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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #100 on: 23 Sep 2010, 11:29 »

....    see? 
We're protective of good people.  :-)

But... but... they're all  good people. 

Even Sven. 

 :-D
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #101 on: 23 Sep 2010, 12:15 »

Probably the wrong thread to bring this up, but I could get behind a little Faye hatred at this point. I've said it before, and I'll say it right here
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #102 on: 24 Sep 2010, 04:15 »

Those seem all like reasonable suggestions. I'm beginning to wonder how much longer Marten will be the good guy.

I'm wondering how much he actually regrets not being with Faye, the whole thing with Toto etc. I wonder what will happen, if their relationship is solid still or if it's beginning to be reassessed?
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #103 on: 25 Sep 2010, 21:47 »

Equine-necro-sadism time!   

This thread went wayyyy  off target a whhile ago, so let's bring it back...

I was looking for something else, and the last panel of 960 jumed out at me.  I just am stunned at the generous sprinkling of Dora's backstory all through the strip.  The whole Dorapocolypse was foretold! 
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #104 on: 25 Sep 2010, 23:29 »

Yes, I actually think she's the most developed character in the strip, save Marten. When you think about it, we know very little about Faye's past other than her relationship with her father, but Dora's is there, as you say, scattered throughout the comic.

The thing with Dora that throws readers as well as the rest of the cast, I suspect, is that she's not usually all that insecure about other parts of her life. Plus, like a ton of people I know with low self-esteem, particularly when it's focused in one area more than others, Dora presents a strong front that says everything but 'I don't feel good about myself.'

On the other hand, I get a strong impression that prior to becoming a part of Marten's 'circle' (or whatever you'd call it) Dora was entirely focused on her business, and might have even been celibate, despite all her come-ons to Faye and Marten that would tend to make one think she was a sexual dynamo.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #105 on: 26 Sep 2010, 03:05 »

On the other hand, I get a strong impression that prior to becoming a part of Marten's 'circle' (or whatever you'd call it) Dora was entirely focused on her business, and might have even been celibate, despite all her come-ons to Faye and Marten that would tend to make one think she was a sexual dynamo.
Well, her previous circle didn't sound very appealing. Clove cigarettes? Ew!
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #106 on: 26 Sep 2010, 05:55 »

Equine-necro-sadism time!   

This thread went wayyyy  off target a whhile ago, so let's bring it back...

I was looking for something else, and the last panel of 960 jumed out at me.  I just am stunned at the generous sprinkling of Dora's backstory all through the strip.  The whole Dorapocolypse was foretold! 

interesting. i came across this one awhile back after hitting 'random' a few times.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #107 on: 26 Sep 2010, 13:59 »

might have even been celibate, despite all her come-ons to Faye and Marten that would tend to make one think she was a sexual dynamo.

Her mom certainly thought so, to the extent of figuring that Dora needed a PulseMaster 9000.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #108 on: 26 Sep 2010, 20:34 »

Celibacy may have been a more recent development related to the running of a small business. 

Really, who has the time? 
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #109 on: 26 Sep 2010, 23:26 »

....    see? 
We're protective of good people.  :-)

But... but... they're all  good people. 

Even Sven. 

 :-D

Even Beatrice Chatham and Vespavenger?
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #110 on: 27 Sep 2010, 04:35 »

BC had a softer side.  Tried to show her daughter that she loved her.  And Vespavenger was just severely misguided. 
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #111 on: 27 Sep 2010, 09:47 »

It's noteworthy that the strip has a paucity of villains
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #112 on: 27 Sep 2010, 12:48 »

Don't forget Meena. Meena was evil—that was why Saint Dave of the Good Works had to marry her, to protect others.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #113 on: 27 Sep 2010, 14:04 »

Wait, wasn't Dave a serial killer in his sleep or something? 

Or was he just a NiceGuyTM?

Oh you spin doctor, you...
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #114 on: 27 Sep 2010, 16:31 »

Oh, great googly moogly, let's not start in about dreaded, evil NiceGuyTM again. Geeezus.

It's noteworthy that the strip has a paucity of villains
Truthfully, it doesn't need 'em. Or have you not noticed that most of the cast members' worst enemy is him or herself*? Probably more of Jeph writing what he knows.

