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The Drum Thread
« on: 06 Feb 2009, 15:59 »

Given that guitarists get their own thread (like they get everything else in the world), I thought drummers should have one, too.

The topic is anything drum-related: drummers, equipment, technique, whatever.  Knock yourselves out.

Just to get it started, my top five drummers:

1. John Bonham (Led Zeppelin)
And the next four in no particular order:
Mike Portnoy (Dream Theater)
Mitch Mitchell (Jimi Hendrix Experience)
Patrick Carney (The Black Keys)
John Densmore (The Doors)

I like blues.  And rock.  And blues-rock.  Also The Doors.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #1 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:03 »

If you're into drumming, you should check out anything Gavin Harrison has done, ever.

His Q&A thread on drummerworld

If anyone who is just starting has any questions, I can probably help.

That buzzing sound from the snare when you play on your toms? I know how to get rid of it.

Those annoying overtones? Easily remedied.

Pissing off the neighbours? No fear!

Also, I HIGHLY recommend learning to read rhythmic notation if you plan on playing drums.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #2 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:11 »

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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #3 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:17 »

My favorite drummers right now are Michael Dahlquist, Keith Moon, Stephen Morris and Helen Wiggin.

I've only been playing for about seven months or so and seek to emulate the first three drummers, but for a while I was sounding like the fourth.

That buzzing sound from the snare when you play on your toms? I know how to get rid of it.

Those annoying overtones? Easily remedied.

Do tell!
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #4 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:19 »

Right, to mitigate the snare from buzzing when you play the toms, you have to tune your snare drum either very high or very low. And then you have to tun all of your toms the opposite (depending on whether you tuned your snare drum high or low)

Simple as that, you should have less buzzing, if not a complete lack.

As for the overtones, what you want to do is either go to your local music store and ask for deadening rings, or cut out some old drumheads in circles and place them on top of each drum.

If you need help with tuning, I can also give you step by step advice on that.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #5 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:21 »

Man too bad the drumkit I have (which is borrowed from a friend) sounds pretty bad already to begin with and I have no clue how to tune them.

Maybe I better learn how to actually tune the drumkit then. Danke!
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #6 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:23 »

If you like drumming you should stop listening to 99% of rock music.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #7 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:27 »

Maybe I better learn how to actually tune the drumkit then.


you could do that.


or you could be like me and never tune your drums or learn anything about them, and whenever someone asks you a technical question about drums or drumming just shout "YEEHAA" and kick something over.


err...on second thought; don't.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #8 on: 06 Feb 2009, 16:38 »

Okay, to tune your drums, first, you are going to need a drum key. That looks like this.



Now, what you want to do is loosen all of the tuning lugs on your drum till they are no longer exerting any tension on the drumhead. (ie, until it is possible to pull them out)

Now, you want to turn each lug about a half turn equally until you have the tone you want

It is best to do it in a criss-cross manner.

Let's assume you are tuning the snare drum, which would have eight lugs.



So you would follow each number (turning the drum key a half turn each time) and then after you've gone through once, give your drum a tap, keep doing this until you have the sound you want.

You can get a drum key at any music store for a buck or two.

It is VERY important they are equally turned, after you are done, tap the area near each tuning lug on the head to make sure each sound the same.


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I thought you might also need some tips on a proper way to grip your sticks, there are several ways to grip them, the best way for a beginner is this way...

Basically, grip the stick between your forefinger and your thumb, like this



You want your palms to be facing downwards, towards the drums. And your other fingers shouldn't be putting any pressure (they can be touching, but not putting any pressure) on the sticks, other than the two mentioned. It should be loose and allow for lots of rebound when you hit the drums/cymbals. Make sure to be holding the stick a decent distance up. Choking up farther will allow you more speed, lower will allow you more power.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #9 on: 07 Feb 2009, 09:12 »

Out of curiousity, has anybody here used DW snare wire?  I bought some a while back and it was way too short despite being the right measurement.  I was just wondering if this was a fluke or if it's a consistent thing.

Also, anybody have recommendations on bass drum heads?  I really hate mine,  but I've only switched a few times and haven't found anything I really like.
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« Reply #10 on: 07 Feb 2009, 09:33 »

I have my dad's old custom-built Pearl kit, but I've got no idea how to play drums.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #11 on: 07 Feb 2009, 11:27 »

Do you play other instruments?
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #12 on: 08 Feb 2009, 08:51 »

Guitar.  Actually, three of them.

