading superhero comics in 1988

Whoo boy.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #173 on: 09 May 2008, 04:49 »

He needs the pouches for all the first aid supplies he should be carrying, besides every military uniform needs lots of pockets and pouches.  It's just the way it is.  British, Cdn and US uniforms have had at least 2-4 pockets since 1900 just on the tunic.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #174 on: 09 May 2008, 15:40 »

I stopped reading superhero comics in 1988

Whoo boy.

What?  They just stopped interesting me.  Is it that unusual to "grow out of" comic books?

I still read stuff like Transmetropolitan and sometimes re-read Watchmen, Love and Rockets, and Sandman.

And the first six volumes of ElfQuest, even though it makes me feel like a new-age hippie to do so.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #175 on: 10 May 2008, 00:45 »

I was born when you stopped reading comic books.
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« Reply #176 on: 10 May 2008, 00:50 »

I had pretty much that same thought
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #177 on: 10 May 2008, 02:46 »

Oh.

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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #178 on: 11 May 2008, 16:58 »

Finally saw this movie today and yes, it was freaking awesome. Definitely one of the best comic book movies to come out lately, if ever.
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« Reply #179 on: 11 May 2008, 18:15 »

"I'd like to talk to you about the Avenger Initiative."

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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #180 on: 12 May 2008, 03:04 »

Good Christ, I haven't had that much outright fun watching a superhero film in a very long time.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #181 on: 12 May 2008, 07:51 »

The Vanity Fair reporter chick... was she high?  Because she looked like she was tweaking on coke when they were getting it on.

Other than that, the movie was awesome sauce.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #182 on: 12 May 2008, 08:13 »

I thought she looked like she was trying to kill him or something. But I loved Paltrow's line about taking out the trash afterwards, hehe.
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« Reply #183 on: 12 May 2008, 08:34 »

I think the idea with the Vanity Fair reporter was that she was all set to hate him because she really thought he was a warmonger, but he charmed her pants off and she didn't need any coke because Stark's huge, throbbing ego turned loose her inner animal.

But she was just a one-nighter after all (Stark didn't remember her name later), and when she tried to talk trash to Pepper, Pepper got to slam her down.  That was cool.
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« Reply #184 on: 12 May 2008, 22:44 »

The Vanity Fair reporter chick... was she high?  Because she looked like she was tweaking on coke when they were getting it on.

Other than that, the movie was awesome sauce.
Yeah, I was watching with my cousin and he turned to me during that scene and said "what the fuck is she doing? That's not sex."

Anyway, after a week or so of distance I've decided that it was a fun movie that had a lame villain and underutilized Terrance Howard. Here's to the sequel.
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« Reply #185 on: 13 May 2008, 22:35 »

This was freaking awesome...period.

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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #186 on: 13 May 2008, 22:37 »

Yeah, I was watching with my cousin and he turned to me during that scene and said "what the fuck is she doing? That's not sex."

Clearly you people are doing it wrong.   :wink:
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #187 on: 14 May 2008, 01:39 »

Clearly you people are doing it wrong. Do more cocaine.
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« Reply #188 on: 14 May 2008, 02:17 »

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« Reply #189 on: 14 May 2008, 05:02 »



See? I can do it too...
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #190 on: 14 May 2008, 08:54 »

I enter this thread to find a picture of Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal, and Dr. Roxo The Rock N' Roll clown from Metalocalypse. What the hell man?
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« Reply #191 on: 14 May 2008, 09:44 »

Jesus everytime I come in this thread I end up spending hours on Wikipedia reading comic book articles.
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« Reply #192 on: 14 May 2008, 09:58 »

You make it sound like a bad thing.
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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #193 on: 14 May 2008, 10:55 »

That reminds, me what does Vanity Fair actually cover?  I thought they were a fashion/general home making magazine.
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« Reply #194 on: 14 May 2008, 10:57 »

I think it's your basic gossip rag. A guy like Tony Stark would definitely end up in there.
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« Reply #195 on: 14 May 2008, 14:03 »

[Sweet Tooth]

See? I can do it too...

No, see, the point was that Dr. Roxo was on Cocaine, not that he was a scary clown.
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« Reply #196 on: 14 May 2008, 17:18 »

[Sweet Tooth]

See? I can do it too...

No, see, the point was that Dr. Roxo was on Cocaine, not that he was a scary clown.

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Re: Iron Man
« Reply #197 on: 14 May 2008, 23:37 »

Jesus everytime I come in this thread I end up spending hours on Wikipedia reading comic book articles.

I'll be honest with you, after the Pokemon thread I did the same thing. I don't regret it.
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« Reply #198 on: 15 May 2008, 01:30 »

[Sweet Tooth]

See? I can do it too...

No, see, the point was that Dr. Roxo was on Cocaine, not that he was a scary clown.

lulz "I DO COCAINNEEEE GU GU GU YYEEEEAAAAHHHHHH"

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« Reply #199 on: 15 May 2008, 06:18 »

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