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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2150 on: 10 Sep 2009, 15:56 »

Clearly you can only be nice if you are completely celibate in both thought and deed.

Sex is sinful again! Hurrah, what progress.

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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2151 on: 10 Sep 2009, 15:58 »

That's really not what I meant  :-(

OK I give up.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2152 on: 10 Sep 2009, 16:00 »

Yeah I know, I was mocking the articles in general.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2153 on: 10 Sep 2009, 16:00 »

Cos I brought it up again. Sorry.

to be fair, Josef brought it up before you.

Guys, the Nice Guy debate is never going to make sense or end well because it is a stupid concept. Sooner or later it will end with "Man, assholes always get the girls because women like to be treated like SHIT" or something along those lines.
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« Reply #2154 on: 10 Sep 2009, 19:34 »

And really if you think about it, is that the kind of person you want to be involved with? Someone who doesn't own a tape deck. Terrible.

The answer is "yes."  Tape decks are affronts to music and should be obliterated.

About the nice guy argument, I'm an asshole, why can't I get women?
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2155 on: 10 Sep 2009, 19:44 »

Because you're a fucking asshole!* Nobody actually likes assholes!**

Also that large capybara has a creepy eye. The little one is cute, though.

*Not really. **This part, however, is actually true.
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« Reply #2156 on: 10 Sep 2009, 19:45 »

Maybe it is the way you smell.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2157 on: 10 Sep 2009, 19:49 »

Hey!  I smell like the finest malt liquors.

Nobody actually likes assholes!**

But all those nice guys said...  Oh.  Oh my.  I'm going to have to take this in for a second.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2158 on: 10 Sep 2009, 19:50 »

Oh, I get it now. Stupid moment.

You don't start being nice if you want sex. You start being sexy.

I'm quoting this just because I liked it.

Oh, um, QFT?
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2159 on: 10 Sep 2009, 20:36 »

Are you trying to be nice with bbq? Does that mean you want sex with him?
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« Reply #2160 on: 10 Sep 2009, 20:41 »

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« Reply #2161 on: 10 Sep 2009, 21:29 »

Goddamnit I read that first article and now I am starting to think I am one of these asshole nice guys instead of an actual nice guy just because I have intimacy issues, fuck you guys for bringing this ridiculous idea back into my working consciousness.

I actually have a pretty good story about how I basically cut some dudes grass the other night because he's indecisive and I'm ,an arsehole but I'm not really sure if I'm comfortable just postin' that up here for all to see.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2162 on: 10 Sep 2009, 21:49 »

Is "cut his grass" some sort of sexual euphemism?

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« Reply #2163 on: 10 Sep 2009, 21:55 »

it means steppin' IN when they won't STEP UP yo

It's not specifically sexual really, like if you're a salesperson and you close a sale someone else has been working on all day you have cut that guys grass as well.
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« Reply #2164 on: 10 Sep 2009, 21:56 »

Probably because Mister Bainter is also a libertarian.

I'm not really sure what a libertarian is.  I've really only dabbled in politics the last year or so of my life.  My views are open to change, but I will fight for the way I see something until someone shows me a better way.

As far as being a douche.  

What's your definition?  based on this, i'm probably a douche.  However, hear me out.

my take on it - My current girlfriend (of a little over 8 months) first thought I was a douche too.  It took her a couple weeks of getting to know me before she told me I'm not as much of an asshat that I seem to be.  again, everything is perspective and that is probably just hers  :roll:

Im a bit abrassive when I want to be, and sometimes my humor conflicts with this as well.  *hard to tell when i'm joking.  It happens quite often.  This is why there is select people here that think or "know" i'm a douche.  Make sense?   I'm not really that bad a person :angel:  Just depends on who you are  :wink:

P.s. If I seem less douchie lately it's because i've been so busy with school/work/new baby(long story) that I have really very little energy to keep up with my douchbaggery.

*especially online.
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« Reply #2165 on: 10 Sep 2009, 22:03 »

Zingoleb wants to have sex with everyone these days

With my massive meany, that is.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2166 on: 10 Sep 2009, 22:24 »

it means steppin' IN when they won't STEP UP yo

It's not specifically sexual really, like if you're a salesperson and you close a sale someone else has been working on all day you have cut that guys grass as well.

haha, never heard it put that way.  Nice.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2167 on: 11 Sep 2009, 00:12 »

Is "cut his grass" some sort of sexual euphemism?

Mowing their lawn, cutting their lunch, all mean trying to get a piece of somebody elses action.
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« Reply #2168 on: 11 Sep 2009, 01:14 »

Trimming their hedges, however, refers to something else entirely.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2169 on: 11 Sep 2009, 01:28 »

Well I appear to have created controversy, I honestly didn't mean to, I just wanted to try and clear some things up for myself.

I think the main difference between Nice Guys and nice guys (NG and ng from now on as I am not writing the word nice over and over) is that NG's are interested in sex alone, without any sort of emotional attachment to the lady in question. That would be fine if they were honest with themselves about it, instead NG's decide to pretend that they are only interested in whats "best" for the girl and tend to try and pick up the devastatingly attractive "goes out with bad boy" type girl and make her all better.

