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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #50 on: 03 Feb 2009, 11:09 »

That was pretty good.  I love love love Sayid.
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« Reply #51 on: 05 Feb 2009, 04:39 »

I love that Jin is still alive.  I figured he was, but it's awesome to see it!!
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #52 on: 05 Feb 2009, 09:34 »

I love that it was the French expedition that found him.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #53 on: 05 Feb 2009, 10:47 »

I love that Miles is almost certainly the baby we saw at the beginning of the season.

I loved everything about this episode in fact.  I mean, god damn.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #54 on: 05 Feb 2009, 12:14 »

Miles has to be Chang's baby, and Jin is alive! Yes! I mean, I think we all suspected it but it's awesome that he's back. I wonder if they'll kill him off for good at some point though...I mean that would be cruel but I wouldn't put it past the producers of Lost.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #55 on: 05 Feb 2009, 12:27 »

Also, Ben saying "He's my lawyer" was somehow ridiculously fucking awesome.

Oh yeah, and Hurley's "It's OK, dude, I'm in jail!"  lol.

edit: oh, and DANIELLE!  and she's REALLY CUTE.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #56 on: 05 Feb 2009, 16:22 »

Is it just me, or does the island seem to be predisposed to shifting to points in time that are important to its history? So far it's shifted to the day the Nigerian plane crashed, a period of time after the Hostiles destroyed a US army group and there was an unstable nuclear cockin' bomb on the Island, the night Boone died/Aaron was born/Locke saw Desmond's light, an unspecified period in the future (I'm guessing close to when the Oceanic Six return), the night the French science team is marooned there, and (judging from the season opener) whenever DHARMA was digging up the Frozen Donkey Wheel. Is this just meaningless narrative choices or are the time shifts more likely to take them to times of great importance to the Island?

I'm guessing the Oceanic Six are probably going to be flying Ajira Airways in their attempts to return to the Island, as well. But I could very well be wrong on that.

And Juliette seems to be a handy benchmark for determining just how long Charlotte and Miles spent on the Island. Since we know Juliette spent about 3 years on the Island, then it would seem that Miles spent a little bit more time than that. I'd want to say around 4 years. This is assuming he's Chang's baby and he wouldn't remember that period of his life. And assuming he hasn't had some kind of wacky mind wipe either. Charlotte has been suffering for a considerably longer time, and seems to remember the Island/that she's from the Island. Perhaps she spent a good chunk of her childhood there?

Also, I have a feeling that the time shifts haven't occurred for the Hostiles because they've had enough exposure to the Island to become sort of ingrained with it and travel with it during the time shifts. I think we can also assume that the Others that Ben recruited are all dead now save for Juliette, since all the Others/Hostiles that we saw with Locke at the end of season 4 shifted with the Island.

For instance, if Ben and Rousseau had been present and alive on the Island, would they have been with Alpert and the Hostiles or with the Losties? Rousseau being there for 16 years and Ben being there for probably somewhere around 30, if I were to guess.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #57 on: 06 Feb 2009, 00:36 »

There is nothing about this show I do not like.

Nothing.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #58 on: 11 Feb 2009, 19:05 »

Aw. Poor Daniel...but man, Ben's flip out almost got me off.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #59 on: 12 Feb 2009, 00:47 »

I'm the biggest LOST FAN!! Show is well thought out, I like it. Its almost like a comic book, the way they develop characters and drop really subtle hints on whats to come like even during season 1 and 2. I think thats why I like it so much.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #60 on: 12 Feb 2009, 07:53 »

Ben's minor losing of his cool was amazing! but he still kept it together, that is why I love Ben. Jack's father showing up in the cave made me gasp a bit! I can't believe it was him to come help. Sawyer left standing with that rope was a little funny. And I am glad that red hair girl is dead, I found her annoying. I did think it was fantastic how she recognized Danny from the Dharma days. I can't wait for next week!
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #61 on: 12 Feb 2009, 08:10 »

I never really cared for Charlotte, but she somehow grew on me a little while she was dying.  I feel bad for Daniel though. 
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #62 on: 12 Feb 2009, 12:13 »

Charlotte's death affected me in the same way Libby's did. I was rather apathetic toward the characters themselves, but sad to see the effect it would have on the character attached to them (Hurley/Daniel).
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #63 on: 12 Feb 2009, 16:42 »

When Charlotte died I was just sad to watch an episode of the show die. On her deathbed she basically divulged an entire episodes worth of flashbacks (and from what I understand what would have definitely been an episode had season 4 not been shortened.)

