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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #150 on: 12 Dec 2009, 21:31 »



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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #151 on: 12 Dec 2009, 21:43 »

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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #152 on: 12 Dec 2009, 23:01 »

Hows the RSI?
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #153 on: 13 Dec 2009, 13:36 »

Let's just call the two Ed and Jake.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #154 on: 14 Dec 2009, 01:56 »

So I'm mostly through Breaking Dawn and I've reached a number of conclusions.

-In Stephanie Meyers world, pedophilia is totally ok.  Werewolves imprint themselves on people and that basically means that they fall in love with them forever, ever.  The two times that's happened in the books so far have been with babies.  These are like...16 year old boys (I think) who are in love with newborns.  Meyer tries to make it sound natural but it just comes off as super creepy.

-Stephanie Meyer has no knowledge of science.  Humans have 24 chromosomes, Werewolves have 25 and Vampires have 26.  For some strange reason this is revealed.

-Meyer wants everyone to be happy.  For a little bit there seems to be some genuine conflict between the characters because Bella is going to turn into a vampire.  Instead of turning a conflict into something genuinely interesting, she decides to change certain things so that everyone can be happy in the end.

I've always really hated Twilight but since I've started reading Breaking Dawn that I'm really realizing how irredeemable it all is.  It takes guys with some incredibly unattractive qualities and describes them as absolutely perfect.  Edward is condescending, abusive, threatening, as well as being a stalker.  Jacob is abusive, threatening, as well as being possessive.  Would you rather be with a guy who wants to kill you all the time, or with one who if you make angry (which you will) might just kill you.  Those are some awesome choices.

I'm starting to get sick of the "girls don't actually fall in love with Edward." or "Girls don't pick up on that kind of stuff."  arguments.  Who has never imagined being in a relationship with a fictional character?  Who hasn't thought of a girl and gone "wow, he's/she's a lot like *character from a book* maybe I should get her/his number." 
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #155 on: 14 Dec 2009, 05:06 »

So, you're saying if I want quality vampire literature that I should reread my copy of Dracula?
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #156 on: 14 Dec 2009, 08:55 »

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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #157 on: 14 Dec 2009, 10:06 »

-Stephanie Meyer has no knowledge of science.  Humans have 24 chromosomes, Werewolves have 25 and Vampires have 26.  For some strange reason this is revealed.
So having Downs Syndrome gives you superpowers? Sweet, I always knew they were hiding something.

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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #158 on: 14 Dec 2009, 10:10 »

Same here, but I don't know if I'd say I'm actually an outlier. I think people underestimate how staunchly unimaginative some people are. I'm not really big on escapism; for example, if a video game offers a flirt with a character option, the first thing I do is go ask someone if there's any in-game benefits before bothering with it.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #159 on: 14 Dec 2009, 10:21 »

For me, it's more like if there is a flirt with character option, I don't realize that it is flirting, rather than just being nice to them. I'm pretty terrible with subtext that way.

I guess I just don't notice similarities like that, probably because I tend to read books with characters that aren't too similar to real-world people, at least not within my general age demographic. And I can't remember ever asking for a girl's number with the intent to ask her out. It is possible I've just repressed the memory.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #160 on: 04 Feb 2010, 07:56 »

http://tigerbeatdown.com/?p=579#more-579

A rather interesting and funny piece on the whole wilight thing.

And it's from an interesting blog too so, check it out ...
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #161 on: 04 Feb 2010, 11:50 »

-In Stephanie Meyers world, pedophilia is totally ok.  Werewolves imprint themselves on people and that basically means that they fall in love with them forever, ever.  The two times that's happened in the books so far have been with babies.  These are like...16 year old boys (I think) who are in love with newborns.  Meyer tries to make it sound natural but it just comes off as super creepy.

What I find interesting about this is how it plays into what Christine Seifert identified as abstinance porn. The fantasy here is that, ultimately, the male is fated to be monogamous. From what I understand, his love for the underage girl is supposed to remain platonic until she's "of the right age."

