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« Reply #50 on: 12 Dec 2008, 09:49 »

Nexus Archives.

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« Reply #51 on: 12 Dec 2008, 13:26 »

How in the world does a decades old character being maimed legitimize war? Reading that, all I could was "Fuck, I am sure glad I never enlisted."

I've read overly sentimental comic books and that was far from overly sentimental. It was a pretty damn good balance and coming right after NWTD was a perfect spot for it, especially with the almost weekly scheduling, where it didn't interrupt anything.

The last minute revelation about his physical state was obviously designed for a shock emotional reaction, something which adds in to overly sentimental for me.  My copy of this issue is across the country from me at the moment, so I can't really articulate my thoughts on it too well, but I just really didn't enjoy it as I read it.  I found NWTD and all of the following issues to be much more interesting.  Well, the Hammerhead story had some absolutely hideous writing for the gangsters, but Hammerhead came across well.
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« Reply #52 on: 12 Dec 2008, 23:06 »

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Yeah but the difference is that when I tried to read Scalped it left kind of a bad taste in my mouth and I didn't really care what happened to any of the characters.

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« Reply #53 on: 13 Dec 2008, 03:08 »

Anyone read Emperor Vulcan? I really can't wait to get a chance to read the War of Kings storyline.
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« Reply #54 on: 13 Dec 2008, 06:46 »

I read it Tom. It was better than I expected and definitely a step up from Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire and Deadly Genesis.

If you plan on checking out War of Kings, keep an eye out for Kingbreaker, which starts Wednesday. You might also want to catch up on Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest and Secret Invasion: Inhumans, all of which lead up to War of Kings in their own way (Particularly SI: Inhumans).
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« Reply #55 on: 13 Dec 2008, 20:03 »

I loooove Guy Delisle's works -- especially "Pyongyang". They're all about his travels in scary, repressive countries. They're full of humor, and the drawings are small and cartoony. Totally not someon people's style for comics they like, but I love em. Taught me some scarys tuff about North Korea. The Burma one is really good, too. Haven't yet read the China one.

I also always reccomend Tintin books, in spite of some awkward racism.

"Dogs and Water", from Drawn and Quarterly was really good and really kind of freaked me out. It's about some kid traveling all alone with his teddy bear through some war zone, and he meets wild dogs. It's great, and I am not sure I can handle reading it again.
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« Reply #56 on: 14 Dec 2008, 05:32 »

I got the vast majority as scans from a freind of mine.

Whedon's Buffy, Angel and Firefly comics are pretty good and it's great to see that such fantastic shows can still have a life after TV. Now, if only Veronica Mars, Deadwood and Carnivale comics could get published.
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« Reply #57 on: 14 Dec 2008, 16:42 »

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« Reply #58 on: 14 Dec 2008, 19:13 »

Doom 2099 was fantastic. What will it take to bring back the 2099 universe?
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« Reply #59 on: 14 Dec 2008, 19:17 »

Anyone read Emperor Vulcan? I really can't wait to get a chance to read the War of Kings storyline.

With an image like this, how can you not be excited?

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« Reply #60 on: 14 Dec 2008, 19:20 »

Kree vs The Inhumans?  Fucking awesome!
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« Reply #61 on: 14 Dec 2008, 21:00 »

Actually, it's more Inhumans/Kree versus Shi'ar as far as the way the plots are leading thus far.
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« Reply #62 on: 14 Dec 2008, 21:18 »

Wowowo, so War of Kings is currently ongoing?  And I have read Secret Invasion already, but Annihilation: Conquest is recommended as well?
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« Reply #63 on: 14 Dec 2008, 21:31 »

Anyone read Emperor Vulcan? I really can't wait to get a chance to read the War of Kings storyline.

With an image like this, how can you not be excited?

