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« on: 08 Jan 2009, 11:04 »

So Mickey Rourke and Sam Rockwell to play the villans in Iron Man 2.

Colour me excited.

Article here.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #1 on: 08 Jan 2009, 11:23 »

This is good news.
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« Reply #2 on: 08 Jan 2009, 12:09 »

This is AMAZING news.
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« Reply #3 on: 08 Jan 2009, 12:12 »

This is STUPENDOUS news.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #4 on: 08 Jan 2009, 12:57 »

This is MOST FANTASMAGORICAL!
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #5 on: 08 Jan 2009, 12:58 »

'Nuff said.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #6 on: 08 Jan 2009, 13:11 »

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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #7 on: 08 Jan 2009, 13:11 »

Sorry, guys; I ejaculated just a little bit. That tends to make me kind of sleepy.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #8 on: 08 Jan 2009, 13:27 »

I'm thinking it might be. Justin Hammer, in the comics, was a rival CEO. Obidiah Stane was as well, as opposed to a peer in Stark Enterprises.

My guess is that Hammer will be used similarly to how Stane was in the comics. In the comics, Stane used Tony's drinking problem to get him ousted from the company before taking it over and driving Stark into homelessness, which resulted in Jim Rhodes becoming Iron Man.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #9 on: 08 Jan 2009, 13:31 »

I...I really don't know if that's sarcasm.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #10 on: 08 Jan 2009, 14:15 »

He WAS a huge alkie in the comics. He wouldn't even get suited up without a few glasses of scotch for a long while.
While I think that'd be a cool angle to tackle of Tony's personality in the sequel, I think they should be playing up more how much of a futurist Tony is. They introduced the Initiative at the end of the last movie. Tony should really be concerned with how much that's going to affect him. Plus, being an outed superhero and the head of a major weapons-manufacturing company... there's a lot of story potential there. But then again, it might be "more human" to show that the only way Tony can really cope with all that stress is by drinking excessively...
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #11 on: 08 Jan 2009, 14:42 »

Isn't Stark's alcoholism one of the things he's known for? Like, I don't really know shit about the Iron Man series, but I know that much.

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« Reply #12 on: 08 Jan 2009, 14:48 »

Yeah, it's really well known, because it was a problem of his for a long time, and ended in the mid-late 90's, as part of the whole "heroes shouldn't do drugs or be alkies"- movement by Marvel.

But yeah, Toyfare, for example, still considers Iron Man a drunk, and constantly displays him as such. It's just better that way.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #13 on: 08 Jan 2009, 16:02 »

Isn't Stark's alcoholism one of the things he's known for? Like, I don't really know shit about the Iron Man series, but I know that much.

Like Hank Pym and wife beating.
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« Reply #14 on: 08 Jan 2009, 16:33 »

Man, I am sick of seeing Hank Pym being synonymous with wife beating.  Wasn't he mind controlled when it happened?  Plus, dude made Ultron.  There is no mistake bigger then that.

But Crimson Dynamo, fuck yeah.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #15 on: 08 Jan 2009, 18:57 »

Seeing as Wasp (Janet) is dead now it'll probably stop.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #16 on: 08 Jan 2009, 19:39 »

This movie is gonna be fantastic.

Iron Man 3 is gonna suuuuuuuck.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #17 on: 08 Jan 2009, 23:08 »

Grrrrr franchises.  Speaking of which, there's probably a Harry Potter 6 thread that I haven't seen yet.

Anyway, real discussion:  Iron Man gave me the title of "Irate Nerd".  Basically, it's not fair that Stark is just a genius and cool and handsome and has good hair.  It's like Edward Cullen grew up and got a beard (and still glitters in the sunlight).  Anyway, I'm not into action flicks.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #18 on: 09 Jan 2009, 10:43 »

Because man, alcoholism is so attractive and enviable!

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« Reply #19 on: 09 Jan 2009, 11:12 »

I don't imagine the tone is going to shift too drastically. Iron Man 1 was practically airless. Which was the appeal.
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« Reply #20 on: 09 Jan 2009, 12:00 »

Grrrrr franchises.

Yeah, I mean really, who wants to see stories continued?  Fuck that.