Oddly, werewolves seem to be castrated by this story more than vampires. In most stories, the wolf-man is terrifying because he is our animal side made manifest. Even in stories where the Werewolf is a protector of some sort, he or she is usually full of anger and animal  blood-lust. But in Myer's world apparently, our animal side is too busy singing "Wouldn't It Be Nice" by the Beach Boys to go out and kill chickens at night.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #162 on: 04 Feb 2010, 12:25 »

The sound you hear is Vlad Tepes spinning in his Coffin.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #163 on: 04 Feb 2010, 15:26 »

The sound you hear is Vlad Tepes breaking the fuck out of his Coffin to seek vengeance.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #164 on: 04 Feb 2010, 21:27 »

The sound you hear is Vlad Tepes breaking the fuck out of his Coffin to seek vengeance.

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« Reply #165 on: 04 Feb 2010, 23:10 »

He wouldn't break out of his coffin to impale them.

We're talking about a guy who, when in solitary confinement for years, impaled spiders for fun.

He'd burrow his way out of the coffin and then see to it that they spent eternity writhing on a stick.

Because not shoving sharp sticks up their asses would be kinda dull.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #166 on: 05 Feb 2010, 02:32 »

Reading New Moon was one of the funniest experiences of what is now last year.  I don't think there is something that is more unintentionally hilarious than all the stuff that happened in it.  I am ridiculously excited for when the movie of it comes out because it will be totally worth the price of admission.

Oh, and I saw a couple interviews with Stephanie Meyer and....fuck me.  She comes off as so incredibly shallow it hurts. She comes off as basically a more restrained fangirl of her own work.  She almost brags that she purposefully didn't do any research on vampires before she started writing...which kind of explains perfectly the creatures that populate her book.
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« Reply #167 on: 05 Feb 2010, 06:35 »

The fourth movie needs to be made. It's insane.
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« Reply #168 on: 05 Feb 2010, 07:23 »

She almost brags that she purposefully didn't do any research on vampires before she started writing...

Actually, I rather like that idea. What she ended up with was crap, but it's not like we're talking about something that exists outside of fantasy so it's not like the vampire anti-defamation league is going to get pissed by your insensitivity when you come up with something different to what everyone else has, which is what she did. It just wasn't a good thing, but that's the fault of her bad writing. The idea's sound.
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Re: Twilight (Sorry for cursing)
« Reply #169 on: 05 Feb 2010, 08:34 »

The fact she did no research on Native Americans or the area of the country she set he book in is fairly vile & insulting though.

I like the idea of a creative bubble though, I'm really bad at doing that. Which is why I write stuff that's ALL about pop culture, I'm immersed in it.

I think if you look at a lot of other universes, whether it's Terry Prachet, Harry Potter, or even any Vampire construction, the universe has to have rules & stick to them, that's what makes people get into them.

For me True Blood has this is spades, they've made the rules & they stick to them, baring in mind it follows basical the same plot (When you really boil it down) but it's a thousand times more believable.

I found the universe she had created for her characters to inhabit utterly flawed.
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« Reply #170 on: 05 Feb 2010, 13:21 »

The thing is, she tried to justify her shitty writing and lack of research, instead of going "well ok, it doesn't really make sense, but hey! I have made a lot of money so pblblblblb"

She has said that she thinks of the vampires as more scientific beings and the werewolves as more magical. The vampires are scientific, what with their magical scientific venom that can either kill you or impregnate you. That is not how science works lady, come on.
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« Reply #171 on: 05 Feb 2010, 14:05 »

Glittery snakes with Downs Syndrome unite!
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« Reply #172 on: 05 Feb 2010, 14:18 »

That is not how science works lady, come on.

