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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #50 on: 12 Jun 2011, 18:24 »

Try getting your hands on the first game to play through first (on an emulator if not anything else). Solid 1 establishes most of core mechanics without being too hard on you for it.

You could probably play the series chronologically after that, yes, keeping the context of the first game in mind. I've never actually done that myself but knowing how the story plays out in its entirety, Snake Eater certainly is a perfect way to get a player invested in the series.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #51 on: 13 Jun 2011, 04:13 »

Also, Transfarring. Seems like a pretty neat idea.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #52 on: 13 Jun 2011, 06:35 »

Also will probably get the Zone of the Enders pack

Oh Konami this is just the darndest cashgrab and you know it

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #53 on: 13 Jun 2011, 06:38 »

nice to see that Substance and Subsistence aren't included, meaning that the few copies on ebay will retain their resale value
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #54 on: 13 Jun 2011, 08:24 »

nice to see that Substance and Subsistence aren't included, meaning that the few copies on ebay will retain their resale value
What did those have, just extra VR maps and stuff? Anything in the actual campaign?

I think Substance let you play as Snake in the Big Shell, doing his side of the storyline instead of playing as Raiden, but other than that, no.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #55 on: 13 Jun 2011, 15:37 »

Yeah Substance and Subsistence were pretty boss (zero boss)

But yeah stay away from Sons of Liberty initially because it is half-retarded. So is the fourth game, though the hype obscured that fact when it came out and was da best game ever made!!!

They are tolerable once you play through the good ones, though.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #56 on: 13 Jun 2011, 15:49 »

Why is those things?
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #57 on: 13 Jun 2011, 16:03 »

*eyes bug out comically*
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #58 on: 13 Jun 2011, 17:14 »

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #59 on: 13 Jun 2011, 17:16 »

Also: Gay vampires
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #60 on: 13 Jun 2011, 17:16 »

Also: Clone Presidents
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #61 on: 13 Jun 2011, 17:19 »

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #62 on: 13 Jun 2011, 17:26 »

The mere existence of Haunted Hand Transplant suggests that any good narrative qualities the MGS Series had may have been happy accidents.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #63 on: 13 Jun 2011, 17:37 »

I think I got this Naked Snake/Big Boss was cloned to give Solid, Solidus and Liquid Snakes. Clone Snake President Solidus was the adoptive father of Raiden the androgynous cyber ninja.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #64 on: 13 Jun 2011, 18:51 »

We got n00bs in this thread, spoiler!

Anyway, that can't be right, How could Solidus have been both the President and Raiden's adoptive father? Did Jack have amnesia or something? That can't have been right. I want to say it was the Colonel that turns out to be a malevolent computer.

Man, MGS4 could have been so much better if it didn't have to wrap up all the clownshoes mental bullshit from Sons of Liberty along with all the marginally less mental plot twists and awkward retcons from the rest of the series. They did about as well as they could, but it still ended up as a boilerplate "fuck it we'll throw EVERYTHING at 'em" anime finale.

Still bitter about how they completely fucked off Ocelot, the only consistently great thing about the series up til the Sons of Liberty point of the continuity.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #65 on: 13 Jun 2011, 20:06 »

counterpoint: snake eater owns from start to finish
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #66 on: 13 Jun 2011, 22:29 »

No argument there, Snake Eater is top-to-bottom excellent. I'd think it's a good place to start, too.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #67 on: 14 Jun 2011, 00:06 »

also i think sons of liberty is tolerable in terms of its gameplay alone but is something you'll have an almost impossible time with if you do snake eater first. do them in the order they're on the disc. (you'll also get some fun surprises in snake eater at the very least, whereas if you do them in chronological rather than released order it's kind of like if you watched the star wars movies for the first time in episodic sequence in terms of the sheer joy of recognition of characters/locations/etc.)
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #68 on: 14 Jun 2011, 07:51 »

Yeah, I suppose doing it from 1-4 is the original experience so I guess when in doubt, just do it like that.


Also yeah whoever said that good MGS writing were accidents need to be shot
Because Snake Eater gripped a players balls from start to finish and gave it a nasty squeeze at the end just to kick Snake when he's already down


Also I've been trying to tell people this but Peace Walker is also pretty fucking awesome except no-one who owns a PSP still gives a shit
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #69 on: 14 Jun 2011, 08:50 »

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #70 on: 14 Jun 2011, 09:29 »

stupid but also kind of funny really
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #71 on: 14 Jun 2011, 09:34 »

The mere existence of Haunted Hand Transplant suggests that any good narrative qualities the MGS Series had may have been happy accidents.

