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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #50 on: 28 Dec 2008, 16:10 »

Whale noises and ten minute long songs thats how

That's not prog, that's just pretentious art-fuckery, which is not specific to any genre.

BTW, I love me some Sigur Ros, because I am a pretentious art fuck.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #51 on: 29 Dec 2008, 00:57 »

All of a Sudden I Miss Everyone by Explosions in the Sky
Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven by Godspeed You! Black Emperor
Young Team by Mogwai
( ) by Sigur Ros
Note: Meš Suš Ķ Eyrum Viš Spilum Endalaust works. Was the first CD I got by them and I enjoyed it.

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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #52 on: 29 Dec 2008, 03:01 »

The lastest Maserati album Inventions for the New Season is pretty good, and it's said to be proggy, though I don't really know what that means.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #53 on: 29 Dec 2008, 06:47 »

Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven by Explosions in the Sky

This is actually by Godspeed You! Black Emperor.  I'm only correcting you because i made a similar mistake earlier in this thread :wink:
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #54 on: 29 Dec 2008, 07:58 »

Now hang on a second - I don't think you guys are being fair to this eddie chap.

What are the actual specific differences between prog and post-rock?

They both have long songs, lenthy instrumentals, jams, a lot of live recording, bowed guitars, etc. But what are the differences, other than one is cooler than the other at the moment? I mean, listening to the bands from each it's extremely easy to tell the difference, but I couldn't for the life of you write it down, and I plan on making a living doing such things.

So how about we stop shoving our knowledge in people's faces and help each other out here, in the spirit of the season.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #55 on: 29 Dec 2008, 11:41 »

I can try to put it into words.

Prog that I have heard seems to be more complex at any given time. Post can be complex over the course of the song, but tends to be much simpler in any sample of the song that you might hear.

That's the best way that I can put it, and I'm sure there are flaws, but I think it's better than not being able to put it into words at all.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #56 on: 29 Dec 2008, 12:00 »

From a simply music history perspective, Prog developed in the 60's and 70's when artists began to bring more classical, jazz, and world music influences to the rock music they played, and was also heavily influenced by psychedelia.  I would imagine that much of the music we call prog today is either from this period or influenced by the artists of this period.  The Post-rock that we know today grew more out of the the post-hardcore and indie rock traditions of the late 80's.

I agree with what Nodaisho stated above me, and I think this may be partially due to the fact that many bands classified as post-rock seem to be more concerned with texture and timbre than bands classified as prog.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #57 on: 29 Dec 2008, 12:48 »

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I appreciate your efforts, but basically, in short, the answer is 'hardly any real difference at all, actually.' At least not quantifiably.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #58 on: 29 Dec 2008, 13:47 »

What people used to call "math rock" in the 90s/00s (Polvo, Chavez, 90 Day Men, early Built to Spill, etc.) is much closer to prog than any post-rock.  Funky time signatures, weird chords, angular riffs, etc.  Most modern post-rock uses very simple, basic chords and melodies to create an overall mood rather than having any one bit of the song stand out.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #59 on: 29 Dec 2008, 14:00 »

Bingo. Of course, there will be parts of post-rock songs that stand out, that is going to happen unless you do something ridiculously plain and boring, the same chord over and over at the same length for the entirety of the song.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #60 on: 29 Dec 2008, 20:06 »

Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven by Explosions in the Sky

This is actually by Godspeed You! Black Emperor.  I'm only correcting you because i made a similar mistake earlier in this thread :wink:
Oops. Oh well I fixed my post. Stupid mistake but I think we'll all get over it.

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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #61 on: 05 Jan 2009, 15:45 »

I'll try my hand at distinguishing between Prog and Post rock.

Firstly, we must not forget that Post rock is strongly influenced by Progressive rock which, by necessity, makes Post rock and Prog rock share several musical elements.

However, to listen to both genres, one detects a distinct difference. While Progressive rock likes to play with conventional song structure, and draws much of its musical inspiration from jazz and freeform styles of music, Post rock seems to (by and large, I recognize that there are exceptions) take its melodic inspiration from later styles, like punk (and its offshoots), metal, and shoegazer. Progressive rock, while undoubtedly branching off from conventional rock, tends to use modest guitar tones, which put an emphasis on the clarity of the guitar sound. This is mostly because Prog focuses on complex, difficult styles of guitar playing, that are meant to be representative of the player's ability. Post rock does not necessarily use complex guitarwork - in fact, most bands of the genre use a riff structure, as opposed to the solo structure approach of Prog. Additionally, virtually all Post rock bands make heavy use of guitar effects, and stray to the emotive side of the scale (in effect, sacrificing complexity for emotional atmosphere).