You know what really piss me off?  Trilogies.  Man, they're so pretentious.  "Oh look, there's three of us."  Oooo.
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« Reply #21 on: 09 Jan 2009, 12:12 »

I do sort of understand why someone may be put off a bit by a comic book movie franchise. By and large, the big name comic book characters tend to be stuck in an eternal second act of sorts. A real sense of closure isn't something they're typically very good at providing, so I can understand why a more typical movie fan who likes their loose ends tucked away neatly would find the idea of a full-on extended franchise somewhat irritating.
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« Reply #22 on: 09 Jan 2009, 12:45 »

they should just end every super hero movie like James Bond:


"______, you need a vacation. "

(camera pans to shot of superhero _____ basking on a sunny beach)

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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #23 on: 09 Jan 2009, 13:40 »

I think it would be interesting to explore Tony Stark's alcoholism in a later movie, but not Iron Man 2.  He just outed himself, he's still pretty new to all this, and the next big thing is watching Pepper mop up after him?  No fun.  Let's establish the character just a bit more before we wreck him, can't we?

RDJ is a huge Iron Man fan and said he'd do 17 Iron Man movies if they asked him.  Yeah, he was probably exaggerating, but I'm thinking maybe Iron Man 3 or 4, if the series gets that far, would be time for him to become a lush.  Not right after he's established himself as the coolest guy on the planet.
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« Reply #24 on: 09 Jan 2009, 17:49 »

Because man, alcoholism is so attractive and enviable!

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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #25 on: 09 Jan 2009, 18:49 »

I just re-watched and it tonight with my mom, she'd never seen it, and he had a drink almost every time he was on screen.

I'm still a little disappointed that Terrence Howard won't come back.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #26 on: 10 Jan 2009, 10:48 »

I was hoping for some motherfuckin' War Machine. I wanted Terrence Howard first, then I realized that Don Cheadle will probably also be a badass War Machine, but I guess it is too soon to think about any of that.
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« Reply #27 on: 10 Jan 2009, 14:12 »

Terrence Howard has a reputation as being kind of a bitch. Not surprising to learn he walked away from what is essentially a meal ticket for life.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #28 on: 10 Jan 2009, 14:41 »

I was looking forward to seeing Terence Howard in the sequel too, but Don Cheadle is an excellent replacement, hell they could have gone for Eddie Murphy at the end of the day!

Apparently part of the difficulty over him coming back is because he was the highest paid actor in Iron Man, (he signed on before Downey Jnr.), and he wasn't prepared to take a cut for the sequel.

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« Reply #29 on: 10 Jan 2009, 15:17 »

Howard to Cheadle is actually quite a step up, acting-wise. Unfortunately Cheadle probably won't be able to ooze testosterone like Howard can.
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« Reply #30 on: 10 Jan 2009, 15:39 »

Doesn't matter, Don Cheadle is quite awesome and will continue to be quite awesome.
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« Reply #31 on: 11 Jan 2009, 15:29 »

I like Cheadle better than Howard too, so it'll be cool.  It'll take like 10 seconds to adjust to him being Rhodie, if that.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #32 on: 11 Jan 2009, 22:34 »

AS LONG AS EVERYONE LOOKS AND ACTS AND DOES PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING THEY DID IN THE FIRST FILM IRON MAN 2 WILL WIN AND THE WORLD WILL BE AT PEACE.

In all seriousness, I think the alcoholism arc is a bit early for a 1st sequel. Maybe they could pull off a Dark Knight and make all the big problems happen near the end to set up for a 2nd sequel. =P
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #33 on: 12 Jan 2009, 13:19 »

The way they set the franchise up (Fun!  Humor!  Booze!  Chicks!  METAL (literally)!) I would be okay with them never dealing with Stark being an "alcoholic".  I don't want the Hollywood trend of "we can't show good guys smoking cigarettes anymore because that corrupts our youth" to cross over into "we can't show a grown man down a Scotch".
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #34 on: 12 Jan 2009, 13:25 »

So you'd sacrifice what is probably the best character arc Tony Stark ever had in an attempt to make booze seem more okay?

Booze doesn't need lobbyists, we all know how much fun it can be. I want to see Tony Stark piloting the armor drunk and the repercussions exhibiting why that is a terrible fucking idea.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #35 on: 12 Jan 2009, 13:32 »

It's a good arc for Iron Man the character.

It's not a good arc for Iron Man the Movie Franchise.

