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who gets a lifetime pass?
« on: 06 Jul 2010, 19:57 »

a pretty simple premise: which famous person, be it musician, artist, filmmaker, actor, writer, etc. has done enough to earn and keep your respect for literally the rest of their lives regardless of whatever else might happen from this point onward in their career? don't just pick people you like, be prepared for the fact that they could do almost anything. they could record a tribute album to creed. they could become a spokesperson for peta. they could announce that paris hilton is going to play the lead role in every single film or television show they ever make ever again. you would still love them unconditionally and defend them until their death because of whatever they did that was just so, so good.

my pick is larry david (edited for image) -



i can honestly say that if he announced tomorrow that he was planning on spending the rest of his life doing nothing but making films that consist of rob schnieder and adam sandler farting on each other, i would probably cry a little bit but ultimately forgive him because of the sheer enjoyment and awe i have experienced over the years for curb your enthusiasm, probably the funniest thing on television today and certainly among the most creatively produced and well written. while i enjoyed seinfeld, curb has a way of very seriously impressing me more and more with every year despite my insistence every time that he just can't beat the genius of the previous one, in ways i could never in my life come up with. he's also pretty old already so hopefully there wouldn't be too many of those terrible fart movies anyway.

who would you give a lifetime pass to?
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« Reply #1 on: 06 Jul 2010, 22:41 »

Iggy Pop. If you heard most all of his output over the last 25 years you'd say he should be totally irrelevant. But those first 15 are so rich and important that it doesn't matter in the slightest.

Also, Prince. Dude is nuttier than a gay camel and more filler than killer on a good day these days, but Purple Rain.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #2 on: 07 Jul 2010, 00:01 »

Iggy Pop. If you heard most all of his output over the last 25 years you'd say he should be totally irrelevant. But those first 15 are so rich and important that it doesn't matter in the slightest.

Also, Prince. Dude is nuttier than a gay camel and more filler than killer on a good day these days, but Purple Rain.

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« Reply #3 on: 07 Jul 2010, 00:09 »

Alan Moore. Dude is a crotchety, bitter old wizard these days, but frankly he's earned his bitterness.

I'm pretty confident in 10 years, I'd want to put Christopher Nolan on this list, but I ain't going that far just yet.
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« Reply #4 on: 07 Jul 2010, 00:48 »

George Lucas.

I don't give a fuck what anyone says. The original Star Wars trilogy is a nearly flawless work of cinema that's served as the foundation for an expanded universe in which I spent more time as a child than any other (excepting meatlife).
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #5 on: 07 Jul 2010, 02:09 »

Neil Young: see John's entry on Iggy. Plus I feel like even the missteps he makes are always at the very least interesting, if not, y'know, good. Plus plus every single interview I've seen with the guy just makes me love him all the more.
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« Reply #6 on: 07 Jul 2010, 02:10 »

Tom Motherfucking Waits.
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« Reply #7 on: 07 Jul 2010, 02:22 »

Martin Walkyier.

Honestly, his lyrics for Skyclad were so awesome that if he started to write for the bold and the beautiful today I'd cheer him on like there'd be no tomorrow.
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« Reply #8 on: 07 Jul 2010, 02:28 »

Oh oh and Clint Eastwood. He could re-make Every Which Way But Loose for all I care
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« Reply #9 on: 07 Jul 2010, 03:09 »

Oh oh and Clint Eastwood. He could re-make Every Which Way But Loose for all I care

he already did it's called any which way you can
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« Reply #10 on: 07 Jul 2010, 03:11 »

I thought this thread was about the kind of free pass that means your spouse, upon answering the door to your free pass, says "have a nice time, off you go" to you. I think last night's meebo sex discussion extravaganza has warped my mind.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #11 on: 07 Jul 2010, 03:59 »

a pretty simple premise: which famous person, be it musician, artist, filmmaker, actor, writer, etc. has done enough to earn and keep your respect for literally the rest of their lives regardless of whatever else might happen from this point onward in their career?
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who would you give a lifetime pass to?

