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[karl gambolputty...]

Nickelback is so far off the right track it's not even funny.

I disagree.  I think Nickelback and all the bands mentioned in the OP basically took good music and diluted it down to appeal to the lowest common denominator.  It shouldn't be hard to introduce someone who listens to it to good stuff.  I can't imagine anyone who listens to Nickelback and Jet who wouldn't like, for example, Buffalo Tom and Mclusky. 

Which also ties in to the issue of whether it's cool to 'educate' people on good music.  There's definitely a difference between saying "You're taste sucks, I'm going to fix it" and saying "Hey if you like this, you should check out THIS, because they do the same kind of thing, but much better".  As long as you stay on the right side of that boundary, there's nothing wrong with introducing people to music.


Edited for atrocious grammar

[valley_parade]

Apparently some people actually like Cannibal Corpse.

Cannibal Corpse have sold over a million albums.

Think about that for a minute.

By that logic, my EP should be FLYING off the e-shelves.

[Patrick]

Just wait a couple months man you'll have another sale then.

[valley_parade]

Or I could keep bugging Malorie to buy more.

[Trillian]

Hey my name is Malorie.  And seeing as you haven't been bugging me to buy anything I can only assume there is an IMPOSTER.

Anyway, EP.  didn't know you had one.  Rad.

[pinkpiche]

There is such a thing as bad music.

I mean, there is a difference between someone not liking death metal and just a fucking bad death metal song.

I'm not saying there isn't, I'm saying there's no right or wrong kind of music. A lot of people listen to bad music. Let them.

Tommy>> I wasn't trying to twist squawk's words. Here's what the person said: "He desperately needs help... I feel it is my duty to show him the light,...How do you wean someone off Nickelback before it is too late?" I see the certain amount of jollyness included in this post, and it's obvious that he's not trying to be a jerk here, but squawk IS saying "How do I convert this guy?" Answer is, you don't. Nickelback is "right" in some circles, "wrong" in others and I know that we all once listened to something different than we do now and that there probably was someone who helped pave the way, but that's how it is with everything! Your music taste doesn't change for the better, it just changes and that's the same with books, movies, girls, internet comics and so on. If he was just suggesting "Hey, this band is good! Take a listen, whydontya?" in stead of saying "Hey, your music is crap. Listen to something else." I would have no problem at all.

Edit: Crap, karl already said it.

[Patrick]

Anyway, EP.  didn't know you had one.  Rad.

www.myspace.com/vpnoise

[valley_parade]

Hey my name is Malorie.  And seeing as you haven't been bugging me to buy anything I can only assume there is an IMPOSTER.

Anyway, EP.  didn't know you had one.  Rad.

YOU, PERSON ALSO CALLED MALORIE. BUY MY EP!

If you like sheer noisedom (and Roddy-reading..dom), BUY IT TWICE.

[Jackie Blue]

www.myspace.com/vpnoise

Oh Patrick, nobody actually goes to links in people's signatures.  I think I've had exactly one person ever "discover" my band by following my personal myspace to my band's.

And my band is fucking awesome!

[valley_parade]

That's why it's also the little link under my avatar!

[Patrick]

Nah zerodrone's right nobody ever goes to those, it's the exact same case with me.

[StreetSpirit]

This thread makes me smile, because it is true: real friends do not let their friends listen to Nickelback (or Creed (or some other bands that fall under this blanket)) because they want their friends to hear beautiful music!

"I was born wearing pants. Be prepared"

[Jackie Blue]

Her tone was light because she is posting on a forum where most of the people responding know her well enough to distinguish humourous intent.

Dude I have no clue who this "squawk" person is and I've been here what, over a year?

One should never make such assumptions on forums.  It is always best to hedge your bets.

(Says the person who makes ridiculous nonsense posts when something pisses him off in the assumption people will "get" it.  Hypocrisy is the new irony.)

[valley_parade]

Anna owns a badass Danelectro U2 reissue. That's reason enough for me to think of her as "pretty awesome".

[Patrick]

Yeah but she stickered it. GET THE TORCH

[Beastmouth]

Yeah but she stickered it. GET THE TORCH

What is yr problem with guitars, dude?  You know, sometimes it'll play better if it's *not* factory.

[valley_parade]

You've never seen his Squier, have you.

[Patrick]

What, you mean this one?

[Jackie Blue]

Seriously there should be a sticky at the top of the forum containing real names and short relevant pieces of information about everyone because I DON'T KNOW ANY OF YOUR DAMN NAMES (except the obvious ones) and I know the quiki exists but that is effort and eff that ess.

