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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #50 on: 07 Jul 2010, 19:19 »

I certainly don't give George Lucas a lifetime pass, considering he already made me respect him less by making the prequels.

Which adds an interesting twist to this discussion. What if the heinous thing they did later was to ruin the amazing thing they did before?

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #51 on: 07 Jul 2010, 20:14 »

Don't forget Indiana Jones. That's 4 colossal failures and a few misguided shenanigans with ewok adventures et al.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #52 on: 07 Jul 2010, 20:16 »

Gordon Lightfoot. He is an incredible musician and a wonderful man. He wrote some of the most important music in Canadian history and has greatly influenced a lot of musicians that I love. He's 73 and still performs despite having had a tracheotomy in 2002 and a stroke in 2006. He's a fucking master of performance. He can basically do no wrong.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #53 on: 07 Jul 2010, 20:30 »

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #54 on: 07 Jul 2010, 20:32 »

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #55 on: 07 Jul 2010, 20:39 »

John Prine.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #56 on: 07 Jul 2010, 20:56 »

Which adds an interesting twist to this discussion. What if the heinous thing they did later was to ruin the amazing thing they did before?

I think that's kind of the point of the thread, Joe.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #57 on: 07 Jul 2010, 20:59 »

Don't forget Indiana Jones. That's 4 colossal failures and a few misguided shenanigans with ewok adventures et al.

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #58 on: 07 Jul 2010, 23:14 »

Come on man. Lucas wasn't even fully responsible for the best Star Wars movies, or many of the best things about the good Star Wars movie he directed!* The script of Empire Strikes Back, probably the best Star Wars film, is only 'based on a story' by George Lucas. THX-1138 is pretty good, and American Graffiti is ok, and I like some of the ideas behind Star Wars, but it's hard to argue that (at the very least following the success of Star Wars) George Lucas is not a raging, smug egocentric who works best when his ideas are strongly reined in and polished by other people. Literally every decision he has made since he wrapped post-production on the original Return of the Jedi has been on some level dreadful. Also, pursuant to indirect evidence from the Star Wars prequels, there are those Indiana Jones brainstorming transcripts that confirm that Lucas is almost comically racist in a very sad and ignorant way.


* Great things about the original Star Wars: special effects, sound design, music, production design, some cinematography, some performances.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #59 on: 07 Jul 2010, 23:16 »

My b. I'm sorry George Lucas, your new Indy movie was great.




Jackie Chan. He's the man. Though I'm not sure anyone is capable of undoing the magic Jackie's worked in his lifetime.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #60 on: 07 Jul 2010, 23:19 »

Lucas wasn't even fully responsible for the best Star Wars movies, or many of the best things about the good Star Wars movie he directed!

You repeated exactly what I said: Lucas lay the groundwork. I won't deny the material isn't better handled by, well, anyone, but without him none of it would have been possible. Period.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #61 on: 07 Jul 2010, 23:27 »

I repeated what you said, except in a way that implies Lucas to be an arsehole, not a genius.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #62 on: 07 Jul 2010, 23:35 »

I never denied that, but the two aren't mutually exclusive and this isn't a personality contest.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #63 on: 08 Jul 2010, 01:10 »

Dani Filth gets a lifetime pass from me. Khar and I have had many conversations about our first exposure to Cradle of Filth and we both came to the conclusion that it was basically the closest thing either of us might get to a religious experience. I first heard them in 1997, I was 11 at the time. My brother played me The Forest Whispers My Name and it was the first metal track I'd ever heard and it was just the most incredible thing I'd ever experienced. It has informed most of my aesthetic choices about myself over the years and inspired me to sing in a black metal band, something I've been doing for the last 5 years and while we're not really successful, it is one of the most important parts of my life. Dani Filth is really the only constant member of the band so really it comes down to him as he seems to have the most creative control. I've loved every album they've released thus far with the exception of Thornography which I only liked. Dani Filth could pretty much do anything and I'd forgive him for it but most likely it would be fucking rad.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #64 on: 08 Jul 2010, 02:01 »

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #65 on: 08 Jul 2010, 04:28 »

Someone give me a lifetime pass, I have all kinds of unbelievably malicious shit I'd like to be excused for in anticipation.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #66 on: 08 Jul 2010, 04:58 »

It's this kind of shit that led to the Reformation.
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« Reply #67 on: 08 Jul 2010, 05:11 »








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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #68 on: 08 Jul 2010, 05:20 »

Jackie Chan. He's the man. Though I'm not sure anyone is capable of undoing the magic Jackie's worked in his lifetime.