...  Wow.  Explosions.  AND titties.  I cannot help but love it.  My excitement level knows no bounds.  The fact there there is some hip and thigh makes it all the more adult, titillating, and awesome.  To the max.  I think I may have to invent a new level of fantastic.  Like whoa.
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« Reply #64 on: 14 Dec 2008, 21:34 »

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Wowowo, so War of Kings is currently ongoing?  And I have read Secret Invasion already, but Annihilation: Conquest is recommended as well?
I've got the scans of it on my computer but like all the comics I got before the end of term, I haven't read it yet. Initially, Gabriel Summers whole I'm-your-long-lost-brother-thing didn't sit well with me but I got over it, that and Alex is fast becomming my favourite Summers.
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« Reply #65 on: 14 Dec 2008, 21:41 »

When you say 'scans' do you mean .cbr files?  Anyway I have the whole series sitting around for me to read.  But if War of Kings is done and I can read it all at once.  It would be awesome.
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« Reply #66 on: 15 Dec 2008, 00:20 »

It finishes in February with the 3rd issue of X-Men: Kingbreaker.

Has R.I.P. fisished yet?
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« Reply #67 on: 15 Dec 2008, 06:53 »

War of Kings has NOT started yet, seeds have been planted.

And in terms of Secret Invasion, I meant the Secret Invasion: Inhumans mini-series, not Secret Invasion proper. Secret Invasion itself is pretty much completely unnecessary in terms of understanding War of Kings. The specific lead-ins, as cited by Marvel, are as follows:

Secret Invasion: Inhumans (Which just wrapped up and deals with the Inhumans' lead-up to the mini)

X-Men: Kingbreaker (Which starts Wednesday and deals with Vulcan, the Shi'ar Empire and the Starjammers)

The current arc of Nova, starting with issue #19 (Dealing with Nova and Darkhawk's involvement)

The current arc of Guardians of the Galaxy (Dealing with their involvement)

As the story establishes, there are four Kings involved. Three have been revealed thus far.

For further reading, which would give background to how most of the players got to their current status quo, some good reading would be, for each set of characters:

Inhumans: Son of M, Silent War, Secret Invasion: Inhumans

Shi'ar: X-Men: Deadly Genesis, X-Men: Rise and Fall of the Shi'ar Empire, X-Men: Emperor Vulcan, X-Men: Kingbreaker

Kree/Negative Zone/Guardians of the Galaxy: Annihilation, Annihilation: Conquest, select issues of Nova and Guardians of the Galaxy

All the relevant info catching you up will likely be contained in recap pages, but if you've got some time to kill and just feel like reading something fun, that's the leadup.

Here's some basic run-down of the main players, major spoilers ahead:

The Inhumans: They're a race of super powered humans created by the alien Kree through a chemical called the Terrigen Mists. They live isolated on the moon, fearing normal humans. After the House of M storyline where 90% of mutants lost their powers permanently (An editorial effort to clean up the over abundance if useless mutants), Quicksilver, the son of Magneto who is also married to an Inhuman, went to them for help. They refuse to give him access to the Terrigen Mists, but he ends up stealing them. Eventually, the U.S. Government gets ahold of them and the Inhumans go to war to get them back. The Inhumans are eventually infiltrated by the Skrulls, one of whom poses as their leader Black Bolt. I'm not sure how this all turns out as I haven't read it, but I do know they recover Black Bolt and he will be one of the "Kings" in the event.

The Shi'ar: This one I'm more familiar with, as I read X-Men routinely. Vulcan, a mutant by the name of Gabriel Summers, appears on Earth shortly after House of M. He was part of a kind of X-Men 1.5, created between the original team and the All New team in the seventies. They were sent to rescue the originals from Krakoa originally, but all were presumed dead. It's revealed that Vulcan and Darwin (Whose power is to basically just evolve automatically to survive, not to fight better, just to survive) survived. Vulcan's origin is revealed as having been Cyclops and Havok's brother, who was born in Shi'ar space after their parents were abducted . After Vulcan learns the extent of his origin, he goes to Shi'ar space to destroy their empire (Followed by Xavier, Darwin, Nightcrawler, Havok, Polaris and Warpath). Over the course of the next twelve issues, he ends up marrying Deathbird, killing Emperor D'ken, his father Corsair and becoming the new Emperor. Havok, Phoenix (Rachel Summers), Polaris and what's left of the Starjammers, as well as former Empress Lilandra, stay in space to fight Vulcan. Vulcan eventually captures Havok and Polaris. That leads us to now. Vulcan is the second king

I don't know much of anything about the Annihilation end of things. All I know is that Annihulus destroyed a large chunk of the Kree and Skrulls Empires before being stopped in the first mini, and then the Phalanx and Ultron further messed up the Kree. Blastaar is said to be the third king, King of the Negative Zone.