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« Reply #173 on: 05 Feb 2010, 16:59 »

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« Reply #174 on: 05 Feb 2010, 17:14 »

When the occasion calls for it.
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« Reply #175 on: 05 Feb 2010, 19:48 »

Speaking as a scientist... that picture is erroneous.
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« Reply #176 on: 05 Feb 2010, 20:32 »

She almost brags that she purposefully didn't do any research on vampires before she started writing...

Actually, I rather like that idea. What she ended up with was crap, but it's not like we're talking about something that exists outside of fantasy so it's not like the vampire anti-defamation league is going to get pissed by your insensitivity when you come up with something different to what everyone else has, which is what she did. It just wasn't a good thing, but that's the fault of her bad writing. The idea's sound.

See I really hate the idea because I think it shows laziness.  If I wanted to write a werewolf novel the absolute first thing I would do is as much research as I possibly can.  Even and especially if I'm going to be changing the mythology.  You run the risk of just being insulting to the thing you're using.  How many kinds of vampires do we have that share the same basic kinds of characteristics?  Nosferatu's, Dracula's, 30 Days of Night's, Cronos, From Dusk Till Dawn, Blade's?  Anne Rice's Stuff, Vampyros Lesbos (the best kind).  These are all different from each other but you would never, ever question that these creatures are vampires.  I would want to do my best to research whatever it is I'm doing because then I can not only pay respect to the classic mythology but can also change them in such a way that suits me but still stays true to the creature.
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« Reply #177 on: 06 Feb 2010, 17:27 »

I would want to do my best to research whatever it is I'm doing because then I can not only pay respect to the classic mythology but can also change them in such a way that suits me but still stays true to the creature.
That assumes you think there's value to staying true to the creature. Effectively saying that "This creature is what the term vampire has been alluding to all these years," isn't really bad writing in and of itself, particularly when you consider that the modern vampire is a chimera stitched together from all manner of different legends. In this case staying true is hardly even possible anyway.
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« Reply #178 on: 07 Feb 2010, 09:22 »

Had she tried to re-invent them & made them more AWESOME than say, The Lost Boys, it would have been fine. She took a myth based around repressed sexuality & made it both Lame & creepy at the same time.

The reason people, me included (& vampires have never been my favourite of all the "monsters" I'm a zombie girl at heart), have got all riled up is because there IS value in the creatures she's messing with.

Look at what the Blade character did with the Vampire myth, messed up all kinds of things, but it still had a backbone, spine and MADE SENSE.

The fact that the original Vampire myths came from many different sources & were then mostly characterised in the Bram Stoker novel, then we have had many layers of meaning from many different 20th century sources building it up to became something we all reckognise, even if each one is slightly different. Eg: In Lost boys he says "Garlic doesn't work"

Whether it's comic books like 30 days of Night, TV like Buffy, Novels like Anne Rice there is a sense of continuity in the use of Vampires, whats the point in calling it a Vampire if it isn't, she should of just called them Stalking Sparkle monsters.

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« Reply #179 on: 07 Feb 2010, 10:53 »

This reminds me of that penny arcade comic in which Gabe said that the difference between something being derivative and something being an homage is whether he likes it or not.
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« Reply #180 on: 07 Feb 2010, 11:01 »

Also, I think that the Lost Boys was ultimately as lazy and unambitious as Twilight ever was even if the photography was better than it needed to be. The setup is alright but then it descends into a standard "Kill the bads, roll credits," format, which is a shame since it doesn't deliver any visceral thrills. Vampires being creepy creepsters instead of really cool isn't necessarily a bad concept in and of itself. I just think Meyer was too crappy of a writer to pull it off well.
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« Reply #181 on: 07 Feb 2010, 11:27 »

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« Reply #182 on: 07 Feb 2010, 11:38 »

Vampires being creepy creepsters instead of really cool isn't necessarily a bad concept in and of itself. I just think Meyer was too crappy of a writer to pull it off well.