No one. Why would I love someone unconditionally if I don't even know them?

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« Reply #12 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:26 »

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #13 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:28 »

No one. Why would I love someone unconditionally if I don't even know them?


This is my sentiment exactly.  What happens when the person you admire unconditionally turns out to be Mel Gibson or Gary Glitter?
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #14 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:33 »

Of course, she did say

whatever else might happen from this point onward in their career

I guess that discounts people doing offensive or criminal things outside of their work, although that still leaves plenty of room for doing offensive or criminal things in their work.



I think what this thread needs is a more specific standard, one that isn't so open to interpretation. How about "Who would you still respect even if they started working with Insane Clown Posse?" Direct their videos, go on tour with them, whatever.

For me the answer to that question still stands at "no one."
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #15 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:35 »

You've got a point.   

I'm still not inclined to think that anyone is the bees knees just because, indefinitely. 
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #16 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:40 »

Incidentally, I encourage all previous responses to this thread to be reconsidered in light of my ICP standard.

Would you still like Larry Craig after he penned an ICP promotional gimmick?

Would you still like Alan Moore after he wrote an ICP comic?

Would you still like Iggy Pop after he guested on a couple tracks with ICP?



ADDITIONAL: Actually now that I think about it, Bruce Campbell might clear the ICP standard, because his entire career has basically been built on playing whatever crazy role he can. I might even respect ICP a little bit for reaching out to Bruce Campbell.
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« Reply #17 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:47 »

Would you still like Alan Moore after he wrote an ICP comic?

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« Reply #18 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:47 »

Because I'm feeling brave, I'm going to admit that I actually quite like ICP in a genuine, non-ironic way.
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« Reply #19 on: 07 Jul 2010, 04:48 »

I thought this thread was about the kind of free pass that means your spouse, upon answering the door to your free pass, says "have a nice time, off you go" to you. I think last night's meebo sex discussion extravaganza has warped my mind.

I always miss the good meebo conversations.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #20 on: 07 Jul 2010, 05:01 »

Wagner gets (got) a pass.
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« Reply #21 on: 07 Jul 2010, 05:20 »

On the one hand that's sort of cheating since you already know how his entire life went, plus values dissonance. I mean, you could imagine hypothetical situations in his later life and reflect on whether or not they affect your opinion, but that's still kinda cheating.

Then again, famous historical figures kind of epitomize what this thread is going for, since historians do tend to ignore the unsavory parts of otherwise admirable figures. For example, Wagner was pretty publicly anti-semitic; if he had composed an opera called "The Weaknesses of Jews" scholars would probably just not mention it.

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« Reply #22 on: 07 Jul 2010, 05:57 »

Excluding heroes of mild celebrity who I have already met and interacted with on a number of occasions (Steve Albini, Tim Midgett etc) -

Lenny Bruce



Obviously he was long dead when I was born but the great social critic and comedian has always been an all time hero simply because he was so very funny in an interesting and unique way. His usage of language, visionary view of society and sheer enthusiasm towards left-field culture has always been a massive inspiration for me. In fact, if he ever became hip again people would be calling me out a lot for all the material I have shamelessly swiped from him over the years. On occasions when I feel beaten down or marginalised by the opinions of others or indeed, because I have expressed my own opinion too loudly I always think about how easy it would have been for Lenny to capitulate to the irresistible dissenting voices who eventually managed to repress his unique insight. Of course, his humour was often considered inappropriate for the era and his arguments as to why the written or spoken word must never be considered verboten under any circumstances were the same that I often argue today. Likewise, his pleas against the rising tide of anti-intellectualism and critical thought which he could see forming even then. Lenny was the original Hipster and his work is easily the biggest inspiration to my world-view.