In regards to R.I.P., finished...is a subjective term...

Batman R.I.P, in all technicality, finished last month. There has been zero resolution to it, though, and in order to properly understand it, you have to read large chunks of Morrison's Batman run, the current followup "Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader" and the Final Crisis event. All told, I would just as soon skip it if I were you, it was pretty much entirely crap and not even worth a download.

For those who want to know:

Batman's driven insane by a new villain/villain group called the Black Glove, who claims to be his father, Thomas Wayne, referring to himself as Dr. Hurt. Dr. Hurt claims that the shooting was actually arranged, saying that Martha Wayne slept with Alfred in a drug addled orgy, so Thomas paid Joe Chill to kill her and make it look like a mugging, faking his own death. Batman gets hopped up on drugs and thinks he's the Batman of Zur-En-Arrh, another dimension or planet or some other bullshit. He also lives through what is essentially that idiotic cliche of 'i got advice from a kindly old man last night' 'but that kindly old man died last week OMGZ! Was it a ghost or a dream?!' The Black Glove society does some dance thing where rich people bet on whether or not Dr. Hurt can kill Batman. Dr. Hurt kidnaps Nightwing and hires the Joker. Nightwing is about to be lobotomized for about four issues while Joker sits and talks esoterically about nothing for three issues. Batman's girlfriend, whom he told his identity to for some reason that was never really clear, turns out to work for Dr. Hurt and suddenly is a bloodthirsty psycho out of nowhere. Alfred gets beaten up a lot. Joker kills a couple Black Glove members and Batman is drugged and put into a coffin to die. Batman gets out of the coffin and reveals he knew their plan all along and had, years ago, conditioned his mind to have a backup personality (Zur-En-Arrh) in case someone brainwashed him and drove him mad. He knew his girlfriend was a traitor all along too, which doesn't really account for him giving his identity away, but whatevs. He knocks out the power and Nightwing gets away. The Joker laughs and kills a couple more Black Glove people cause he wants to be a member. Batman chases Dr. Hurt to a helicopter and tells Dr. Hurt he's not Thomas Wayne, Dr. Hurt says he is, Batman says he isn't, the helicopter blows up. Batman is now missing for six months and presumed dead. He didn't die in the explosion and why he disappeared will be revealed in Final Crisis OMGZ. So basically, we have six issues of meandering, senseless and illogical bullshit followed by "Oh, by the way, this really doesn't matter, the actual climax happens in Final Crisis. GIVE US MORE MONEY OUR MARKET SHARE IS IN THE SHITTER!"

Yeah. It's pretty much garbage.
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« Reply #68 on: 15 Dec 2008, 07:09 »

I thought Darkhawk was in that picture, I've been wondering what the rest of the Loners have been up to since the end of the series.
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« Reply #69 on: 15 Dec 2008, 07:18 »

It makes me a little sad that there is only one character in that entire picture who I cannot name (The glowy dude that Nova is flying at). I assume he's a member of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard due to his proximity to Gladiator, but that's best guess.
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« Reply #70 on: 15 Dec 2008, 19:29 »

Oh God, R.I.P. sounds worse than Hush.
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« Reply #71 on: 15 Dec 2008, 19:55 »

It makes me a little sad that there is only one character in that entire picture who I cannot name (The glowy dude that Nova is flying at). I assume he's a member of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard due to his proximity to Gladiator, but that's best guess.