Supposedly my dad tried to teach me drums when I was little, but I was too busy making noise to worry about rhythm.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #13 on: 08 Feb 2009, 09:39 »

I had that same experience the first time I "played drums."  I picked it back up a few years ago and found that I had somehow become much better at drumming during the period that I didn't play at all.  It was fairly bizarre, but my guess is just that I listened to enough music to figure out the basics.
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« Reply #14 on: 08 Feb 2009, 11:24 »

Hm, my top 5 right now, in no particular order:

Carter Beauford
Neil Peart
Jimmy Chamberlin
Billy Cobham
Danny Carey

I play a pearl export select kit I bought a few years back, with a pearl piccolo snare. I tune my snare high/tight, my toms low/loose. My cymbals are a total mishmash I've collected over the years, 14" Zildjian A New Beat Hi-Hats, 15" Zildjian K Dark Thin Crash, 10" Sabian B8 Splash, which I mount inverted on top of the Dark Crash (this one is next up for replacement), 14" Zildjian Oriental China Trash, inverted, 18" Zildjian Azuka Timbale Ride, and a 15" Zildjian A Custom Fast Crash, of which I've broken 2, on my 3rd now. I mute my toms with rolled up toilet paper and duct tape.

Everything is arranged like this



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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #15 on: 08 Feb 2009, 13:02 »

Due to my overwhelming poverty, I play a six-year old piece of crap Pacific set.  Four pieces, two rack toms, floor, bass.  Snare is Pork Pie, 14".  Hihats are 15" Paiste 2002, plus two 2002 crashes, 18" and 14".  I have a really low-caliber Sabian B8 ride (20") and recently, because the hihats came with a free stand, I started mounting an equally bad Sabian B8 crash-ride of 18". 

I like Vic Firth sticks with a thicker hand grip.  I like long, heavy sticks with wooden applicators (I used to use the Portnoy signature series with the nylon, but I decided against it last year).
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« Reply #16 on: 09 Feb 2009, 07:26 »

Dovey I know you are reading this and I know you still have that photo of your snare drum with T-Rex drawn on it and I want you to post it.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #17 on: 09 Feb 2009, 11:57 »

Anybody have opinions on damping?  I've experimented with both blankets and tape on the bass drum, but I think my problems are more due to the pedal, now that I think about it, because it's way, way too long.

So, anybody have an opinion on the best methods, whether actually muting the drum or with pedals?
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #18 on: 09 Feb 2009, 12:50 »

Can't you just shorten the pedal shaft? It should be adjustable.

Also, a lot of drummers do things like putting a pillow in the bass drum and a dampening ring on the snare, it reduces overtones.

Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree, King Crimson) does this.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #20 on: 09 Feb 2009, 14:31 »

Can't you just shorten the pedal shaft? It should be adjustable.

Also, a lot of drummers do things like putting a pillow in the bass drum and a dampening ring on the snare, it reduces overtones.

Gavin Harrison (Porcupine Tree, King Crimson) does this.
My pedal is actually non-adjustable.  It is among the more horrifying pieces of equipment I have ever seen.  It's low end even for Pacific.
I tried direct blanket-in-drum damping before, now I'm using tape on the head and I can't decide which I prefer.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #21 on: 09 Feb 2009, 15:10 »

I use blankets, and a dampening ring on the snare.

What are your preferred drumheads? I dig clear Remo Emperors, and can't stand Evans. Thoughts?
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #22 on: 09 Feb 2009, 15:58 »

"John Henry Bonham- Moby Dick!":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed5YvFkcR7g

There was a man who really loved drums.  Part 2 has been taken down, unfortunately.

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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #23 on: 09 Feb 2009, 16:03 »

I especially love the bare hands part.  He said he occasionally tore off skin on the hihats.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #24 on: 09 Feb 2009, 16:05 »

I see that and raise you one "Futile".

Also, THIS

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« Reply #25 on: 09 Feb 2009, 16:35 »

I use blankets, and a dampening ring on the snare.

What are your preferred drumheads? I dig clear Remo Emperors, and can't stand Evans. Thoughts?

I like Remo Coated Pinstripes.  My set seems to do a heavier, meatier rock sound better than anything else, so I tune my toms low with the coated pinstripes and slap a small amount of tape, and they sound pretty dull, good for pounding fills.  I also use a coated pinstripe on my snare, and tune it up pretty high.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #27 on: 09 Feb 2009, 18:04 »

Yeah, oh yeah, well...oh, uh. Shit.

Steve Gadd AND Vinnie Colaiuta?

Incidentally, the best thing Steve Gadd ever did was with Simon & Garfunkel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZZLLYEzKE8&fmt=18
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #28 on: 09 Feb 2009, 18:59 »

I see that and raise you one "Futile".

Also, THIS


I still have a thing for simple, minimalist kits and equipment.  That was my favorite John Bonham feature: with four cymbals, four drums, a single bass pedal, and his bare hands he made magical, magical noise.  Bass triplets on one foot= my favorite thing ever.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #29 on: 09 Feb 2009, 19:06 »

Greg Saunier (Deerhoof) is the most minimalist drummer I've ever seen...I was lucky to be about 3 metres from him when they played at a show here a couple years ago.