On the other hand, he was an incurable and voracious drug addict to rival borderline any historical figure you can name, which although I see was his own choice, also eventually made him squander his enormous talent. He was also prone to violent outbursts due to alcohol abuse, was an unrepentant womaniser, stole material mercilessly from his friends and peers and was not actually anywhere near the cultural sponge he claimed to be onstage. He didn't really know much about jazz, he didn't actually spend much time reading. These were affectations adopted for the sake of his onstage persona which eventually consumed his real life personality. He was also something of a compulsive liar, though that was usually to excuse or conceal his truly mind boggling intake of heavy drugs. He also died early and pointlessly when he had so much more to offer the world, leaving a young daughter. I suppose I have to forgive him for the above simply because if you remove him from my life, I wouldn't be remotely like I am today (debatable whether this is good or bad I guess!).

Neil Young



Somebody already mentioned Neil but I'll say it again because it's a big deal to me. If you don't have all of material from 1968-1979 then you are blowing it and need to stop listening to such weak bullshit. This scrawny Canadian dork invented and reinvented the style of music which could now be variously described as "alternative" or "indie" so many time during this decade or so that his influence is virtually incomparable in the history of rock music. His work with Crazy Horse in the late sixties and early seventies redefined guitar music and then abruptly switched to folk and country influenced Americana, which served to make him one of the most popular artists in the world. Rather than milk his success, he recorded a series of brutally uncompromising albums which deliberately confused and confounded his natural audience. These records, often referred to as The Ditch Trilogy, are some of the finest, most unflinchingly honest rock and roll performances ever cut to tape. Soon after he scaled the heights of popularity with records that successfully combined the soul of his previous work with the gigantic guitar sound that came to represent his ascent to stadium rocker extraordinaire. He then spent three decades doing what the fuck he liked, changing genres and styles at the drop of a hat, to the point where he was sued by his own record label for making unrepresentative music. Although I don't like any of his music since 1979, his attitude and creativity have always been a massive inspiration. Follow your muse, not the money.

Obviously Neil also recorded a lot of really terrible music over the years. Most of his work with Crosby, Stills and Nash is garbage. Practically his entire output of the eighties was unlistenable and he infamously backed Ronald Reagan. In the 90s he buddied up with rubbish stadium rockers like Pearl Jam and since then his output has been fairly bland. He's also earned his reputation as an exceptionally difficult man to work with or know. His desire to do whatever he liked artistically and professionally has left a wake of broken relationships, promises and careers. His image is also something of a fraud, though I suppose only part of it can actually be blamed on Young. He's also Canadian, which is borderline inexcusable even in creative genius.

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #23 on: 07 Jul 2010, 06:39 »

For example, Wagner was pretty publicly anti-semitic;

As were much of his society.  Note also that his preferred conductor, who directed the premières of several of his operas, was a Jew.
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« Reply #24 on: 07 Jul 2010, 06:46 »

Like I said, values dissonance. And anyway you're missing the point of why I brought that up; I wasn't arguing about whether or not he's anti-semitic, I was pointing out that historians tend to ignore the details.

That is, historians often give famous people a pass.
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« Reply #25 on: 07 Jul 2010, 06:52 »

David Byrne



Dude has done near everything already. I still think he's under-appreciated. Introducing alternative rhythms to popular music. Designing bike racks. Composing music for plays and movies. Visual art, choreography, writing, etc.

The man is a legend.

