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[Felrender]

I've accidentally hit the prompt to enter wizard mode a few times, and I finally decided to try it on purpose. It is really, really awesome, even if your game isn't scored afterwards. You can't even die without your permission.

Wait, what the hell is wizard mode?

[Trollstormur]

yeah seriously what the shit is that?

[Vendetagainst]

It lets you augment your weapons, your skills, your level, your stats, you can generate any item in the game, and every time you die you're asked "Die?" and if you say no your health is refilled and you keep on doing what you're doing.

Also a whole bunch of other awesome stuff


The command for it is "&"

[Trollstormur]

wow, that's crazy. I'll have to pass this on.

[Trollstormur]

I figured out through the saves trick you can give hacked weapons/items made in wizard mode to legit chars.

I AM UNSTOPPABLE

[snalin]

Would it be possible, if you really wanted to break the point of the game, to save and quit every level, and make a backup of the save folder? Then, if you die, you could just copy back the save and play from the last time you saved, right?

[SirJuggles]

Mua-ha-ha. You people finally talked me into downloading and trying this while I'm hanging out IM'ing people.

After a few terrible defeats, I just wasted an Orc mob+wizard, a few snakes, and the ghost of my previous best character, a summoner. I am growing fond of this Mountain Dwarf Paladin, especially with his +3 +3 Scimitar of Holy Wrath and Amulet of the Gourmand that he picked up on level 4 

edit: I don't want to just be pointlessly bragging. Is there any actual use for Scrolls of Noise? I just end up dropping them once I identify them.

[snalin]

Well, some fire spells burn the scrolls in your inventory, so having worthless scrolls as a buffer against the good scrolls being burned might be a good idea.

[Vendetagainst]

Would it be possible, if you really wanted to break the point of the game, to save and quit every level, and make a backup of the save folder? Then, if you die, you could just copy back the save and play from the last time you saved, right?

Yes, just ctrl+c the entire save folder and paste it into a folder outside of your Cave file. That's what I did for my Deus character when I decided he would be my crazy cheatin' character.

[Alex C]

Well, the manual says scrolls are the only way to learn spellcasting if you didn't start with it, so in theory I guess you could stockpile scrolls of noise & scrolls of random uselessness until you have a whole mess of experience points laying around and bootstrap your way up to basic spellcasting. Personally, I've never really tried it.


P.S. Seeing this thread made me start up another new game, which led to my demon spawn character dying to the first armed kobold he ran into because the bloody thing had a Dagger of Holy Wrath. This kinda thing is exactly why I don't usually play melee characters.

[SirJuggles]

Oh, I guess that was a teleport scroll then...

Well fuck me running.

[Ozymandias]

Dudes, this is a thing I learned today:

Don't use edged weapons on hydras.

[Alex C]

Ahaha, yeah, the first time I encountered a hydra was with a fire elementalist. Reaction: "Wow, that was easier than I thought!".  The second time was with a maces/flails wielding dwarf. Reaction: "LOL, Hydras. Why are they even worth so much xp?". Unfortunately, the third time was with an axe wielding minotaur. Reaction: "WTF!? I should have remembered my goddam Greek myths."

[Jace]

I can't get wizard mode to work. 

[snalin]

Who said it was allowed to have two shafts in a row dropping you from level 4 to 8? 


Does anyone know how to remap keys? The ^ (religion) button doesn't work, it's a shift key on my keyboard, and when I press it, the screen just flickers. I get into the religion screen sometimes, if I press it fifty times in a row.

[el_loco_avs]

Who said it was allowed to have two shafts in a row dropping you from level 4 to 8? 


Does anyone know how to remap keys? The ^ (religion) button doesn't work, it's a shift key on my keyboard, and when I press it, the screen just flickers. I get into the religion screen sometimes, if I press it fifty times in a row.

I have to press ^ and then spacebar to get there.

[The extra letter]

Oh, this is sucking away my time.