I had to do some digging, and even then that is shoddy at best, but my guess is G-Type
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« Reply #72 on: 23 Dec 2008, 03:57 »

Unmitigated successes that are essential:

Watchmen
V For Vendetta
The Invisibles
Bone
Preacher
Transmetropolitan
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« Reply #73 on: 23 Dec 2008, 05:37 »

My best friend bought me Tank Girl vol. 1 for my birthday, and just gave me Watchmen for Christmas. She is the best person in the world, I swear, she's fuelling my geeky loves. Watchmen is so much better when you own it.
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« Reply #74 on: 23 Dec 2008, 10:57 »

Something I just remembered since I picked up the last volume of it, Gotham Central.  Ever wondered what the police does in Batman's city?  WELL WONDER NO MORE.

Pretty damn good read about cops having to deal with often times super powered psychos.  Heavily times in with the the new Spectre and Question comics, and fairly non-sequential.
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« Reply #75 on: 23 Dec 2008, 17:39 »


Joker. Kind of dark but definitely worth the read
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« Reply #76 on: 24 Dec 2008, 08:32 »

I've never really managed to get into American superhero comics. There's a number of reasons, I suppose. The ridiculous costumes, the proliferation of storylines, the ridiculous number of things you have to read to make sense of it all (Obsessions post just above is a perfect example of this). Anyway, to be nationalist, I have noticed that no one's been recommending any 2000AD, apart from one recommendation of The Ballad of Halo Jones, which is utterly, utterly fantastic. I just re-read it last night actually. Cruelly short (only three of a planned ten episodes were produced) but beautifully illustrated and imagined. As for the rest of 2000AD well, obviously,



(this picture never gets old).

Judge Dredd is FUCKING AWESOME. Buy all 11 trade paperbacks now. Start with the first. So very simple! When you've done that, Issues 1-4 of Strontium Dog (plus The Final Solution), and then start buying Rogue Trooper

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« Reply #77 on: 28 Dec 2008, 14:50 »

I think i may be the only person in the world that reads graphic novels that didn't enjoy the watchmen.

Anyway, i'll add my list of reads:

Y the last man
Ex Machina
100 Bullets

I believe all 3 of these have been mentioned already.

Also

30 days of night - comics are just like the movie, but the art is a little more surreal

DMZ - follows a journalist in the demilitarized zone in new york during the second civil war.
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« Reply #78 on: 28 Dec 2008, 14:56 »

I read a bunch of DMZ while I was in the states, it's quality. I'd also like to second The Walking Dead, some damn good zombie stuff.
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« Reply #79 on: 28 Dec 2008, 15:11 »

I think i may be the only person in the world that reads graphic novels that didn't enjoy the watchmen.

You're not alone. I found it was nowhere near worth the hype it's always gotten. It's not bad, per se, I just really don't think it's all that good either.
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« Reply #80 on: 28 Dec 2008, 17:58 »

I think i may be the only person in the world that reads graphic novels that didn't enjoy the watchmen.

You're not alone. I found it was nowhere near worth the hype it's always gotten. It's not bad, per se, I just really don't think it's all that good either.

You two apostates needs must guard your tongues!  I've encountered it in the last few months and it is all that and a bag of potato chips.  The artwork is what really clenches it.  I think Moore's success has undermined him, when it comes to expectations, but Gibbons's artwork is so excellent that you can read it a dozen times and still catch new things... He brought so much to the story that I don't think most people realize.  From one frame to the next...  From one issue to the next...  Throughout the entire series...  Moore provided an excellent framework and Gibbons made it sing.
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« Reply #81 on: 28 Dec 2008, 22:58 »

i just didn't find the story all that enthralling. As for the art, it was dark and dull, I didn't see any edge to it. I'm going to have to go back and read it again because i must be missing something.
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« Reply #82 on: 28 Dec 2008, 22:59 »

I find that multiple read throughs of Watchmen do it justice.  That and when I first read it I was sad it had nothing to do with Superman or Batman.
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« Reply #83 on: 29 Dec 2008, 04:18 »

i just didn't find the story all that enthralling. As for the art, it was dark and dull, I didn't see any edge to it. I'm going to have to go back and read it again because i must be missing something.