Plus, Talking Heads is one of the most insanely brilliant bands to have existed. They were doing things in 1977 that still seem fresh.
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« Reply #26 on: 07 Jul 2010, 06:52 »

Ironically, Lenny Bruce had a bit about how he adored WC Fields because of his considerable artistic talent and considered his virulent anti-Semitism to be an irrelevance.
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« Reply #27 on: 07 Jul 2010, 07:04 »

I'm going to change tack slightly and nominate former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating. He's an immensely divisive figure, and people generally love him or hate him - and I'm definitely in the former category. He was the last true "big ideas" politician we had. He was fearless in pursuing what he thought was best for the country. He was a driving force behind the referendum on Australian becoming a republic (which, when it eventually happened, was sabotaged by a mixture of the Australian Republican Movement's stupidity and pig-headedness and the then Prime Minister John Howard's deviousness). He was also, most famously, a brutal and uncompromising wit in Parliament. He was famous for being passionate about the music of Gustav Mahler - which years later prompted Howard, his arch-nemesis, to comment derisively (and in true phillistine fashion) that "I'm certainly not going to go off and sulk to Mahler" after something went against him. He was more supportive of the arts than most Australian politicians dare to be. He represented a side of Australia that we too rarely show to the world, less jingoistic and more intellectual. Living in Australia with him as Prime Minister was exciting in a way it almost never has been since.
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« Reply #28 on: 07 Jul 2010, 08:21 »

Industrial and neo-folk musicians Genesis P. Orridge, David Tibet, Tony Wakeford, Douglas P. and Boyd Rice.

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« Reply #29 on: 07 Jul 2010, 08:45 »

Would you still like Alan Moore after he wrote an ICP comic?


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« Reply #30 on: 07 Jul 2010, 09:05 »

What happens when the person you admire unconditionally turns out to be Mel Gibson or Gary Glitter?

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« Reply #31 on: 07 Jul 2010, 09:25 »

I agree with Alan Moore and Lenny Bruce.

I'm going to go ahead and also say that it really doesn't matter what Lorin Ashton (aka BassNectar) does with the rest of his life, he has already made such a thorough impression on me that I'll never be able to really speak ill of him.

Also, Wayne Coyne.  I'm so thoroughly enamored of the output of that man's mind that I've seen so far that I can't imagine a wrong turn he could take that would sour my view of him.

Alan Watts died a penniless and bitter alcoholic, and I really don't know what sort of nastiness he inflicted on people close to him in his life, but he gets a free pass for sure.  His writing on Eastern religion and general liberation theology is among the greatest in history by any measure, and he is my immediate choice for the one writer literally everyone should read at some point.

Robert Anton Wilson's writing was at times embarrassingly misogynistic and racist, but I don't give a shit, his books are fucking awesome and Prometheus Rising is a masterpiece no matter how arrogant it is.  He was almost no doubt a bastard but I'm always going to be able to get past that.
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« Reply #32 on: 07 Jul 2010, 10:16 »

Bill Murray
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« Reply #33 on: 07 Jul 2010, 10:22 »

^^^ I can get behind that.

Also, Hunter S. Thompson.
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« Reply #34 on: 07 Jul 2010, 10:27 »

Also, Hunter S. Thompson.

I thought about this one too. Just for The Great Shark Hunt. I feel like everybody thinks that Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas is his most important work but personally I think that The Great Shark Hunt is the most perfect encompassment of the man, his writing and the era in which he operated at his best. A really great work, I've read it cover to cover about ten times minimum.
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« Reply #35 on: 07 Jul 2010, 10:35 »

Yes, The Great Shark Hunt is probably his best work. A lot of ...on the campaign trail appears in it but that's also an amazing book on its own.

I would probably give a lifetime pass to most of my favourite authors.
Mark E. Smith would also get one, for pretty much the exact same reasons as in Tommy's Neil Young post.
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« Reply #36 on: 07 Jul 2010, 10:53 »

oh yeah, definitely Hunter S. Thompson (wasn't even thinking about Where The Buffalo Roam when I said Bill Murray! derp)

I really liked his botched (and debauched) "coverage" of the Kentucky derby. pretty disturbing stuff.
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« Reply #37 on: 07 Jul 2010, 11:01 »

George R.R. Martin. I've not read a single novel or short story by the man that wasn't absolutely brilliant. A Song Of Ice And Fire is a great, great series, but it's some of his earlier work that makes him stand out from the crowd. A Song for Lya and Sandkings are two of the best novelettes ever written. Fever Dream is a stunning vampire-novel, Dying of the Light is one of the saddest books I've read and there's simply too much to cover. He has through all of his work shown that you can use genres like fantasy and sci-fi to write stories that touches the very depths of human emotion. So he's got a free pass for sure - he could turn the new Songs series into a barbie-tribute for all I care. He could start writing Twilight fan-fics. He could even start making superhero no... oh, wait, he's already done that. And they're brilliant.