See also: the emo trainwreck that was Spiderman 3.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #36 on: 12 Jan 2009, 13:58 »

Well, to begin with, the symbiote arc in Spider-Man was terrible to begin with. It never fit the character.

Beyond that, emo Spider-Man could've worked if Sam Raimi weren't a shit director. People don't seem to want to admit it, but 90% of his output is cult classics that people enjoy mostly for schlock rather than any discernible quality.

The alcoholism arc in Iron Man was beautifully done, however, and Favreau strikes me as an at least competent director.
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Re: Iron Man 2
« Reply #37 on: 12 Jan 2009, 15:05 »

Ok, I'll grant you that with the exception of the Spider-man trilogy that the rest of Raimi's out put fits in the "cult" end of the spectrum, but I think to call him a "shit" director oversteps the mark by quite some distance.

Ok he isn't the worlds greatest director but you have to admit he has a definate visual flair, and has acheived remarkable things on very limited budgets.

Yes Spider-man 3 was a stinker, but the fault doesn't lie in Raimi's limitations as a director. The script was the real weakness, and the fact that Raimi very much had Venom, a character he repeatedly said he had no interested in, pushed onto him clearly diminished his enthusiasim for the project. I think if 3 had of been just Sandman, and Harry as the new Goblin, it could possibly have been the best of the series, but alas we'll never know.
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« Reply #38 on: 12 Jan 2009, 15:41 »

That would take very little doing, given that the entire series is godawful shit of the worst kind. The directing sucks, the acting is worse, and the writing is beyond horrible. Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst should be fed through a woodchipper together.
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« Reply #39 on: 12 Jan 2009, 15:42 »

they're saving that for Spiderman 4
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« Reply #40 on: 12 Jan 2009, 16:43 »

That would take very little doing, given that the entire series is godawful shit of the worst kind.

Oh come on, spider-man 2, and the first hour of spider-man, are great pieces of pop-corn action.

No they are not classic films, and wouldn't be on any top whatever films of all time list I'd compose, but as pieces of entertainment pure and simple they have their uses.

 At the end of the day this is a thread about Iron Man 2, and I think most people with an interest in superhero/comic book films, would certianly rank spider-man 2 at a similar level to Iron Man
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« Reply #41 on: 12 Jan 2009, 16:53 »

Honestly, I never liked any of the Spider Man movies at all.
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« Reply #42 on: 12 Jan 2009, 17:08 »

Well they certainly appeal to the 8 year old kid in me
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« Reply #43 on: 12 Jan 2009, 17:26 »

See, I guess if I were to attach a tagline to Spiderman 2, it'd be "Pretty not terrible" or "Well, at least William Defoe is gone."
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« Reply #44 on: 12 Jan 2009, 18:07 »

On the contrary, I thought Spiderman 2 was exactly as bad as the first. Having a slightly better villain was completely offset by the utterly vomit-inducing horror that was every single second Maguire and Dunst were on screen together.
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« Reply #45 on: 12 Jan 2009, 19:52 »

The effects and camera work were certainly better. How was the villain slightly better?
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« Reply #46 on: 12 Jan 2009, 20:23 »

The thing that okay'ed Spiderman 2 for me was the train scene.  Hate on it all you want, but that was a really good scene.
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« Reply #47 on: 12 Jan 2009, 20:43 »

The only good part of the train scene was all of the people standing up to Doc Ock and getting smashed. That was fantastic.

I am absolutely for the alcoholism storyline. I don't really think any Iron Man villains are iconic enough to really carry a movie, so making the struggles far more personal to Tony will work better, I think. I mean, Stane was alright, but that wasn't what the first movie was about. It was about Stark realizing his impact on the world and if that's what his legacy really should be- a spoiled playboy who made his fortune on the deaths of countless people or someone worth being.
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« Reply #48 on: 12 Jan 2009, 20:51 »

Actually the traditional superhero movie show-down with the big bad tough guy at the end of Iron Man was by some margin the weakest and least interesting part of the whole film. If they want to make Iron Man 2 as enjoyable as the first movie was they'll be smart and realise that the audience has seen the superhero/supervillain show-down again, and again, and again, and is well and truly over it.

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« Reply #49 on: 12 Jan 2009, 20:59 »

I am for this movement.
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