Granted, these differences may seem semantic and picky, but the difference is quite obvious to anyone who devotes time listening to both genres.

Hope that helps.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #62 on: 05 Jan 2009, 23:10 »

Hey, you can download Sydney post-rock lovelies sleepmakeswaves' EP In Today Already Walks Tomorrow for free here or here.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #63 on: 06 Jan 2009, 10:23 »

while the moaning about prog vs post rock has subsided im going to toss out a few names,
worlds end girlfriend
up dharma down
yndi halda
65daysofstatic
all pretty decent post-rock bands but I want to know what others think of them.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #64 on: 06 Jan 2009, 10:39 »

I think the bowed guitar makes the whale sounds. o0.
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« Reply #65 on: 06 Jan 2009, 11:41 »

Yndi Halda and 65dos are both pretty awesome.  Don't know the other two, haven't checked Sirenssound in a while.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #66 on: 06 Jan 2009, 11:48 »

has Rururu been mentioned yet?


if not, i am very disappointed in all of you.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #67 on: 06 Jan 2009, 16:26 »


worlds end girlfriend

yndi halda
65daysofstatic


These are all excellent bands! I don't know about up dharma down though, I've never heard of them. And Ru Ru Ru kicks ass.

Dimmukane pick up the World's End Girlfriend and Mono collaboration. It's fucking boss.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #68 on: 06 Jan 2009, 16:44 »


worlds end girlfriend

yndi halda
65daysofstatic


These are all excellent bands! I don't know about up dharma down though, I've never heard of them. And Ru Ru Ru kicks ass.

Dimmukane pick up the World's End Girlfriend and Mono collaboration. It's fucking boss.
up dharma down are a weird band to try and classify, the more I look into them the less i know where they fit. however they are most certainly worth checking out.
as for the collaboration yes it bloody well is.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #69 on: 06 Jan 2009, 17:25 »

Is it in the mediafire thread?  Or on iTunes?  I have an iTunes gift card and I have no idea what to buy that I don't already have.
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« Reply #70 on: 06 Jan 2009, 19:08 »

Actually it is in the mediafire thread. I had to dig a little but it came up!

http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php/topic,19792.msg590276.html#msg590276
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #71 on: 07 Jan 2009, 05:14 »

So umm...allmusic states Fugazi as a post-hardcore band. If this is the case, then why the fuck has no one mentioned their album 13 Songs? "The Waiting Room" has to be one of my all-time favorite songs.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #72 on: 07 Jan 2009, 07:22 »

Man, 13 Songs is a good album but it is by far their weakest overall. Try In On The Kill Taker.

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« Reply #73 on: 07 Jan 2009, 11:12 »

13 Songs has "Margin Walker" which is the most awesome song ever, though.

But their best album is easily Red Medicine.  Get with it, people.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #74 on: 08 Jan 2009, 06:45 »

Irregardless, Fugazi is a fucking awesome band that requires listening. I hope that can be agreed upon...

and spellchecker counts irregardless as a word  :-D
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #75 on: 08 Jan 2009, 06:50 »

13 Songs has "Margin Walker" which is the most awesome song ever, though.

But their best album is easily Red Medicine.  Get with it, people.


So easily.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #76 on: 08 Jan 2009, 07:58 »

Irregardless, Fugazi is a fucking awesome band that requires listening. I hope that can be agreed upon...

and spellchecker counts irregardless as a word  :-D

Spellchecker is wrong. Use logic.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #77 on: 08 Jan 2009, 17:14 »

Grails.  The sickest, hardrockin' post-rock band out there, IMO.
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« Reply #78 on: 08 Jan 2009, 17:25 »

holy shit i forgot about Grails
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« Reply #79 on: 08 Jan 2009, 17:34 »

Man for some reason, I can never get into Grails. What am I doing wrong guys?
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #80 on: 08 Jan 2009, 17:43 »

did you listen to the song "Reincarnation Blues" on Doomsdayer's Holiday?

if not, that might explain it because that song is fucking sweet.
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« Reply #81 on: 09 Jan 2009, 11:49 »

Grails are great but they're pretty far from the "hardest rocking" post-rock band.  A lot of their stuff is downright mellow, such as pretty much the entirety of Take Refuge in Clean Living.
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« Reply #82 on: 16 Jan 2009, 00:37 »

Nobody's mentioned A Silver Mt. Zion yet?  :-P
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« Reply #83 on: 16 Jan 2009, 03:13 »

The one thing I've surmised from this thread is that Fugazi never made anything except amazing albums.
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« Reply #84 on: 16 Jan 2009, 11:18 »

Destroyalldreamers is a good band that i had completely forgetton about until yesterday.

check it out.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #85 on: 19 Jan 2009, 14:25 »

EVERYONE GO DOWNLOAD RISE SOUL OF THE PHOENIX'S "RELEASE THE DRONES" FROM THE mediaf!re THREAD RIGHT NOW

it's like 65daysofstatic and grails had a baby.

a super baby that can fly and shoot lasers out of its eyes

EDITED: i guess i just subconsciously decided that "rise of the phoenix" sounds so much more rad than "soul"
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« Reply #86 on: 19 Jan 2009, 14:28 »

damnit, jackie. now my tongue hurts!