[Beastmouth]

You've never seen his Squier, have you.

I'm pretty sure he's the same guy who went apeshit about filing saddles and using 4000 grit sanding cloths to smooth the back of a guitar's neck, i.e., standard set up procedure in any good shop. 

[Patrick]

It just makes me cringe mightily, is all, and is something to consider when you're hacking away at shit that could probably easily be fixed by other means.

Now, what made me go apeshit? Sonic Youth's complete disrespect for instruments in general. Seriously who let them do that.

[MadassAlex]

It's even worse when rock stars actually smash high quality, high price instruments. I mean, at least pull a Zakk Wylde and throw it into the crowd if you're that set on being rid of it. Jesus fuck.

[imapiratearg]

There is a difference between what Sonic Youth did and what Pete Townsend does.

[Beastmouth]

It just makes me cringe mightily, is all, and is something to consider when you're hacking away at shit that could probably easily be fixed by other means.

As I said, filing saddles and using superfine sanding cloths on the neck are standard procedure in any worthwhile shop.  Do you know how to make a guitar nut?  Do you know that replacing the nut is as unusual as replacing the strings? 
There's no defacement involved in setting up a guitar; filing the saddles on a Jag is the same as putting new tires on a Jag.

[Patrick]

I've made a guitar nut (for the Squier pictured). And I've never seen why you would need to do superfine-grit sanding on a neck. Every neck I've ever played on had just the standard-fare unsanded neck and I've been just fine. And removing burrs from a saddle is one thing. Deepening grooves on a multi-groove saddle? Quite another!

[Nodaisho]

I firmly believe that everyone needs to listen to Clutch.

I firmly agree.

Alex, I think the problem with that idea is how there are probably a couple broken bones (at least) every time Wylde throws a guitar into the audience, what with the drunks fighting over it. Whoever had it could hit people with it when they try to take it, but they might break it.

[Beastmouth]

And I've never seen why you would need to do superfine-grit sanding on a neck. Every neck I've ever played on had just the standard-fare unsanded neck and I've been just fine.

Exactly.  Most necks are acceptable, but once you sand it smoother than silk it will actually caress your skin and beg you to touch it.  You will doubt you're holding a guitar.  It makes moving up the next drastically easier while not letting yr hand slip when you hold position.

Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some 220 grit you can buy at Lowe's.  I generally start at 800 grit and work my way up to 6000.  I've done it on all my guitars, from my hundred dollar SX to my '59 Gibson, and it's improved them all. 

[MadassAlex]

Alex, I think the problem with that idea is how there are probably a couple broken bones (at least) every time Wylde throws a guitar into the audience, what with the drunks fighting over it. Whoever had it could hit people with it when they try to take it, but they might break it.

Bones heal, guitars don't. ;_;

(Seriously if some drunk fuck wants to fight over a guitar that's his choice, but that's no reason to damage a finely made instrument)

In any case, I think it would be better if musicians in general did not destroy instruments.

[KharBevNor]

Guitar nerds are so tiresome.

You guys make me want to go out and smash my guitar.

[edwartica]

There used to be  a notice in the DJ both at my alma mater's radio station. It was the standard "don't say the following words on the air..." Well, being a college station full of good humored djs, everyone wrote other words on the list - usually they were things like "George W" or "nucluar" or something like that. It was most humorous to read. But one of my all time favorite words added on to that list....Nickelback. 

[MadassAlex]

Guitar nerds are so tiresome.

You guys make me want to go out and smash my guitar.

But I don't think these guys know who Razormbeck is.

[Patrick]

Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some 220 grit you can buy at Lowe's.  I generally start at 800 grit and work my way up to 6000.  I've done it on all my guitars, from my hundred dollar SX to my '59 Gibson, and it's improved them all. 

No, I'm aware of what 6000-grit sandpaper is, what it looks and feels like. My old man is restoring an old airplane ('57 Bellanca Cruisemaster) and has tons of the stuff. I'm just saying, I really don't feel like refinishing my neck if somebody fucks up. I especially don't want to be the guy who does the fucking up.

[KharBevNor]

I don't know much about Sonic Youth, but didn't they use prepared guitars? That just means sticking knitting needles and screwdrivers and so forth under the strings or through the strings, attaching alligator clips, paperclips etc, or playing the guitar with unusual objects (I know Zappa used a dismembered dolls leg from time to time). You can get through a lot of strings, but it isn't exactly destroying the guitar. It's also, in my opinion anyway, a good deal more interesting that Yngwie Malmsteen style masturbation.

Unlike say, various people who have just recorded themselves drilling holes in guitars, and other things.