Oh yeah I definitely agree with that choice, and pretty much for the same reason as I brought up Bruce Campbell; his career is already based on doing every random crazy role that comes his way and we love him for it, so it's not like it would seem any different if he were to make some questionable career choices later. He's already made a bunch of shitty movies (The Medallian, the Tuxedo, etc) and I still think he's awesome. Even if he made a shitty rom-com with no martial arts in it at all* it'd still be like "oh jackie"

Now that I'm thinking along these lines, there are a few celebrities who've actually increased the respect I have for them through career moves later on. I'm thinking of guys like William Shatner, who used to be simply ridiculous buffoons but have evolved into sly commentaries about show business and celebrity culture.


*why would a studio hire him for a role that doesn't involve kicking people in the face? oh well I'm being hypothetical here
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #69 on: 08 Jul 2010, 05:40 »

I'm going to change tack slightly and nominate former Australian Prime Minister Paul Keating.

I was just in here to make exactly the same post. I was reminded by a snippet in the news last night in which Mr. Keating told a reporter in Perth who was hassling him at the airport to "nick off, OK?!" Fuck I love that man.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #70 on: 08 Jul 2010, 05:43 »

The Beatles.  All of them.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #71 on: 08 Jul 2010, 05:45 »

Except Paul
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #72 on: 08 Jul 2010, 06:12 »

The Beatles.  All of them.

Fuck me did John Lennon need one too.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #73 on: 08 Jul 2010, 07:19 »

Christopher Walken, Samuel L. Jackson, Steve Buscemi, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #74 on: 08 Jul 2010, 07:33 »

Nobody gets a free pass from me because I am always prepared to change my opinion of someone in the light of new information.  In the case of people in the public eye, I don't pay that much attention.  Those that I do get my attention are more likely to make me think less of them than more of them.

If you want, I can list people who I don't think would do anything bad artistically (or morally) but that's not the same as me giving them a free pass.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #75 on: 08 Jul 2010, 07:48 »

Christopher Walken, Samuel L. Jackson, Steve Buscemi, Gary Oldman, Alan Rickman.

Especially the first two.

Man, I started out thinking I wouldn't give a free pass to anyone, but I'm increasingly realize I already give a free pass to a lot of people.

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #76 on: 08 Jul 2010, 09:51 »

The Beatles.  All of them.

Fuck me did John Lennon need one too.

That's what I was thinking when I qualified the statement with "all of them."  And yeah, even though Paul's my least favorite, he gets the pass too.
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« Reply #77 on: 08 Jul 2010, 12:13 »

Tom Waits without a doubt.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #78 on: 08 Jul 2010, 12:16 »

I'd be surprised if anybody here has heard of him, but I'll say it anyway: Andreas Thiel.

Also, Norio Wakamoto's voice.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #79 on: 08 Jul 2010, 12:32 »

I was going to say Bob Pollard but then I thought about his recent output and all the suitcases and realised that everyone seems to have already given him a pass.
He probably deserves it though.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #80 on: 09 Jul 2010, 00:19 »

John Darnielle, although I say without the slightest bit of hyperbole that I do not ever see him having to use it.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #81 on: 09 Jul 2010, 04:58 »

John Allison.


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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #82 on: 09 Jul 2010, 06:27 »

for a while I thought there was no one, as my basic test was would I still respect this person on some level if they turned out to be a rasist sexist homophobic fuckstain and these oppinions started to play heavily into their work. But then I thought - Terry Pratchet, and yeah I think  he could write the next five disc world novels about how the KKK came in and purified the world and that still wouldn't be enough to undo the great work he has done so far.

Give it some time and Stephen Moffat might be there too. 
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #83 on: 09 Jul 2010, 06:30 »

John Allison. Joseph Hocking


I actually have sexy dreams about him with alarming regularity.

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #84 on: 09 Jul 2010, 07:03 »

I wish I had a lifetime pass...   For the D.C. Metro system.   That'd be awesome.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #85 on: 09 Jul 2010, 07:49 »

Norio Wakamoto's voice.