At least those are my thoughts on it, my personal opinion is although its okay to be nice its better to be good. Also, if you have intamacy issues why not see a therapist? I mean I am not really one to be talking here, but if you have a problem that relates solely to you, surely the onus is on you to fix it? Sorry if that comes across as cruel, but maybe it would be best to try and stop having intamacy issues than moaning about them?

Also I was just wondering Mr War Machine, why did you not like the articles? I know the second one wasn't that good (and a bit irritatint) but I didn't think they were utter shit.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2170 on: 11 Sep 2009, 01:55 »

The main problem with lumping literally millions of people into relatively tight categories is the huge amount of assumption it necessitates.

I'm fond of talking at length about how "all men are blah blah blah", when what I actually mean is "I am blah blah blah and thus I assume all men are exactly like me".

Dangerous stuff.
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« Reply #2171 on: 11 Sep 2009, 01:59 »

Dangerous, but sexy!
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« Reply #2172 on: 11 Sep 2009, 02:03 »

Its dangerous, but everyone does it. Besides which, the human race isn't quite as distinct as we like to think, for the most part we all generally fall into the same tropes, even people who are breaking the mold do so in specific ways.

Plus with this sort of thing at least its not arguing as the gospel truth, everyone is going to interpret them in a different way. I'm just trying to look at the positives and hopefully steer clear of the pitfalls.
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« Reply #2173 on: 11 Sep 2009, 02:08 »

People hear what they want to and love to be told what they want to hear.

I've discovered that's the fundamental problem with relationships and indeed, society at large. You can tell people the truth all the time and they will either pretend you didn't or become angry that you did. Most of the time the truth is such a hammer blow compared to the kind of issues people can deal with that the effect is devastating and the truth becomes a horrible weapon that nobody ever wants to wield. So we permeate the easy lies for reasons of comfort.

You can tell the truth but you can't make people listen.
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« Reply #2174 on: 11 Sep 2009, 02:14 »

True enough. But isn't that a good thing? I would argue that the truth, the real truth, that nothing you will do or ever do will matter to the universe at all is pretty horrifying. Its a lot easier to believe that what you do matters, otherwise why bother doing anything at all?

Anyway, I am starting to sound as if I should be in "discuss" atm, so I will shut up.
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« Reply #2175 on: 11 Sep 2009, 02:17 »

So that's what I've been doing wrong...I knew telling the truth was a bad idea...
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« Reply #2176 on: 11 Sep 2009, 02:22 »

It killed Lenny Bruce.
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« Reply #2177 on: 11 Sep 2009, 02:22 »

That and an assload of smack, anyhow.
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« Reply #2178 on: 11 Sep 2009, 04:56 »

I am only nice to the girls until I can get them back to the RapeVan. I feel that it is poorly named as very little rape has ever happened in or around the van. They usually don't like the sound of RapeVan, but if they would just go to the van they would get cupcakes and brownies and free tshirts.
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« Reply #2180 on: 11 Sep 2009, 08:14 »

you can't handle the truth, unless you're sexy.
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« Reply #2181 on: 11 Sep 2009, 08:15 »

True enough. But isn't that a good thing? I would argue that the truth, the real truth, that nothing you will do or ever do will matter to the universe at all is pretty horrifying. Its a lot easier to believe that what you do matters, otherwise why bother doing anything at all?

Somebody likes nihilism.
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« Reply #2182 on: 11 Sep 2009, 10:06 »

I don't LIKE it, it's just what I have seen, a little bit anyway. Theres no point moaning about things not being "fair" but thats no reason to go off moaning as if its the universes fault.

Also you can still be nice enough and be a nihilist, personally I think that people make their own meanings out of life.
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« Reply #2183 on: 11 Sep 2009, 11:17 »

Meanings that don't matter, anyway.


Seriously, nihilism isn't so bad once you make up your mind not to be a li'l bitch about it.
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« Reply #2184 on: 11 Sep 2009, 11:42 »

I mean, really, what kind of narcissistic personality disorder is the human race afflicted with if we must believe that what we do has an impact on some transcendental scale?
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« Reply #2185 on: 11 Sep 2009, 12:58 »

EVERYTHING I DO CHANGES SOMEONE'S LIFE.

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« Reply #2186 on: 11 Sep 2009, 13:44 »

please you can't even change yoself

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« Reply #2187 on: 11 Sep 2009, 13:52 »

I adjusted myself just now and I'm pretty sure it sundered galaxies.
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« Reply #2188 on: 11 Sep 2009, 14:01 »

EVERYTHING I DO CHANGES SOMEONE'S LIFE.

Everything I do changes at least one person's life.  That person is the most important person in the world to me, too, so I guess I lucked out in being really important to such an awesome person.
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« Reply #2189 on: 11 Sep 2009, 15:34 »

The Nice Guy seems to feel like he should be paid in sex or something.