Look at the transitions.  From one scene to the next, there's almost always a connection or symmetry.
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« Reply #84 on: 29 Dec 2008, 06:33 »

BK, I've always been a proponent of the idea that something is only truly excellent if it can be deemed as such on time through. If I'm not impressed by something the first time, odds are, I'm not going to go out of my way to do it again.

The story, for its time, I could suppose was revolutionary. Nothing like it had been done before, but so much has been done since that it seems almost quaint that this was once regarded as edgy. Alan Moore's done so much better work, Swamp Thing and Killing Joke spring to mind immediately. It doesn't give us any huge insight to the human condition or any major poignant plot points outside of being a competent satire of the super hero genre. Moore works better when he's making a point rather than just trying to make a pastiche of the genre. There's really no moral here outside of "Boy, Nixon was a twat and people running around in spandex sure are silly."

Gibbons' work is nice and all, but it's really rather standard eighties fare for anyone willing to look further into comics of the era.

It's a cool story and all, but it's probably the single most overrated comic book in history, just ahead of Grant Morrison's run on New X-Men. It may have been innovative, at the time and it has aged reasonably well, but it's honestly not all that great.
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« Reply #85 on: 29 Dec 2008, 10:25 »

There's really no moral here outside of "Boy, Nixon was a twat and people running around in spandex sure are silly."


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« Reply #86 on: 29 Dec 2008, 11:18 »

That Runaways is disposable writing and doesn't need a moral.

I don't mind reading something that's supposed to be nothing more than a few minutes filler I plan on reading while I take a shit. If it's fun it's fun. If I go to Burger King, I expect mediocre but tasty enough food. If someone claims they're serving me filet mignon, I'm going to hold it to a different standard and probably deride it when it turns out I'm getting a reheated T-Bone.

Watchmen is touted as a piece of graphic novel genius and the greatest graphic novel of all time. As it stands, I find it to be incredibly overrated and merely above average reading. The Killing Joke, while about dudes in spandex beating each other up, was an interesting look into the psyche of a sociopath and interesting take on the principle that one bad day can fuck anyone up. Swamp Thing (At least the volumes I've read) is a nice look at the thin line between environmental apathy and extremism. Watchmen, while I can see the point of how a society that lives a long time condoning vigilantism and elevating said vigilantes to a god-like status can lead to disaster, it really doesn't do it for me. It basically is merely a vaguely interesting satire of super hero comic dynamics and nothing more. People just inject a lot of artificial depth into it in an effort to make reading comic books look like less of a juvenile hobby.
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« Reply #87 on: 29 Dec 2008, 11:33 »

BK, I've always been a proponent of the idea that something is only truly excellent if it can be deemed as such one time through. If I'm not impressed by something the first time, odds are, I'm not going to go out of my way to do it again.

Basically, the worst approach to art, ever.
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« Reply #88 on: 29 Dec 2008, 11:39 »

See, I don't get that philosophy. If I feel I'm missing something, but there are enough redeeming qualities that I feel a second look is warranted, by all means, I'll look again. If I find something entirely underwhelming, what possible reason would I have to come back and sink more of my time into it? There is too much to see, read and listen to in this world to constantly revisit something I find subpar. Would you listen to an album you didn't like repeatedly for fear of having "not gotten the point" the first time through? I'm confident enough in my intelligence that if I find something dissatisfying, the onus of it being enjoyable probably doesn't fall on me.
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« Reply #89 on: 29 Dec 2008, 16:19 »

Some albums tend to grow on me... a lot!

That being said, live is too short to suffer through shite, especially when you know there is good stuff out there you could spend your time on.
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« Reply #90 on: 29 Dec 2008, 16:50 »

You see, people constantly cite shit to me that I noticed to an extent reading Watchmen, I've just read enough comics in my day that I really don't find most of the examples all that impressive. Alan Moore didn't invent character development. Again, I'm not saying it's bad, I just don't find it to be all that compelling.