Nanomachines and Hypnotic suggestion, remember? It wasn't literally a haunted hand.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #72 on: 14 Jun 2011, 12:37 »

Nanoconscious Hand Transplant

stupid but also kind of funny really
I also just remembered how Merrill (was that her name) falls for the series-long poop joke after it's revealed that he really had nanodiarrhea the whole time.

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #73 on: 14 Jun 2011, 14:17 »

I also just remembered how Merrill (was that her name) falls for the series-long poop joke after it's revealed that he really had nanodiarrhea the whole time.

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #74 on: 14 Jun 2011, 14:43 »

in MGS1 Merryl knocks out the guard who's supposed to be watching her. this is the same soldier that Snake encounters having...bathroom issues in both MGS1 (i think), and then later in MGS4.

of course this is only revealed later, when Johnny (the pants-shitting guard) confesses his love for Merryl (apparently he likes a girl who can kick his ass [and has!]).

at some point it also reveals WHY he kept shitting himself, and that was because he didn't have the same nanomachiens as everyone else regulating and protecting him. so his gut got jacked up when he traveled.


one of my favorite stupid plots from these games.
the scene in 4 where Merryl and Johnny are defending the door from the frogs, and they are simultaneously proposing to each other and talking about their wedding is really great. makes me smile every time.

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #75 on: 14 Jun 2011, 14:48 »

Essentially for about 4/5 of the game the Johnny character is a masked buffoon who is inexplicably on Snake's team and is roundly useless in combat, as he runs off clutching his bare ass trying not to shit everywhere (per the gag that runs through the MGS series - in each, there is an inept enemy who shits himself, allowing Snake to escape. The character in MGS3 is apparently the father / grandfather of the MGS4 character. This is a real thing). As the endgame approaches he removes his mask to reveal a blonde Adonis image, and it is explained that he was incompetent because his lack of nanites prevented him from properly communicating with the squad, and incontinent because he didn't get the nanite injections everyone else on the team did, thus exposing him to GI trouble as he inhales the nanites that fly through in the air in the battlefield. Thus the flatulent comic relief is overexplained (in classic MGS form) into a handsome badass, and he and Meryl fall in love.

Then they get married

This is what happens when you give one guy creative control over a series, with no editors.

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #76 on: 14 Jun 2011, 14:59 »

ah but your explanation is way better than mine anyway
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #77 on: 14 Jun 2011, 15:25 »

that scene was kinda cute
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #78 on: 14 Jun 2011, 19:11 »

Essentially for about 4/5 of the game the Johnny character is a masked buffoon who is inexplicably on Snake's team and is roundly useless in combat, as he runs off clutching his bare ass trying not to shit everywhere (per the gag that runs through the MGS series - in each, there is an inept enemy who shits himself, allowing Snake to escape. The character in MGS3 is apparently the father / grandfather of the MGS4 character. This is a real thing). As the endgame approaches he removes his mask to reveal a blonde Adonis image, and it is explained that he was incompetent because his lack of nanites prevented him from properly communicating with the squad, and incontinent because he didn't get the nanite injections everyone else on the team did, thus exposing him to GI trouble as he inhales the nanites that fly through in the air in the battlefield. Thus the flatulent comic relief is overexplained (in classic MGS form) into a handsome badass, and he and Meryl fall in love.

Then they get married

This is what happens when you give one guy creative control over a series, with no editors.

*edit - bah, beaten to it

I like to think they're making fun of every battlefield proposal/relationship ever (thinking of the first two Pirates of the Caribbean movies as a more recent example, though it applies to pretty much every action movie ever where one of the action heroes falls in love with someone).
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #79 on: 15 Jun 2011, 10:12 »

well, considering the entire MGS series is basically Kojima's tribute to american action movies...and kurt russel...then, i don't know if he was making fun of anything with that necessarily

but he could have been! i'm not a mind reader
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #80 on: 15 Jun 2011, 12:01 »

So wait, why give us Sons of Liberty? Why not just #4?
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #81 on: 15 Jun 2011, 13:45 »

I don't know, MGS4 for xbox has 'been in development' a while. Maybe this multiplatform release is meant to bring in new players (like myself) so they can sell more of the current gen MGS games.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #83 on: 15 Jun 2011, 18:50 »



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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #84 on: 15 Jun 2011, 19:08 »

Kojima is both the most awesome troll and a gifted writer

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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #85 on: 15 Jun 2011, 21:59 »

JD: Saints' Row? Never played or heard of those games before.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #86 on: 15 Jun 2011, 22:16 »

Yeah, I've haven't played the first two but this new one looks super slick. You get a dildo bat.
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Re: Obligatory E3 2011 Thread
« Reply #87 on: 16 Jun 2011, 00:25 »

First gameplay trailer


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« Reply #88 on: 16 Jun 2011, 08:22 »

They may not be the games that win awards, but they are fun games.
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