Overall I honestly think that episode kind of sucked, even if we found out some cool stuff. So far "Jughead" has been a good example of how to do the new Lost right. And this episode was an example of how to do the new Lost terribly wrong.
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« Reply #64 on: 12 Feb 2009, 22:03 »

Okay, first did anyone else crap their pants when the French guy's ARM got ripped off?  I mean, Lost has never shied away from showing people being ripped up but that was a step up.  An awesome step up.  And is anyone else wondering where the hell Claire wandered off to?  First, she just blows off Charlie's memory and then waltzes off into the jungle to leave her kid behind?  I mean seriously, what's up with that?
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #65 on: 13 Feb 2009, 10:17 »

The worst part about Lost is that it makes me anxious, gets my brain churning on all the possibilities. Makes it hard to go to sleep at night. That and I fell it is getting a bit too George Lucas-y. How everyone ends knowing everyone from something previously, and only now are their paths connected in a much more intimate way. Not that I don't like lost, oh I NEED to get my fix every week.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #66 on: 13 Feb 2009, 11:12 »

To be fair, Montande losing his arm was technically predictable. Danielle mentioned it in passing waaaaaaaaaaay back in Season 1. I'm running through it right now for a refresher, actually, and it raises an interesting question in the statement: "The dark territory...where Nadine was infected and Montande lost his arm." Perhaps Nadine's not so completely dead as we're led to believe. It at least further entrenches us in the mystery of the monster's nature, as it does have a penchant for showing up as dead people.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #67 on: 13 Feb 2009, 11:47 »

I wonder if the sickness is really just the behavioral symptoms of the monster taking the form of someone who's dead. (By Rousseau's definition was Yemi sick? Christian?) Or if the sickness is an influence that the monster exerts on someone when they're alive that's different from taking their form when their dead (Claire?)

It's not entirely clear for instance, if Christian is alive or dead. And it certainly seems that Rousseau's team was alive in a sense if she was able to kill them, obviously.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #68 on: 18 Feb 2009, 12:47 »

When Charlotte died I was just sad to watch an episode of the show die. On her deathbed she basically divulged an entire episodes worth of flashbacks (and from what I understand what would have definitely been an episode had season 4 not been shortened.)

Overall I honestly think that episode kind of sucked, even if we found out some cool stuff. So far "Jughead" has been a good example of how to do the new Lost right. And this episode was an example of how to do the new Lost terribly wrong.

I have to respectfully disagree with you.. Jughead was a great episode, but last week's ep was probably one of the best non-season finale episode.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #69 on: 18 Feb 2009, 13:00 »

This week is the first of two Cuse/Lindelof written episodes. Which means they're going to be big.

I'm so excited.

And I just can't hide it.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #70 on: 18 Feb 2009, 15:10 »

So, in my spare time (Of which I have much right now), I've been re-watching various episodes from the first three seasons. One sequence of events has me contemplating.

As we all know, Danielle has been speaking of an 'infection' since season one. She mentioned it way back when she first encountered Sayid. It has always been rather ambiguous, but it now seems rather clear that whatever this presumed infection is is in regards to encountering the monster. Robert and the others were clearly not direct manifestations of the monster, or else Danielle would not be able to kill them. The monster has also shown a propensity for manifesting as dead folks, such as Yemi and, depending on who you listen to, perhaps Christian.

Could this "infection" have something to do with the process of becoming an Other, perhaps? Ben encountered his dead mother before encountering Richard.

Vaguely along this line of thought, does anyone else think that perhaps Locke is "infected?" There are inconsistencies, dependent upon how much of this I may or may not be guessing accurately, but Locke clearly encountered the monster early on in season one and has shown a zealous attitude toward protecting the island ever since.

It doesn't all add up, but many details could very easily fall into place concerning this.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #71 on: 18 Feb 2009, 19:05 »

I have a sinking feeling I know what Ben was up to and I'd bet good money it's going to involve what the Island still had to do with Desmond.

Also, Frank! Yay! I hope he survived...
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #72 on: 19 Feb 2009, 06:17 »

Desmond is one of those characters I don't want to return to the island because I like him as a character and I don't want him separated from Penny again. I mean, really, out of the people who left, he had the most to gain from returning. The 6, to me, never seemed as much at ease as he did when they came back, hence all of them having problems and him not having very many at all.