Though, really, at the end of the day, most guitars are produced on a production line. It's not like burning a Stradivarius. You might as well get all weepy about people blowing up cars to make action movies.

[E. Spaceman]

They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state

[A Wet Helmet]

My feelings exactly.   

Play it, break it, fix it, play it some more.   

[valley_parade]

They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state

There is nothing sexier in guitar land than a well-bashed Jazzmaster.

[Beastmouth]

Keep in mind, I'm not talking about some 220 grit you can buy at Lowe's.  I generally start at 800 grit and work my way up to 6000.  I've done it on all my guitars, from my hundred dollar SX to my '59 Gibson, and it's improved them all. 

No, I'm aware of what 6000-grit sandpaper is, what it looks and feels like. My old man is restoring an old airplane ('57 Bellanca Cruisemaster) and has tons of the stuff. I'm just saying, I really don't feel like refinishing my neck if somebody fucks up. I especially don't want to be the guy who does the fucking up.

And you trust yourself to change strings?
This isn't refinishing a guitar.  It's much less harmful than oiling the fingerboard, even.  You'd have to spend hours to strip an inch, if you spend ten minutes on the whole neck you'll just be amazed at how much better the thing plays.

And the Sonic Youth do kill guitars.  Not in the Pete Townshend sense, but screwdrivers and having Kim walk over it does tend to make the things age faster.  Of course, they didn't steal their own van. 

[Patrick]

They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state

There is nothing sexier in guitar land than a well-bashed ANY FENDER BUT ONE THAT'S 20 YEARS OLD AND LOOKED LIKE NEW WHEN THEY GOT IT

[imapiratearg]

They used prepared guitars but also used techniques like rubbing a guitar against the floor which left the instruments sometimes a bit less than in vintage state

That looks totally bad ass.  I'm with Tommy and Veep.

[Jackie Blue]

I don't see the problem. Guitars are there to be used.

I agree but I also think that literally destorying a guitar is a dick move.  It's like "Hey, check this shit out, we have so much money we can just buy another one!"

As a reasonably poor musician, that kinda irks me.

Plus, some guitars should be preserved because you just can't find them anymore.  I have been searching for years on eBay and every other site imaginable for the exact 1960s Silvertone that I used to have (until the band's practice room caught on fire) and I simply cannot find one.  And it had the best tone I've ever gotten from a guitar.

[Beastmouth]

I don't see the problem. Guitars are there to be used.

I agree but I also think that literally destorying a guitar is a dick move.  It's like "Hey, check this shit out, we have so much money we can just buy another one!"

Wasn't it Rites of Spring who had to break up for good because they smashed their last instruments at their last show, and didn't wanna be the first a cappella hardcore group?

[imapiratearg]

I don't see the problem. Guitars are there to be used.

I agree but I also think that literally destorying a guitar is a dick move.  It's like "Hey, check this shit out, we have so much money we can just buy another one!"

I don't think they thought of it that way.  Maybe a lot of the people in the "classic rock" vein thought that way, but I don't think Sonic Youth did.

[Jackie Blue]

I wasn't talking about Sonic Youth; to my knowledge, Sonic Youth rarely or never actually smashed their guitars to bits onstage (like, say, ...And You Will Know Us By the Trail of Dead used to).

I have no problem at all with what SY do to their instruments.

[Patrick]

In another vein, I think it is perfectly acceptible to smash somebody else's instruments onstage. Hendrix at the Monterey Pop Festival, anyone? Bonus TRU ROKK points for fire and more bonus points for humping a burning object into your speaker cab.

Hey Khar you still awake?

[MadassAlex]

Though, really, at the end of the day, most guitars are produced on a production line. It's not like burning a Stradivarius. You might as well get all weepy about people blowing up cars to make action movies.

A guitar is a vehicle of artwork; a car is a vehicle of glorified pedestrians.

Plus, when have you ever seen an actually fantastic guitarist destroy a good guitar?

[Jackie Blue]

Plus, when have you ever seen an actually fantastic guitarist destroy a good guitar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxdDnJI-nX4

[A Wet Helmet]

If memory serves, Pete smashed a 59 telecaster when I saw them.

That was a long time ago though, in fact, it was this show right here.  So if someone can confirm or correct my memory, I'd be pretty thrilled either way.

[jeph]

If memory serves, Pete smashed a 59 telecaster when I saw them.

god i hate pete townsend
 

[MadassAlex]

No, seriously guys, when have you seen an actual good guitarist destroy a guitar? Apart from Hendrix?

[carrotosaurus]

If memory serves, Pete smashed a 59 telecaster when I saw them.

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