This has actually nothing to do with Nice Guys or regular dudes or whatever. I just wanted to point out that people who believe that actually exist. One was my boyfriend not too long ago. This is a problem and should not be a mentality that people have! It kind of sucks!
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« Reply #2190 on: 11 Sep 2009, 16:40 »

please you can't even change yoself

You're like the mean, discourage older brother. Probably the favorite, too.

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« Reply #2191 on: 12 Sep 2009, 00:56 »

To be honest, the napoleon is kind of adorable.

People actually exist who want nice things to be repaid with sex? Oy Vey, this is why I can't do nice things out of the blue for my friends or they think I am hitting on them.
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« Reply #2192 on: 12 Sep 2009, 02:01 »

It beats doing nothing for your friends out of the blue and then having them think you hate them.
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« Reply #2193 on: 12 Sep 2009, 02:54 »

Most of the time the truth is such a hammer blow compared to the kind of issues people can deal with that the effect is devastating and the truth becomes a horrible weapon that nobody ever wants to wield.

I was raised, like many children, by parents who indoctrinated me with the dangerous idea that 'honesty is the best policy'. Unfortunately I was a very very literal and obedient child and now as a grown adult whose patterns of behaviour are largely wired into my reflexive memory, this idea has caused me a great deal of trauma and grief.

I mean, really, what kind of narcissistic personality disorder is the human race afflicted with if we must believe that what we do has an impact on some transcendental scale?

Does being human count as a personality disorder or is that specious

Also about people expecting to be paid in sex for being a good human being, I constantly find myself doing that. It sucks, appears to be largely chronic personality disorder, and is one of the more prominent reasons I don't typically try to pursue relationships with women  any more and also why I try to convince people I have absolutely no libido.
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« Reply #2194 on: 12 Sep 2009, 03:29 »

I was raised, like many children, by parents who indoctrinated me with the dangerous idea that 'honesty is the best policy'.

That's really interesting because most of the time we are content to lie to children as if its totally harmless to do so. Maybe it is.

Sometimes I wonder what a kid would be like who has literally never been lied to. Tell them right off the bat about sex, that there is no Santa, Easter Bunny or indeed, God. Every time they ask a difficult question, answer them as honestly as possible. I've often wondered what kind of child that would produce. It might mess them up more than lying to them about that stuff, I have absolutely no idea. I wonder if anyone's ever tried it.
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« Reply #2195 on: 12 Sep 2009, 03:42 »

I constantly finding myself wishing it was acceptable to conceive a child solely for the purpose of conducting social experiments on them, largely because i've often pondered that very same question that you have just asked. There is no way to tell for certain whether it would be the most well-adjusted child in existence or the least, or possibly it might make absolutely no difference, but finding out which one would give me a lot of information about what the hell we are doing to each other.
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« Reply #2196 on: 12 Sep 2009, 03:48 »

The problem with something like that is the kid would be completely confused by the behaviour of its peers. It would either challenge all the things it's being taught, or react to its parents and become really superstitious and the like.
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« Reply #2197 on: 12 Sep 2009, 03:50 »

That's probably the most interesting (and cruel) part, to be honest.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2198 on: 12 Sep 2009, 03:54 »

I plan to lie to my future children as little as possible. In fact I'm pretty sure the only thing my folks lied to me was the whole God thing and even then I can't really say whether or not I really believed it or whether I was just going along with what I was told. I mean my parents did do the whole Santa thing (well actually we had "angels" that put the presents under the tree) but I don't remember thinking a red-suited fat dude broke into my house to leave presents that were labelled as having come from my dad or aunties or whatever.
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Re: The Relationship, Or Lack Thereof, Advice Thread
« Reply #2199 on: 12 Sep 2009, 07:06 »

Also about people expecting to be paid in sex for being a good human being, I constantly find myself doing that. It sucks, appears to be largely chronic personality disorder, and is one of the more prominent reasons I don't typically try to pursue relationships with women  any more and also why I try to convince people I have absolutely no libido.

I had a conversation with my therapist about how easily I thought I could be brainwashed. It was mostly musing about how if I had been raised in a specific culture, like super-conservative middle-eastern Taliban-esque muslim, or fundamentalist mormon, or nazi Germany, that I thought I could totally see myself being a pushover and getting into all the propaganda and taking everything at face value, basically.

What she told me is that all of that is indeed possible, except there is one thing that cuts the statistical probability in half: my awareness. Intelligence may be conditioned, just like homosexuality might be nurture instead of nature (who knows? who cares!), but awareness is entirely inborn. You can try to teach people to be self-aware or curious about the world around them, but it is not the same as having some concept of consequences, and that capacity to gauge cause and effect is just a part of you. Thus, if I was born into some society where I might be brainwashed, it is possible I would be easily swayed. However, the fact that I was even having this conversation with her indicates that, then again, I might not.

So basically what I am saying is that yeah it is a shitty thing, but you know it is a shitty thing, and you know you do it. And who knows? Maybe you think that is what you do and actually that is just your [mis]perception. Anyway, you are already doing better than the rest of the fuckers out there.
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