They had better explain what happened to Aaron and who Sun's baby is with (if they haven't), because 1. I thought Aaron would have had to go back and 2. Jin is going to be all WTF where's my daughter. Or there won't be any explanation and there'll be one of those holes that I don't really like.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #73 on: 19 Feb 2009, 06:25 »

Great episode.

"We ain't goin' to Guam are we?" I was cheering out loud by myself when I heard Frank's voice.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #74 on: 19 Feb 2009, 08:33 »

After talking to Jon last night about his theory of what Ben was up to, I'm kinda sad waiting for the next episode. 

I do want to know what the hell is going on with the kids, like you said, Linds.  I could never leave my daughter like Sun seems to have done. 
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #75 on: 19 Feb 2009, 08:46 »

I have to respectfully disagree with you.. Jughead was a great episode, but last week's ep was probably one of the best non-season finale episode.

No offense or anything since you went about saying that nicely. But if you think that episode was one of the best of the series then you either have really bad taste or your enthusiasm for the mythology of the show outweighs your enthusiasm for good television. Probably both.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #76 on: 19 Feb 2009, 08:52 »

Ohh now I want to know what you thought ben was up to.  And I agree with Sun and Whats her face, I would not bring the kids back to the island either. Not at first, not until I know what was going to happen there. I am curious what she did with Aaron, but Sun left the girl with her mother.  She is safe. For now.

The episode was amazing and I love that Frank was there.  I laughed hard when he said "We aren't going to Guam are we?"  He knew. I thought it was interesting that this time, Syid is the one with a Marshall. And the new guy, I don't know what he has to do with it, but I can't wait to know.

and Why was Ben covered in blood. Did he kill Penny like he said he would?
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #77 on: 19 Feb 2009, 12:19 »

No offense or anything since you went about saying that nicely. But if you think that episode was one of the best of the series then you either have really bad taste or your enthusiasm for the mythology of the show outweighs your enthusiasm for good television. Probably both.

Or option three, which is the correct one: opinions are subjective and you are really overstepping your bounds on this. Hell, personally, I found Jughead to be the weakest episodes of the season, so far. That doesn't make my tastes bad or my passion for the show any less, it just means my opinion differs from yours.

And mietteissass, in terms of the blood, that's exactly what I think. At least, that he tried to. Look at the scenario:

He assured Whidmore he was going to kill Penny. He knew Desmond was in town from meeting him and would easily have been able to presume Penny was there as well as a result. The big thing, though? When he calls Jack, the blood is clearly fresh, probably not all his and he's on a dock. Considering Penny lives on a boat now, it's the logical conclusion. I'm not sure one way or the other whether he succeeded, but my guess is he at least tried to kill Penny and ran afoul of Desmond. My best guess is that he did not succeed and Desmond will follow Ben to the island to make sure he never tries again.

In terms of the other people on the plane, I found some VERY interesting theories on that that I find myself clinging to. Eloise told Jack, in no uncertain terms, they had to recreate the crash as closely as possible.

First and obviously, Locke is dead, as Christian was.
Ben is almost late for the plane, as Hurley was; he also is out of his seat when the turbulence begins, as Charlie was.
Sayid is escorted onto the plane, in handcuffs, by a U.S. Marshall, as Kate was.
Sun is holding her husband's wedding band, as Rose was.
Jack is reading a letter, as Sawyer was.
Hurley is reading a comic book, as he was on 815; he brings a guitar aboard, as Charlie did.
Kate is the only one who does not obviously emulate an aspect of flight 815. Popular theory is that she may have gotten pregnant with Jack's child during the prior night's rendezvous, thus emulating Claire.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #78 on: 19 Feb 2009, 13:05 »

Or option three, which is the correct one: opinions are subjective and you are really overstepping your bounds on this. Hell, personally, I found Jughead to be the weakest episodes of the season, so far. That doesn't make my tastes bad or my passion for the show any less, it just means my opinion differs from yours.

I think it goes without saying that it's my personal opinion. I don't think anyone actually misunderstands this point, I certainly don't, I just don't go around putting disclaimers on every opinion I put forth. And I never said their passion for the show was less. As a matter of fact I think it takes considerable passion for the show to enjoy that episode. Which in my opinion was weak. It is also, in my opinion, very silly to call it one of the best episodes of the series. To me it's indicative of a fascination with the mythology and mysteries and the answers to those mysteries more than a love of the actual experience of watching the shows. Which is not a bad thing if that's how you enjoy the show.