...because i stepped on it.

...because it was hanging out of my mouth.

...because "release the drones" is so fucking sweet.
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« Reply #87 on: 19 Jan 2009, 15:16 »

EVERYONE GO DOWNLOAD RISE OF THE PHOENIX'S "RELEASE THE DRONES" FROM THE mediaf!re THREAD RIGHT NOW

it's like 65daysofstatic and grails had a baby.

a super baby that can fly and shoot lasers out of its eyes


u mean soul of the phoenix, right?  but yeah, that album is the absolute tits, it's been getting some heavy listenage here!

also, i'm totally gonna work on getting more Fugazi albums,  i've got 13 songs and repeater+3, and although the vocals are a bit of an acquired taste, they're both pretty solid.
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Re: Good postrock bands?
« Reply #88 on: 20 Jan 2009, 14:16 »

God is an Astronaut and Tortoise have been tragically overlooked in this thread.
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« Reply #89 on: 20 Jan 2009, 20:17 »

No, we just linked to places where people could get that stuff instead of mentioning it by name.
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« Reply #90 on: 21 Jan 2009, 01:42 »

I'm going to go ahead and shoot the elephant in the room here and say that Tortoise are incredibly overrated.

Wait!  I really, really enjoy their first three albums, BUT!  In the greater context of my musical library/listening experience, they are, in retrospect, one of those bands that was great at the time but who, after over a decade, have become a band I consider more "influential" or "name-dropped" than flat-out good.
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« Reply #91 on: 21 Jan 2009, 11:01 »

So I just unearthed a fucking gem out from the unplumbed depths of my collection (I often get music that I don't end up listening to until weeks or months later).  "Bad Vibrations" by My Education is some of the best post-rock I've ever heard in my life.  To the mediaf!re thread!

(I did a search and it turns out that mberan mentioned this album in a previous "recommend post-rock" thread as well.)
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« Reply #92 on: 21 Jan 2009, 12:09 »

I'm going to go ahead and shoot the elephant in the room here and say that Tortoise are incredibly overrated.

Wait!  I really, really enjoy their first three albums, BUT!  In the greater context of my musical library/listening experience, they are, in retrospect, one of those bands that was great at the time but who, after over a decade, have become a band I consider more "influential" or "name-dropped" than flat-out good.


They are still incredible to see live, though.
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« Reply #93 on: 21 Jan 2009, 12:37 »

13 Songs has "Margin Walker" which is the most awesome song ever, though.

But their best album is easily Red Medicine.  Get with it, people.


picked up Red Medicine.  shit's GOOOOOOOOOOOD.
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« Reply #94 on: 21 Jan 2009, 12:50 »

So I just unearthed a fucking gem out from the unplumbed depths of my collection (I often get music that I don't end up listening to until weeks or months later).  "Bad Vibrations" by My Education is some of the best post-rock I've ever heard in my life.  To the mediaf!re thread!

This.

THIS SHIT.

RIGHT HERE, PEOPLE.
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« Reply #95 on: 23 Jan 2009, 12:59 »

Mono
Worlds End Girlfriend
This Will Destroy You

and of course


Godspeed You! Black Emperor
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« Reply #96 on: 14 Apr 2009, 03:47 »

AFter last week's show I think God Is An Astronaut is possibly going to be my favourite post-rock band.

It was beautiful, emotional and downright unsettlingly earthshatteringly loud.
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« Reply #97 on: 14 Apr 2009, 03:56 »

Is it possible for one post to undo all the Godspeed recommendations? Because they are seriously bad. Also all GYBE side projects suck (glaring at you, ASMZ). Also1! Yndi Halda are shit but I don't know if anyone's rec-d them yet. Just cancelling them out in case someone has.

Seconding Destroyalldreamers, despite the lack of spaces in the name they've done some pretty awesome.

Otherwise I just listen to all the classics. You only need so much 8 minute long songs with quiet/loud dynamics and the like before you've heard them all.
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« Reply #98 on: 14 Apr 2009, 08:30 »

Oh man do I love over-generalizing!
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« Reply #99 on: 14 Apr 2009, 15:13 »

Is it possible for one post to undo all the Godspeed recommendations? Because they are seriously bad. Also all GYBE side projects suck (glaring at you, ASMZ).

Fail.
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