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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #200 on: 28 Feb 2010, 14:17 »

Were should I start with Bob Dylan and others of the (electric) folk persuasion? I've been listening to On The Beach and the rest of Neil Young's Ditch trilogy and digging it immensely.

Stick a random pin in any of Dylan's 60's output and you've got a winner. Like Young in the 70's Dylan pretty much could do no wrong for near an entire decade all the while exploring new options with each album. For his one-man folk stuff Freewheelin' is probably the best bet, for his electric phase I'd go with Highway 65 Revisited, but I'm serious when I say get pretty much everything from that period.

Actually now I think of it, your best bet is probably Bringing It All Back Home, as it has 50% folk (the second half) and 50% electric rock (the first half) and also contains Subterranean Homesick Blues which is worth the money all by itself, and also has the finest lyrics of any album I know of. Blood On The Tracks is also one of the best albums of all time and pretty much a must (yes I'm a bit of a Dylanphile).
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #201 on: 01 Mar 2010, 01:19 »

I don't know anything about Jazz outside of Miles Davis, any suggestions on where to go?
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #202 on: 01 Mar 2010, 01:28 »

Do you know what type of jazz you prefer? Big band? Small group? Dixieland? Swing? Bop? Fusion?

Hahaha, no, I'm kidding, nobody prefers fusion.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #203 on: 01 Mar 2010, 01:34 »

Well, I like all the Miles Davis I have (Kind of Blue, Birth of the Cool, Bitches Brew) so stuff like that is good I guess.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #204 on: 01 Mar 2010, 01:35 »

Actually, have a listen to all of these, tell me which you like best, and we can go from there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86bO53-gpFs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqmgVOc-K1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeqwPX4T4E0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT4CVz1TXUg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q-ePYiCJYM

I only really go up to the 50s as far as jazz is concerned. After that you'll have to get someone else to help you out.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #205 on: 01 Mar 2010, 01:43 »

I like the 4th and 5th ones the most out of those.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #206 on: 01 Mar 2010, 01:44 »

Oh, listen to this too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acT3XJHrMlU

I'm just about to head out for a few hours but I'll get back to you.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #207 on: 01 Mar 2010, 01:58 »

That last one was pretty good too.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #208 on: 01 Mar 2010, 05:38 »

Okay so basically it seems like you're digging the modern jazz, which is fair enough. Seeing as how you already like Miles Davis I'd suggest you get a recording of Charlie Parker's Dial recordings. Just get the master takes, there's no need to go crazy and get all the alternates and false starts and what have you that are floating around. You'll notice that there are a lot of different editions of these recordings available: they're all the same, but because the original recordings were made over 50 years ago they're out of copyright now, which means a lot of different record companies are reissuing them. Anyway, Charlie Parker's quintet at the time he recorded on Dial included a very young Miles Davis.

Seeing as how you liked the Gerry Mulligan, I'd also suggest you give the Birth of the Cool album a listen: this was a band that included Mulligan and, again, Davis. It's quite different but very beautiful. There was an edition released several years ago called the Complete Birth of the Cool, which includes a bunch of live recordings which, though enjoyable, aren't essential: it's the cuts on the original album that are the good stuff. (There was also an album released by Mulligan late in his life called the Rebirth of the Cool, so don't get confused.) The Gerry Mulligan/Chet Baker quartet was one of the most famous groups in jazz history, so check out the original recordings by them (there's also a "reunion" album available which, while good, isn't a patch on the group's original recordings).

That Clifford Brown/Max Roach tune I posted was composed by Bud Powell, who was the major pianist of the early bop years (just as Charlie Parker was the most significant saxophonist for that style, Dizzy Gillespie the most important trumpeter, etc). There's a series of great compilations called, collectively, the Amazing Bud Powell - volume 1 is the best one to get. The Clifford Brown/Max Roach quintet is also well worth exploring further - active in the 50s, they weren't pure bop but a variant follow-up style called hard bop, which mainly differed by having a more hard-driving sound with some gospel influences creeping in. If you like classic bop you're almost certain to like hard bop. For the Brown/Roach group start with the self-titled album (it has a distinctive orange and blue cover). Blue Note was the label of choice for that style and there are literally hundreds of Blue Note albums from the late 50s and early 60s which can be classified as "hard bop", but some of the classics to check out are the Sidewinder by Lee Morgan, Una Mas by Kenny Dorham, and Page One by Joe Henderson.

Finally, a couple of great albums and personal favourites from this era which should be in any collection: Mingus Ah Um by Charles Mingus, and on a completely different note Waltz for Debby by the Bill Evans trio (you may have come across Evans playing piano on Miles Davis's Kind of Blue).