I don't think it's terribly subjective to say that "This Place Is Death" was kind of an oddball in Lost. It basically became a different episode halfway through and it seemed to have much less focus than the average Lost episode. That on its own makes it strange to call it one of the best episodes of the series simply because it's kind of a black sheep episode while not raising the bar in any areas like the really good non-standard episodes do ("The Constant's" unique treatment of time travel and heightened emotional resonance, for example.)

Less objectively I would say that Charlotte, who was supposed to be a main character that people cared about seeing die, was killed sloppily and it was just the worst death scene I've seen on Lost so far, especially in light of highly dramatic deaths on the show like Shannon or Libby. Who, coincidentally, also had the men who loved them with them at their time of death.

For me it's down there below "Expose"
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #79 on: 19 Feb 2009, 13:11 »

How you can call into question anyone's tastes while, in the same breath, claiming anything is worse than Expose was, is beyond rational thought.

In terms of Charlotte's death: sometimes, death just happens. There's not always drama and intrigue involved. Take Danielle, a character who's been with the show since nearly the beginning. She died with no fanfare, suddenly and without buildup or really much of any followup. A death can hit hard without being a huge drama.

Beyond that, how was Charlotte's death any less dramatic than Shannon's? Shannon was just shot, out of nowhere, no buildup whatsoever. Charlotte's death has been hinted at for weeks, much as Charlie's was.
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« Reply #80 on: 19 Feb 2009, 13:25 »

Well see there's the problem that the writers and producers barely did anything to make us care about Charlotte. She was notorious for being a character that people either actively disliked or were ambivalent towards. At least in my circles. No one cared about Charlotte. No one cared when she died. No one had a reaction. Danielle even though there was little drama in the scene, was a death that people felt because people cared more about her character.

It's a problem, again in my opinion, of overall series plotting and a little bit of acting.

I only rate "Expose" higher cause, in my opinion, it at least works more as a stand-alone episode. But honestly, retrospect on this season may soften what I see right now as very glaring flaws of "This Place Is Death."

Shannon's death scene was dynamic, surprising, jarring, emotionally affecting. The image of Sayid holding her body in the rain and the look he gives Ana-Lucia is a pretty good moment in the show. It's not the buildup to the death that is important. As I'd say that Charlie's death was more effective for entirely different reasons than we had been told it was coming and were ready for it. Again, people loved Charlie. The scene again was fairly dynamic and visually affecting. It tied in to the larger drama. There was even more sadness coming in from his connection to Claire and the fact that he'd redeemed himself on the Island.

Charlotte was a glorified red shirt that Daniel was in love with, for some mysterious reason. It added stakes to the overarching plot of these first few episodes but it didn't resonate. Even Daniel's confession of love didn't help it that much in that area.

In my opinion.

Edit: And to clarify when I say it's a problem of series plotting. I'm not implying that their series plotting is bad. This was a stumbling block I feel was mostly brought on by the truncated season 4. I think Lost probably has the best series plotting on television right now.

Edit 2: I'm a little bit baffled on how me disliking "Expose" less than I dislike "This Place Is Death" is indicative of my taste in any way. I didn't realize that not hating "Expose" the most, but still hating it, calls my taste into question. (Also I would hope that this discussion doesn't continue on its negative stint because I honestly don't think there's anything to get even a little bit nasty about in this post.)
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #81 on: 19 Feb 2009, 20:34 »

Well, that was a weird episode.

They pretty much telegraphed the rest of the season's flashbacks being about their last day off the island. That's the only reason this episode was so disjointed, they specifically and intentionally kept it entirely from Jack's perspective so we'd have to wait for everyone's else's perspective of that day.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #82 on: 20 Feb 2009, 06:57 »

Yeah, clearly now for the next few eps at least we'll be getting in Island "present" (whatever that means) time and flashbacks for each person throughout that day. So, including Locke, that's 6 or 7 episodes (Kate, Sayid, Hurley, Locke (leading up to his death), Ben, Sun...maybe Desmond?) That'll bring us close to the season finale where I'm sure they'll do something different and wonderous.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #83 on: 20 Feb 2009, 15:14 »

I suspect Locke will replace Christian as the embodiment of the Island
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #84 on: 04 Mar 2009, 19:06 »

Two weeks?

Two fucking weeks?!