In terms of everyone around me thinking it's a fantastic piece of work being reasoning to read it again, I disagree entirely. Mob mentality doesn't work with me. There was a period of time where everyone around me thought cocaine was pretty keen, but you don't see me reconsidering my desire to give it a shot. If everyone around me told me getting my nuts stomped was an absolute blast, I don't think I'd have to try it twice to realize why it wasn't really for me.
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« Reply #91 on: 29 Dec 2008, 17:57 »

It's kind of funny that you cite The Killing Joke, cause for some reason I found it underwhelming.  Maybe because everyone was telling me I was supposed to love it, but all I saw was yet another origin story for the Joker.  I found the comic with the Phantom Stranger's origin much better.
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« Reply #92 on: 29 Dec 2008, 20:24 »

The thing is Jon, the fact that you think there's no moral to watchman beyond not liking Nixon and taking the piss out of superheroes is pretty strong evidence that you didn't understand the plot or dialogue.

At all.
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« Reply #93 on: 30 Dec 2008, 00:55 »

Going through life riding on your first impressions leaves you with a lot of missed opportunities,in my opinion.
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« Reply #94 on: 30 Dec 2008, 06:26 »

Khar, if you'[re so dead set on the idea that I don't get it, explain it to me. I've got three people breathing down my neck that I 'just didn't get it,' but not a one of who has cited shit worth of what there is to get beyond the things I already noticed and found trivial.

lprkn, that's a pretty terrible analogy. It would be valid if I read the first chapter, decided I didn't care for it and put it down. I read through the entire thing, didn't care for it and then made what I feel is the reasonable choice of not sitting through something I didn't enjoy twice. All I'm getting from you is shit analogies and an incessant prodding that I should sit through something I found subpar multiple times and cross my fingers that maybe, just maybe, I'll enjoy it this time.
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« Reply #95 on: 30 Dec 2008, 06:39 »

Because it would be much simpler and more rewarding to you for you to read it again?

Okay:

1) It's asking whether the concept of an incorruptible hero makes any sense in a realistic setting.

2) It's asking whether it is better for people to give up their responsibility to shadowy, powerful agents (either governments or heroes) or to take their lives in their own hands and probably fail spectacularly.

There's also the central struggle between the two horrifying forms of idealism represented by Veidt and Rorschach. Also, furthermore, I think you'll find that there isn't really that much of the 'spandex and superheroes are silly ololol'. Watchmen just tries to make everything a bit more realistic, and the comments some people make about superheroes are fairly accurate to what things would be like if people ran around in tight costumes beating people up in the real world. But the emotional complexity, especially around the two Nite Owl characters, is far and beyond just taking the piss.
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« Reply #96 on: 30 Dec 2008, 06:58 »

I'll admit that the "superheroes are silly" remark is an oversimplification, but it's the shortest and simplest way of conveying it. I'm not saying that Watchmen is conveying that reading about superheroes is silly (Which has always been more of a Grant Morrison thing than an Alan Moore thing), he's conveying that the idea of trusting superheroes to work within our best interests is silly, which is, as I noted, a simplification of the two points you make. The failure of the corruptible hero and the onus of responsibility in a society with superheroes both fall under the "super heroes are silly" point I observed before. I find this to be merely adequate satire than any brilliant point. The idea's been showing up in literature for years and showed up in simpler terms in various comics before Watchmen ever saw print. I just don't see it as any revolutionary genius, just a pretty alright satire that read pretty mundane to me.

Sure, maybe if I read it in 1985, I might have enjoyed it more. I even tried to put myself into the context of the time and what I know of it in an effort to enjoy it more, but it didn't happen.
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« Reply #97 on: 30 Dec 2008, 09:01 »

But the point is the only incorruptible hero is the most dangerous one.
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« Reply #98 on: 30 Dec 2008, 11:36 »

It's kind of funny that you cite The Killing Joke, cause for some reason I found it underwhelming.

yeah, i was a little disappointed as well. i was really looking forward to it because it's held in such high regard but as soon as i opened it up i was like "uh i don't know about this art" and after reading it was not very impressed. i'll probably read it a couple more times just to be sure (since it's so damn short) but yeah...underwhelming.
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« Reply #99 on: 30 Dec 2008, 11:41 »

Clearly From Hell is the place to go for Alan Moore.  Seriously.

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