Beyond all that, you'll find that jazz is a pretty incestuous genre, so I'd recommend finding a musician you like (Davis, as we've seen, is an excellent example), reading about them and finding out who they worked with, and seeing where that leads you. It's how I got into jazz years ago when I really didn't know what I was talking about.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #209 on: 01 Mar 2010, 05:39 »

Damn, thanks man, I appreciate it  :-D
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #210 on: 01 Mar 2010, 06:12 »

You're welcome!

Oh and also, check out the several albums recorded by the (first) Miles Davis Quintet, in the 50s. It was one of the unquestionably great jazz groups. Start with 'Round About Midnight and if you like that pick up Relaxin' and Cookin'.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #211 on: 01 Mar 2010, 07:15 »

The Jesus Lizard.

Please keep in mind that I am somewhat of a pussy and don't want my ears completely shredded to pieces.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #212 on: 01 Mar 2010, 09:38 »

Does The Jesus Lizard sound ear shredding to you? I mean I know they're called "noise-rock" but I never thought they were actually that harsh on the ears. Anyway, The Jesus Lizard, like many bands, started really strong and stayed solidly good, but their later work is perhaps slightly less consistently amazing than the first 2 or 3 albums.  Start with Head, and if you like that, reward yourself with Goat. Be sure to get Liar and the first EP, Pure, but beyond that only bother if you're in love.

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #213 on: 01 Mar 2010, 12:14 »

Well, I like all the Miles Davis I have (Kind of Blue, Birth of the Cool, Bitches Brew) so stuff like that is good I guess.
Get some Herbie Hancock from the 60s, esp. Maiden Voyage.
And John Coltrane's Crescent.
For stuff like Bitches Brew: Weather Report.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #214 on: 01 Mar 2010, 16:10 »

Does The Jesus Lizard sound ear shredding to you? I mean I know they're called "noise-rock" but I never thought they were actually that harsh on the ears.

I've never actually heard anything by them so it seems I built them up in my mind.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #215 on: 01 Mar 2010, 16:13 »

I'd skip straight to Goat and then onto Liar.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #216 on: 02 Mar 2010, 20:51 »

i'd skip The Jesus Lizard entirely and go straight to the Rapeman album (i think it is still in the mediafire thread).
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #217 on: 03 Mar 2010, 04:08 »

Beyond all that, you'll find that jazz is a pretty incestuous genre, so I'd recommend finding a musician you like (Davis, as we've seen, is an excellent example), reading about them and finding out who they worked with, and seeing where that leads you. It's how I got into jazz years ago when I really didn't know what I was talking about.

This. John Coltrane was in Davis' band for some time and he went on to have a successful career of his own, making wonderful albums. The obvious one is A Love Supreme but I'm fond of Blue Train. (Although I always thought it should be called Blue 'Trane.)

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #218 on: 03 Mar 2010, 05:13 »

Guys, where do I start with Why?

I need to know them (him?) pretty well by two weeks time.
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« Reply #219 on: 03 Mar 2010, 05:45 »

Are you going to see them live? If that is the case and you want to be familiar with the songs they will most likely play you should grab Eskimo Snow (the latest), Alopecia (my favourite), and Elephant Eyelash (the album where Why? became a band and integrated more non-hip-hop elements). If you find you like those and seeing them live has converted you into a big fan, go back and visit the earlier albums where it was just Yoni.

If you want to dig a littler deeper, you could grab the Hymie's Basement album which is a collaboration between Yoni and Fog. You might also like the band Hood, who are awesome in their own right but also relevant to this post because collaborated with Why? (and Doseone) on their 2001 album Cold House.

I feel like I should elaborate about Eskimo Snow. Even though that is the album most of the live material will come from, I probably wouldn't start with that album. It is a bit of a headscratcher for anyone who has read anything about Why? because it is pretty much not a hip hop album at all. Maybe in spirit, if you will allow me to say such a silly thing. I would get Alopecia and Elephant Eyelash which are closer to what most people think of when they think Why?. Let those two really sink in and then move on to Eskimo Snow which is a surprising and rewarding album.

The most important piece of advice I can give you is pay attention to the lyrics. Yoni Wolf is a truly brilliant lyricist. I think every single Why? song has at least a few gems in it. Some of them, like "Good Friday", are basically 100% gems. Listening to the albums on headphones is probably a good idea. There is a lot going on in these songs and I am a pretty big fan of paying attention to the small details.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #220 on: 03 Mar 2010, 06:15 »

The reason I need to know about them is because the station's head of music has signed me up with an interview for Yoni on the 18th and I have absolutely no idea what to ask him, nor do I know them at all except in a 'oh yeah, I've heard of these guys' kind of way.