Honestly that's made me think a lot. I have a huge Lost Boys thing, it was one of the first 18 movies I ever saw & cemted my love of horror which had since evolved into liking much much better films. But I have such a soft spot for it. I used for the "teen" aspect & the making vamps look cool, but ultimately violent aspect.

But the idea that Meyer's themes weren't flawed, she is (I wanted to put as a writer, but leaving it like that is funnier.) is fascinating.

On a different note:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGd9qAfpZio&feature=video_response

Batmen vs. Twilight, sort of.
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« Reply #183 on: 07 Feb 2010, 13:20 »

according to yahoo one of the werewolf dudes is going to be in the stretch armstrong movie as stretch armstrong
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« Reply #184 on: 07 Feb 2010, 13:36 »

He's signed for a couple other films as well.  There are a few action films he's doing.  I think it's very interesting because the only things he's really done are the Twilight movies.  He's a completely untested (and bad) actor and he's signed onto a bunch of other things.  I'm surprised that they're throwing him projects because girls like him because he's Jacob Black.  He's also coming up in a movie releasing on Feb 12th called Valentine's Day.  He plays a small part.  But he's also being booked as Max Steel, he's also starring in Northern Lights, which they're throwing 7 million dollars at him for.  The boy has no proof as box-office potential and they're throwing projects at him. 
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« Reply #185 on: 07 Feb 2010, 13:38 »

but a stetch armstrong movie?! thats bad no matter how you write it!
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« Reply #186 on: 07 Feb 2010, 19:08 »

If by bad you mean good, and by good you mean so fucking terrible that it is actually hilarious and bad.

Also, wasn't stretch Armstrong a blond haired blue eyed sorta dude?
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« Reply #187 on: 07 Feb 2010, 21:04 »

Well, there's hope for some of the Twilighters, because the girl who plays Jessica is in Up In The Air and that's supposed to be good. (I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it's 100x better than Twilight because it doesn't appear to be a ridiculous pile of poo. Also it has George Clooney and Clooney > Pattinson/shirtless underaged boys.)
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« Reply #188 on: 07 Feb 2010, 21:11 »

according to yahoo one of the werewolf dudes is going to be in the stretch armstrong movie as stretch armstrong

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« Reply #189 on: 07 Feb 2010, 21:47 »

(I haven't seen it, but I'm sure it's 100x better than Twilight because it doesn't appear to be a ridiculous pile of poo. Also it has George Clooney and Clooney > Pattinson/shirtless underaged boys.)

This is so true. It is fantastic, really. Everyone needs to go see it as soon as they can because it is so great.
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« Reply #190 on: 07 Feb 2010, 22:48 »

according to yahoo one of the werewolf dudes is going to be in the stretch armstrong movie as stretch armstrong

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God now I am so confused. Is the movie about the band ir the toy??
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« Reply #191 on: 07 Feb 2010, 23:08 »

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« Reply #192 on: 07 Feb 2010, 23:13 »

Fuck yes. This movie will be great then"
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« Reply #193 on: 07 Feb 2010, 23:50 »

And she wasn't intending them to be creepy. Her work is much better on many levels that she did not intend at all than the one she did, such as the "Edward is an extremely awkward 108 year old virgin" standpoint, and the "Bella is the emotionally manipulative villain" standpoint (I don't remember exactly how the guy argued it, I might be able to find it, but it might have been archived by now, it was on SA).
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« Reply #194 on: 08 Feb 2010, 03:17 »

Her work is much better on many levels that she did not intend at all than the one she did, such as the "Edward is an extremely awkward 108 year old virgin" standpoint, and the "Bella is the emotionally manipulative villain" standpoint

No.  Nope.  Sorry. The Twilight Saga is about as complex as a toothpick.  The whole Edward is an extremely awkward virgin is true, we kind of know that, the allegory is obvious.  Stephanie Meyer stated it a bunch in interviews and I'm sure it's spelled out in the book at some point.  They have to stay virgins because otherwise their beautiful relationship just won't work, as much as Bella thinks otherwise.