Far as voices go, Mako had a pass with me as well, but then he went and died. I guess there's not much need for a posthumous pass, but he earned it. The way he did Aku in Samurai Jack was deliciously over the top and Uncle Iroh cheerfully stole episodes of Avatar at an alarming rate.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #86 on: 09 Jul 2010, 08:45 »

John Darnielle, although I say without the slightest bit of hyperbole that I do not ever see him having to use it.

So true. The Life of the World to Come may not have been complete solid gold like some other Mountain Goats albums, but got damn it's still fucking great.

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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #87 on: 10 Jul 2010, 11:18 »

I wish I had a lifetime pass...   For the D.C. Metro system.   That'd be awesome.

i paid 5 dollars for the first time last night for metro. i was incredibly upset. 
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« Reply #88 on: 10 Jul 2010, 18:23 »

for a while I thought there was no one, as my basic test was would I still respect this person on some level if they turned out to be a rasist sexist homophobic fuckstain and these oppinions started to play heavily into their work. But then I thought - Terry Pratchet, and yeah I think  he could write the next five disc world novels about how the KKK came in and purified the world and that still wouldn't be enough to undo the great work he has done so far.

Give it some time and Stephen Moffat might be there too. 
This is basically also my answer, because I would probably attribute anything terrible Pratchett did at this point to Alzheimers (sigh). Except replace Moffat with Neil Gaiman.
Oh, and Margaret Atwood. At this point, she could not possibly turn me against her.
It sort of defeats the purpose of the exercise, because it's not a true lifetime pass, but my choices are based, to an extent, on the fact that I trust these people never to actually become morally awful, so I can deal with seeing them perhaps producing subpar work at some stage in the future.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #89 on: 10 Jul 2010, 19:02 »

I wish I had a lifetime pass...   For the D.C. Metro system.   That'd be awesome.

i paid 5 dollars for the first time last night for metro. i was incredibly upset. 

Yeah but the zoo is free, what else would you do in D.C.?
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #90 on: 10 Jul 2010, 20:52 »

Norio Wakamoto's voice.

Far as voices go, Mako had a pass with me as well, but then he went and died. I guess there's not much need for a posthumous pass, but he earned it. The way he did Aku in Samurai Jack was deliciously over the top and Uncle Iroh cheerfully stole episodes of Avatar at an alarming rate.

I don't think he will ever need a pass since everything he did was gold.  Even the alarm clock in Duck Dodgers was awesome.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #91 on: 10 Jul 2010, 21:09 »

This is another posthumous example, but it is relevant because Bea Arthur actually DID very publicly support PETA, and I can't help but think that her misguided heart was somehow in the right place.  Pretty much all the Golden Girls are solid in my book.

Other than that, the first person I thought of was Tom Waits, who is apparently a very obvious choice.
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« Reply #92 on: 10 Jul 2010, 21:25 »

I'm still amazed that Dylan hasn't been mentioned.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #93 on: 10 Jul 2010, 21:31 »

Thomas or Bob?

God knows they could both use it.
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« Reply #94 on: 10 Jul 2010, 21:35 »

Yes.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #95 on: 10 Jul 2010, 23:25 »

Henry Rollins. I am iffy about forgiving anything, but once he's done Rollins Band and I still love the dude I think he's basically covered.
What about Wartime? I would say that is much worse than Rollins band.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #96 on: 11 Jul 2010, 01:10 »

Henry Rollins totally gets a pass, so much gold.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #97 on: 11 Jul 2010, 05:24 »

George R.R. Martin.
I keep meaning to read those super hero novels that I forget the name of, but so far I've only found them in hardback while perusing Barnes and Noble and I'm just too lazy to look them up and order them online, and I don't want to give up my discount.

I've read somewhere (maybe on George's blog?) that they've been out of print for ages, so it's not easy to find them anywhere, especially the older ones.
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Re: who gets a lifetime pass?
« Reply #98 on: 11 Jul 2010, 09:30 »

John Allison.


I actually have sexy dreams about him with alarming regularity.

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« Reply #99 on: 11 Jul 2010, 10:17 »

Henry Rollins. I am iffy about forgiving anything, but once he's done Rollins Band and I still love the dude I think he's basically covered.

What about Wartime? I would say that is much worse than Rollins band.

What about all those Gap adverts, latter day Black Flag, his godawful poetry, a bunch of lame films and his fairly terrible books?
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