I've so far listened to Elephant Eyelash and enjoy it. Eskimo Snow is catching my interest a lot more though, so I'll give that a couple more spins.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #221 on: 03 Mar 2010, 06:36 »

I won't deny that Why? has some serious songwriting talent, but jesus does his voice grate. All of Seattle pretty much disagrees with me, though.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #222 on: 03 Mar 2010, 07:06 »

ask him about Hymie's Basement
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #223 on: 06 Mar 2010, 13:18 »

hey guys what is a good starting point for Cheap Trick
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #224 on: 06 Mar 2010, 13:45 »


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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #225 on: 09 Mar 2010, 19:06 »

So, I like Cap'n Jazz, American Football and Owls. What should I get by Joan of Arc, Make Believe and Owen? Should I get anything by Sky Corvair? I know that people love the shit out of Ghosts and Vodka and that I should listen to them, though I haven't gotten around to it yet.

Essentially: Help me navigate the dense catalog of Los Bros. Kinsella and their associates plz.

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« Reply #226 on: 09 Mar 2010, 19:11 »

Get all the Make Believe records in order. The very first self titled EP is the best thing they did. The three LPs are all good too. I miss this band and I hope they come back one day.

Owen's discography is decent but I'd start with the American Football album first.

If you really must try JOA, might as well give Joan of Arc, Dick Cheney, Mark Twain a shot.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #227 on: 09 Mar 2010, 19:23 »

For Ghosts and Vodka you should probablly start with Addicts and Drunks because it is the best
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #228 on: 09 Mar 2010, 19:35 »

It is also their complete discography.

Also, if you like Ghosts and Vodka, you might like the band Pele.
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« Reply #229 on: 09 Mar 2010, 19:47 »

I've already got the American Football LP! So should I just not bother with Owen?

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« Reply #230 on: 09 Mar 2010, 19:54 »

You should. It is good music to put on when you are trying to get someone to make out with you. Unless they listen to the lyrics.

Personally I would grab No Good For No One Now first. If you like that you will probably like any of his other records.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #231 on: 11 Mar 2010, 08:36 »

Sparklehorse?
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #232 on: 11 Mar 2010, 11:07 »

I'd go chronologically.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #233 on: 11 Mar 2010, 15:35 »

Sparklehorse?

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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #234 on: 12 Mar 2010, 12:33 »

Sun Ra? I've got and love Space Is The Place to a ridiculous amount but don't really no where to go next.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #235 on: 14 Mar 2010, 20:48 »

Ok, so can anyone tell me where to start with Elliott Smith?  I've heard so many good things, and I feel like his music is something I'd like.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #236 on: 14 Mar 2010, 21:34 »

I am no expert but I started with Figure 8 and was pretty hooked.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #237 on: 23 Mar 2010, 09:34 »

XO and Either/Or are also particularly good.

Guys, The Melvins.

Tell me where to start with The Melvins.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #238 on: 23 Mar 2010, 13:45 »

Depends what you want. Bullhead's where to go for their sludge side, but you might find the Atlantic period of Houdini, Stoner Witch or even the post-Big Business team-up work like (A) Senile Animal and Nude With Boots more accessible.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #239 on: 04 Apr 2010, 10:30 »

Beck.

i listened to 'one foot in the grave' because i have a boner for calvin johnson.  it was great.  but uh... now what? where do i go from here?
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #240 on: 14 Apr 2010, 21:12 »

Where should I start with Meshuggah?
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« Reply #241 on: 14 Apr 2010, 21:24 »

Obzen's as good a place to start as any

Either that or Chaosphere
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #242 on: 16 Apr 2010, 19:19 »

Thanks
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« Reply #243 on: 17 Apr 2010, 01:14 »

Beck.

i listened to 'one foot in the grave' because i have a boner for calvin johnson.  it was great.  but uh... now what? where do i go from here?

Guero is my favorite, but I think most people would say Odelay is his best?

Sea Change might be the most like one foot in the grave.
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« Reply #244 on: 17 Apr 2010, 14:22 »

From there you could go The Information --> Guero --> Odelay --> Mellow Gold. Midnight Vultures, Muations and a lot of the weird odd and ends have some good songs but they're not essential imo. Beck's last album was pretty cool, you could listen to that before The Information.
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Re: Where to start?
« Reply #245 on: 25 May 2010, 22:37 »

Where should I start with Eluvium?
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« Reply #246 on: 25 May 2010, 23:24 »

Copia.
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« Reply #247 on: 15 Jun 2010, 23:20 »

ok so i really want to download that new Devo album but i have never gotten into Devo and i feel like i should listen to some of their older stuff first. what should i steal from the internet?
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« Reply #248 on: 15 Jun 2010, 23:23 »

Q:We Are Not Men? A: We Are Devo! or Freedom of Choice
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« Reply #249 on: 16 Jun 2010, 01:08 »

The first three proper records, Q: Are We Not Men? A: We Are Devo!, Duty Now for the Future and Duty Now for the Future. Are incredibly strong. The compilation of early demos and recordings, Hardcore Devo, is also pretty well essential.

Another fun thing is watching videos of the band performing and giving interviews on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cadA5iANN2o
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