He played with a bass drum, snare drum, floor tom, ride cymbal, and hi-hat

I'm in doubt you would like Deerhoof, but, you might like Greg Saunier, he just kind of spazzes away at the drums and does some stuff I, to this day, don't know what he was doing.
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« Reply #30 on: 09 Feb 2009, 19:19 »

You have piqued my curiosity: Canada or U.K. or... somewhere else? (metres)

Also, I have never listened to Deerhoof, although I am familiar with the name- what style/genre?
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #31 on: 09 Feb 2009, 19:26 »

I'm from Canada..anyway, some videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijspl6rF7-I&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVl-doNlOsQ&fmt=18

They play a combination of noise rock and sugary indie pop. The *usual* reason people don't like them is the timbre of their instruments and Satomi's singing voice.
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« Reply #32 on: 09 Feb 2009, 19:44 »

I don't even see a floor tom in that first video. Though I do love how at 1:12 he hits a crash cymbal that isn't there.
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« Reply #33 on: 09 Feb 2009, 20:43 »

Who wants to hear an exceedingly shitty recording of yours truly!?

http://www.mediafire.com/?fucm3mmjzz3

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« Reply #34 on: 09 Feb 2009, 23:17 »

I do not approve of whatever you were using for a crash/ride. Though I blame the recording for that mostly.

On the other hand, I loved the tom use around 0:30, as well as the smooth little hi-hat groove right before the the ending fill.
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« Reply #35 on: 10 Feb 2009, 05:28 »

You have piqued my curiosity: Canada or U.K. or... somewhere else? (metres)

Also, I have never listened to Deerhoof, although I am familiar with the name- what style/genre?

Decent rock with the most annoying female voice you'll ever hear.
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« Reply #36 on: 10 Feb 2009, 06:08 »

Atsuo, speaking of awesome and drumming.

Fucking Atsuo.
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« Reply #38 on: 10 Feb 2009, 20:08 »

Hm, somebody clearly listened to a bit too much bill bruford as a child.
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« Reply #39 on: 10 Feb 2009, 21:56 »

This thread thinks it's funny. This thread isn't funny.

Greg Saunier (Deerhoof) is the most minimalist drummer I've ever seen...I was lucky to be about 3 metres from him when they played at a show here a couple years ago.

He played with a bass drum, snare drum, floor tom, ride cymbal, and hi-hat

Dude go listen to jazz.
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« Reply #41 on: 12 Feb 2009, 13:50 »

Interesting angle on the snare drum.
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« Reply #42 on: 12 Feb 2009, 14:27 »

The snare is actually obscured. The blue drum is a 10" tom. I also have an 8" tom not pictured that I need a new head for. A testament to why you shouldn't play with inferior sticks, no matter how red and sparkly they are.
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« Reply #43 on: 12 Feb 2009, 14:30 »

The different finish was what threw me off.  That makes a lot more sense.
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« Reply #44 on: 22 Feb 2009, 16:12 »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuibdktNlWQ

current favourite drummers: JBonham, Keith Moon, Chad Smith, Dave Grohl (unordered)
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #45 on: 22 Feb 2009, 17:07 »

I'm not really a drummer, but there are a couple drummers that I think are pretty amazing, including:

Tomas Haake
Branden Wilson
Brann Dailor
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« Reply #46 on: 22 Feb 2009, 18:18 »

So, I'm not a drummer, but I'm vaguely interested. So I'm thinking I might eventually get one of those electronic drumkits, after I get a bunch of guitar stuff I want more.
Or, this thread puts forth the idea of playing minimalist kits. That might also work, except I'd want to experiment around with different sounds, and I'd play only casually, so I'd probably still go with an electronic set.
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« Reply #47 on: 22 Feb 2009, 18:27 »

If you play only on an electronic kit you won't learn how to have a good feel. Plastic feels nothing like hitting skins.

Also, it would be a supreme waste of money to get an electronic set and then never bother learning anything seriously, in my opinion.
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Re: The Drum Thread
« Reply #49 on: 23 Feb 2009, 06:29 »

I have a Ludwig Accent Custom Pro back home, but need to get a bigger place so I can move it out of my parent's basement finally :P

and since I didn't see him mentioned, I have to give it up to Travis Barker, for the variety of shit he can play and play well
oh and I've got to take some of it back from him for doing Soul'ja Boy covers


but for styles I got to give it up to Neil Peart


Also, curious what cymbal brands everyone favors, I'm partial to the Sabian B-8 thins I'm using, nice crisp sound
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