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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #85 on: 05 Mar 2009, 11:20 »

So, I was a bit stressed out last night and decided to have a few drinks and watch random old Lost episodes. I'm going to try to recall the crazy drunk theories I developed. Okay, I'll start with the most far fetched:

Hurley will eventually end up off the island, but not in the timeframe he originalls arrived. He will arrive a few years before his own stay in the hospital. Not wanting to cause questions and confusion and finally free of his "cursed money," he will take on the pseudonym of Dave, after his imaginary friend. He will, in turn, meet Libby and not be able to help himself, pursuing a relationship and eventual marriage with her. Being off the island, he gets sick and passes away, which drives Libby off the brink for a while, which leads her to ending up in the same hospital as Hurley, as exhibited in season 2's episode "Dave." This would explain her creepy staring at Hurley and her quick development of feelings for him on the island, despite his obvious crazy. Upon release from the hospital, Libby runs into Desmond and gives her his boat. Upon arriving on the island, she recognizes Hurley as her late husband, but chooses not to say anything for fear of coming off as crazy or potentially Hurley told her about his wacky adventures already and enlightened her to the inability to change things.

Woo, crazy theory!

Crazy theory number two:

Desmond caused a divergent timeline when he had his flashes of the past after blowing the hatch. His flashback episode at the end of season 2 makes zero mention of Desmond breaking up with Penny before joining the military and subsequently going to prison. Penelope, in fact, seems very much receptive to Desmond when finding him in LA, not at all the mark of someone who was dumped like she was in Flashes Before Your Eyes. As Daniel mentions in a recent episode, Desmond is some fucked up exception to the rules. By buying the ring and subsequently dumping her BEFORE going to the military, he changed things despite not meaning to.

I had a few more, possibly less insane. I have forgotten, though.
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« Reply #86 on: 23 Mar 2009, 20:10 »

Oh god.

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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #87 on: 25 Mar 2009, 19:07 »

Oh man.

Oh shit.

Oh fuck.

Now THAT was a quality episode. Last week's episode was the first this season that didn't completely satisfy me and tonight's may possibly have been the best of the season so far.
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« Reply #88 on: 26 Mar 2009, 06:03 »

I have a hard time saying it was the best, as most of them are pretty wonderful, but I can't disagree either because, man... I love Sayid.  This episode did give me the shivers.  It was great.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #89 on: 27 Mar 2009, 20:52 »

Ben!  Shit!  NOOOoooooOOOoOoOOoooo
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #90 on: 27 Mar 2009, 22:32 »

PSh, he's fine. If he wasn't, space-time would have totally collapsed in that instant since a good deal of the future leading up to that moment would never have happened. It's like the grandfather paradox or something.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #91 on: 28 Mar 2009, 10:35 »

My guess is:

Ben is found, dying, by one of the Dharma Initative and is taken back to camp. They've proven their surgeon is nigh incompetent during Ethan's birth, so we only have one qualified surgeon who could save him, and he's a janitor. Jack will be asked to fix Ben, but will refuse on the grounds of it's Ben, possibly blowing their cover. He'll end up doing it anyway for some reason. Jack will yell a lot regardless.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #92 on: 28 Mar 2009, 10:37 »

Which, in a twist of fate, brings Jack and Ben right back around to the beginning of season 3.
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« Reply #93 on: 28 Mar 2009, 10:46 »

I know, I know, but Ben is still one of my fav chars, even though I hated him HARD at the beginning during season 2
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #94 on: 28 Mar 2009, 11:07 »

Man, how in the fuck could you hate Ben ever? He is one of the most fascinating characters ever to show up on the show and he was straight from the start.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #95 on: 28 Mar 2009, 13:09 »

I think Ben is creepy and sometimes he gets on my nerves, but he's still interesting.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #96 on: 28 Mar 2009, 13:21 »

Ben is pretty much my favorite villain on TV, I won't lie.

Dude rocks.

I mean, so many great little Ben moments this year, the one sticking out in my mind is when him and Jack are on the plane and Jack turns and asks "So what's going to happen to everyone else on the plane?" and Ben responds, completely in earnest, "Who cares?"

He's an unapologetic (well, I guess he did apologize to Locke...then killed him later) asshole and he's extremely good at it.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #97 on: 29 Mar 2009, 09:06 »

Man, that was a great episode. Though I did know that Sayid would kill (or attempt to kill) young Ben within ten minutes of the start of the episode. However, that does not mean that I didn't jump and yell when Sayid actually did shoot him.

I fucking love this show.
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #98 on: 29 Mar 2009, 15:21 »

But NO! He can't do that!

He can't shoot Ben!!

He'll change history as we know it
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Re: Lost; Season 5
« Reply #99 on: 29 Mar 2009, 16:38 »

Which is why I think Ben can't actually die. Remember how Mrs Hawking said that the universe has a way of 'course-correcting'? Young Ben will live through it.
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