Dreamsongs really sums up all he's done in a great way. Check it out.
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« Reply #38 on: 07 Jul 2010, 11:07 »

Definitely Alan Moore and Bill Murray.

Neil Gaiman, anyone? For me, his short story collections, American Gods, Neverwhere, Stardust, Good Omens, Anansi Boys, the Sandman series (phew!) more than make up for whatever laughable or forgettable shit he could do. Like, okay, he worked on that Beowulf movie, but that didn't bother me none. I didn't see it. Whatever! Plus he's a charming motherfucker with an awesome fiancée. Here you go sir, you have your pass.

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« Reply #39 on: 07 Jul 2010, 11:10 »

Ok, done by the standard of people I generally love and will forgive anything bad they do, and by would I still like them if they worked with icp.

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Bill Murry
Wes Anderson
Neil Gaiman(I was typing this as you posted, De_El)
Steve Buscemi
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #40 on: 07 Jul 2010, 11:37 »



srsly.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #41 on: 07 Jul 2010, 13:25 »

The original Star Wars trilogy is a nearly flawless work of cinema

Really? Really?! A "nearly flawless work of cinema"? I highly doubt that, my good man. Don't get me wrong, I <3 Star Wars as much as anyone should, but it is a pretty crummy piece of cinema, cinematography, writing, acting and execution.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #42 on: 07 Jul 2010, 13:36 »

Also, Prince. Dude is nuttier than a gay camel and more filler than killer on a good day these days, but Purple Rain.

This is the best answer and I wish I had thought of it first.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #43 on: 07 Jul 2010, 14:29 »

Steve Howe for me. I just love his guitar work on the early-mid years Yes stuff more than I could love a human child. The dude created Asia and I've totally forgiven him for it, and I'd forgive him for playing with ICP too.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #44 on: 07 Jul 2010, 14:36 »

George R.R. Martin.
I keep meaning to read those super hero novels that I forget the name of, but so far I've only found them in hardback while perusing Barnes and Noble and I'm just too lazy to look them up and order them online, and I don't want to give up my discount.

Bill Murry, Wes Anderson and Neil Gaiman I all agree on, though I haven't read all of Neil Gaiman's stuff yet he's surprisingly a strong contender. I basically worship the ground at Wes Anderson's feet by this point and I'm pretty sure I would have to physically resist the urge not to for Bill Murray, and I don't care how hard he's taking his mid life crisis stuff.

Warwick Davis - He's done everything from Willow to the Leprechaun, and while many of the movies he's been in sucked he is awesome, and always will be. I would forgive him for anything, including but not limited to the supposed Leprechaun vs. Chucky movie that I've heard about.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #45 on: 07 Jul 2010, 15:37 »

Albert Einstein.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #46 on: 07 Jul 2010, 16:17 »

I think I put my trust in James Murphy

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #47 on: 07 Jul 2010, 16:41 »

Shigeru Miyamoto.  Pretty much every game he puts out I love.  I fucking bought Nintendogs because of him.  NINTENDOGS!!!  I stopped playing it after a while, but when I was playing it I fell in love.  Hell, I was paying more attention to it then I did my real dog.


Also Clint Eastwood because god damn do I love hearing his voice.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #48 on: 07 Jul 2010, 17:08 »

Fucking Clint Eastwood. I'll forever be disappointed that I look more like a 5'8" Brendan Fraser than the man with no name.
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