And seriously, give me some quotes for how Bella is an emotionally manipulative villian.  Hell, give me some quotes about how Bella is even a character who has any kind of personality traits at all.  There is nothing there to her character, I read through all of...Breaking Dawn and the most I can come up with is that she loves Edward with all of her heart, loves Jacob Black...but only as a friend, and wants to keep her freak-child.....of whom she calls Renesmee but everyone calls her Nessie.  She doesn't like the name Nessie.  That was all I got.

And this is also a woman who actively in her books compares the Twilight Saga's "love" to Romeo and Juliet and some other classic romance novel.  Wuthering Heights. 
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« Reply #195 on: 08 Feb 2010, 20:23 »

He's awkward because he was a virgin for an entire century. No wonder the dude is an abusive asshole.
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« Reply #196 on: 08 Feb 2010, 23:37 »

It's only an allegory if it's a symbol. 

Edward being a 100+ year old virgin wasn't an allegory.  It was a fact.

Also, Alanis Morissette wasn't singing about irony.

Jack Black *was* singing about fucking her hard.
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« Reply #197 on: 09 Feb 2010, 02:11 »

Her work is much better on many levels that she did not intend at all than the one she did, such as the "Edward is an extremely awkward 108 year old virgin" standpoint, and the "Bella is the emotionally manipulative villain" standpoint

No.  Nope.  Sorry. The Twilight Saga is about as complex as a toothpick.  The whole Edward is an extremely awkward virgin is true, we kind of know that, the allegory is obvious.  Stephanie Meyer stated it a bunch in interviews and I'm sure it's spelled out in the book at some point.  They have to stay virgins because otherwise their beautiful relationship just won't work, as much as Bella thinks otherwise.
So did you intentionally misread my post? I said extremely awkward, the book tries to make him look like a perfect Greek god made (diamond-fragment-covered) flesh. It works better when he is thought of more realistically (repressed as hell).

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And seriously, give me some quotes for how Bella is an emotionally manipulative villian.  Hell, give me some quotes about how Bella is even a character who has any kind of personality traits at all.  There is nothing there to her character, I read through all of...Breaking Dawn and the most I can come up with is that she loves Edward with all of her heart, loves Jacob Black...but only as a friend, and wants to keep her freak-child.....of whom she calls Renesmee but everyone calls her Nessie.  She doesn't like the name Nessie.  That was all I got.
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3228587 for the whole thread. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3228587&userid=118075 for just the posts of the guy that is making that interpretation. He seems to make crazy movie interpretations his hobby, as well as being an asshole to anyone that takes a more conventional view or doesn't bother thinking "deeply" about every film they see. edit: Crap, that is the new moon thread. It has a bit of the same thing in there, but not as much as the twilight thread did. The twilight thread has been archived, so I can't get any quotes from it.

Oh, and in case someone here doesn't know (everyone should, but someone might possibly not know about SA if they are new to the whole internet thing), the Something Awful forums are probably not completely work safe. Nothing too graphic, and there is a word filter when you aren't logged in, but you don't want to be reading it at work.
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« Reply #198 on: 09 Feb 2010, 04:23 »

man, reading that thread reminds me how much I dislike some aspects of literary analysis. The whole "author is dead" stuff makes me feel like people completely disregard the author's involvement in actually writing the piece. While that guy's interpretation of the story was interesting and definitely different from the usual interpretations, saying "it doesn't matter what she meant when she wrote it" really annoys me. Other people saying "you're just outraged that teenage girls are reading it" also annoys me, because yes, I am annoyed that teenage girls are reading it. I am also annoyed that mature adults are reading it, because it is badly written and in general a boring story. Why should that undermine my opinion?


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« Reply #199 on: 09 Feb 2010, 04:29 »

Just out of interest, why do you think the author's intentions do matter?
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