So absurdly fun. It reminds me of a more complex version of Castle of the Winds back in the Windows 3.1 era.

I'm having a great lark playing as Vampire assassins. Poison needles are fun, but you die so easily...

[Ozymandias]

^ Fuck yeah, Castle of the Winds.

Loved that game.

Especially the fact that your character from the first one carried over to the second.

[SirJuggles]

Man the "good random" function is not my friend. And yet I feel lame playing as a butt-kicking Mountain Dwarf Paladin every time...

[The extra letter]

^ Fuck yeah, Castle of the Winds.

Loved that game.

Especially the fact that your character from the first one carried over to the second.

Well, the creator has made it legal to distribute if you're interested.

http://www.exmsft.com/~ricks/

This is one of THE games of my childhood.

[el_loco_avs]

So yeah I started cheating with the saved games.


My paladin had some ridiculously difficult areas to go through man. Mobbed by orcs and hounds and some uberstrong named ghost.

And I think there's an unbeatable(at the moment for him) named Ogre or something. it two-shotted me twice now already.


Also. Following the Shining One ofcourse. Aaaaand I find the Sword of Summer or something. Awesome. and Evil.

D'oh!

[Alex C]

Re: Orcs & canines.

I think I've died to wargs more than just about anything. They're just barely fast and powerful enough to take me out after suckering me into taking on more critters than I really should have. Many has been the game where I'm standing in front of a veritable mountain of corpses only to die to the last warg, often while the damn thing is a single blow away from kissing canvas. Stupid mutts.

[el_loco_avs]

I've managed to get past all those evil things now. Progressing...

[DVS]

I figured out through the saves trick you can give hacked weapons/items made in wizard mode to legit chars.

I AM UNSTOPPABLE

WTF how?

[Vendetagainst]

Put yo shit in the temple, leave, save the file, go back as new character, enter & leave temple, replace file.

[DVS]

Put yo shit in the temple, leave, save the file, go back as new character, enter & leave temple, replace file.

Okay explain as if i were a retard.
1.Put stuff in temple?
2.Save?
3.???
4.Profit?

[Vendetagainst]

Go into the temple
Drop your created weapons onto the floor
Leave the temple
look for your temple file in your save folder (will end in 01B)
copy that file and paste it in an external folder (of your own creation)
Play new game (w/o wizard)
find and enter temple
exit temple
replace 01B file with previous one

Someone more articulate may need to fix my post though.

[el_loco_avs]

aaaah. weird that the temple has its own savefile O_o

[DVS]

Go into the temple
Drop your created weapons onto the floor
Leave the temple
look for your temple file in your save folder (will end in 01B)
copy that file and paste it in an external folder (of your own creation)
Play new game (w/o wizard)
find and enter temple
exit temple
replace 01B file with previous one

Someone more articulate may need to fix my post though.

makes sense, thanks chap.

[ecology]

ello chaps you guys helped me by giving me that temple save in return i offer you my godly charicter

http://rapidshare.com/files/206678690/abyss.rar.html

you will need winrar to get it

[DVS]

ello chaps you guys helped me by giving me that temple save in return i offer you my godly charicter

http://rapidshare.com/files/206678690/abyss.rar.html

you will need winrar to get it

no thanks, i only needed an amulet of the gourmand. other than that i play legit

[Netjak]

awesome game but fucking hard.

best char got to level 4 of orcish mines was a kobold berserker that got wtfpwnd by a iron troll after owning 400 orcs and other shit with
2 headed ogre summon shit from trog/black bear but basically yeah that was stupidity on my part as i was exhausted and couldnt berserk
also had a sweet weapon like +5/+3 hellfire sword of death that let me turn invisible and drained and protected and other shit

and all my other 3000 characters died before level 7

[thaddeus423]

Go into the temple
Drop your created weapons onto the floor
Leave the temple
look for your temple file in your save folder (will end in 01B)
copy that file and paste it in an external folder (of your own creation)
Play new game (w/o wizard)
find and enter temple
exit temple
replace 01B file with previous one

Someone more articulate may need to fix my post though.

I know I am really, really digging up an old thread here, but Google brought me here, and no one else seems to be interested in editing the game except for you guys. My main question with this post is if it still works? There's been some version updates since then and I'm wondering in they changed the way the save games are represented, or saved. Also, what program did you use to open said save games? Hopefully someone out there still remembers this game. Lots of fun. Thanks.

[SirJuggles]

That trick is actually a variation of the technique know as "save scumming", which is when you go in and copy your character's files, making it possible to "save" a game that you're not supposed to. There's a few more resources on the internet for that. I'm pretty sure it still works, at least as recently as version 0.7, which is what I'm running. The only challenge is that they moved around the locations of the save files, so you may have to do some digging to find the file where the levels for each character are stored.

[rooboodude]

I hate to necro the thread for a second time, but the google spider has apparently spun its web here as well.

I read up and down the interesting interactions you folks have had here, and I must admit that I've not had an issue with sigmund.  On the other hand, I AM curious to see if anybody here knows how to port the unique location saves (like the ecumenical temple) in order to copy items from one character to another.  It would appear the savedata was changed from one location to another in v0.9.

[Alex C]

Unless you google everything obsessively or are otherwise aware of his reputation a D:2 or D:3 Sigmund has a great chance of killing a character if that's the first time you've seen him. Only Grinder really compares that early, and for the same reason: if you get hit with Paralysis or Confuse things just may be out of your hands.

[snalin]

I never really have big problems with Sigmund if I'm rolling a fighter type - high health, high damage, but low level mages or sneaky types don't really have the hp or damage output at that point to take him down if you don't want to spend potions or wands you really want to save for later. On the other hand, he's so early on that you'll probably loose your character anyways, so it might be best to just guts on going straight for the kill.

I found one of those super-cursed axes the other day, it was AWESOME. It kills pretty much anything, but doesn't allow you to run away. That wasn't a problem until I met the unique guy with a spear(or something) of banishment. Not being able to run away in the abyss is pretty much a death sentence.

[rooboodude]

I've played mostly death knights and assassins from this point, and have avoided mages, although I'm looking into trying one out.  Due to my use of allies and whatnot, I'd assume that's where my level of ease is rising from.

[Alex C]

One thing to keep in mind is that Sigmund pretty much has no defenses whatsoever, so if you are level 2 or 3 and have access to Evaporate or Mephitic Cloud you can often score some easy xp off a cheap kill. I like to just try the one cloud/evaporate and if the spell fails I summon a chump blocker to eat his projectiles so I can leg it for the stairs in relative peace. It's quite a safe tactic and the only times he's ever really gotten me are when I was sloppy and was waltzing around as a wounded dark elf. Really, the things that worry me most when getting mages of all stripes off the ground and running are probably centaur packs, orc priests, spiny frogs and Prince Ribbit. The first two are nasty because of arrows of dispersal and smite targeting respectively while frogs are apparently just big ol' douche bags in crawl and are likely to spawn during the awkward period in which you're outgrowing your first spell book but you still have quite a few turns to go before your god gift books kick in.

[retpocileh]

Big necro attempt here... As previously mentioned the save scumming/item swapping method worked as far back as 0.7. Its now up to version 0.11... Is there still a way to move items from one character to another? I did notice the game uses a .cs file to save your characters data, but have not been successful at prying it open to take a look (even a c# editor comes up with garbage O.o). Regards, Retpocileh.

[de_la_Nae]

Oh man.

Oh man, oh man oh man. This game.

Now it's been months since I've played, but I really got into Spriggan Assassins who follow the uh...plant god. Don't remember his name. Being a Spriggan Assassin is overpowered in the first third of the dungeon enough, but the religious abilities go a long way towards fixing your obvious weaknesses (you vs. undead/constructs/etc), and boosting your strengths (run around willy nilly and backstab things while they're busy with your fungal posse).