*and Pintsize, of course. But I'm not sure he means to be. Or perhaps he means to be but wants them all to beleive he doesn't, therefore leaving him free to pursue his reign of nervousness (Pintsize hasn't really made it to terror yet, aside from that brief time with the chest laser).
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #115 on: 02 Oct 2010, 04:06 »

BC had a softer side.  Tried to show her daughter that she loved her.  And Vespavenger was just severely misguided. 
You're definitely great at making excuses. :-D


Don't forget Meena. Meena was evil—that was why Saint Dave of the Good Works had to marry her, to protect others.
ROTFL :-D
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #116 on: 02 Oct 2010, 08:05 »

You're definitely great at making excuses. :-D

I consider myself an amateur apologist

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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #117 on: 03 Oct 2010, 15:46 »

Part of the reason Dora's reaction pisses me off (a lot) is because of a perception that many MANY people have, both men and women. The perception is that the woman in a relationship is entitled to be as unreasonable as possible because (a) "that's just how women are" and (b) she "holds all the cards" and it's up to the guy to beg, plead, obey, kiss up, etc. You don't see TV ads with women staring at hot guys and then their husband or boyfriend looking at them with contempt as their woman tries to explain. There are A LOT of men who in Marten's situation would probably spend whole days begging and pleading for the wife/gf to forgive him, as well as women who feel like it's their duty to act like Dora is. Switch genders and you have a Lifetime movie.

Yeah, because contemporary pop-cultural depictions of women are completely accurate, and don't buy at all into stereotypes that have remained pretty much unchanged since Aristophanes wrote Lysistrata. You know, that we're inherently irrational, because we've got wombs (just for fun, look up the origin of the word "hysteria").

So... wait - I can't tell what side of the argument you're on.

It sounds like you are saying that Dora's behavior is unrealistic (while ignoring the fact that just because not everybody acts like that doesn't mean nobody acts like that - and it's not something we've seen from anyone except Dora and maybe Faye). But the placement of your argument (i.e. who you are bringing it out in response to) seems to be like you are saying that her behavior is justified.

Since, you know, jordinyc was arguing against the same cultural stereotypes you're arguing against, only s/he was arguing against the equally present idea that such things are _justified_.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #118 on: 04 Oct 2010, 07:32 »

I think the argument was that the attitude towards women in relationships that jordi was describing is much less prevalent or acceptable to the majority of people in real life than in fictional depictions of relationships, and that people tend to overstate the degree to which "women can get away with anything" in the media, just as they overstate the idea that "women are irrational, and therefore should be able to get away with anything".
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #119 on: 04 Oct 2010, 18:00 »

True story, I once had a woman I was dating undergo a near-psychotic breakdown in front of me, quoting things I'd never said and panicking about everything she saw until she was finally in tears, shaking and near-suicidal. When I asked her what it was all about, she just responded "I don't know, I'm on my period." Of the people I asked, it was almost evenly split between those who said she had serious issues and those who said it was more or less par for the course.

It's true, there is a dynamic that our society that ultimately makes life harder on everyone. As should be obvious to any observer, women are on average no more irrational than men (and no less, fuck you daytime sitcoms), however when women are irrational, the men (or women) they're with are just expected to deal with it as it's considered just a normal part of existence. And sometimes it's really fucking hard. By that same token, when those same women act irrationally, there's an overwhelming sentiment that it can be attributed to the fact that she's a woman. So the extreme majority of women who are calm and rational under any reasonable circumstances get labelled as ultimately irrational and perhaps just doing their best to fight their own "instincts".

Men who date women with issues should only have to put up with their irrationality to the same degree as women who date men with issues. Support them, love them and help them get through it, but never accept it and under no circumstances reframe your viewpoint to make it something you "just have to deal with". And women without issues should not have to deal with the stigma of being believed irrational until proven otherwise. While the majority of the population is waking up to the fact that people are people and gender is neither an excuse for nor a cause of irrationality, there is still a sentiment to the contrary that is toxic and needs to go away because it benefits no one. It forces men to internalize a large amount of emotional suffering, it causes women to have to work harder than they should have to to be taken seriously, it furthers the stigma surrounding men with emotional issues because it also reclassifies them as effeminate and it also validates and reinforces the behaviour of women who actually do suffer from psychological issues because it causes them to not recognize their own problems and seek help.
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Re: Ok! Dump her ass!
« Reply #120 on: 06 Oct 2010, 00:18 »

(3) Marten was IN FACT CURSED BY VOODOO ZOMBIES and that's why every girl he dates, no matter how intelligent or emotionally stable they are, are destined to be fucking psychos.

They exist?!? I must find these Voodoo zombies and exterminate them, for I think they got me with their curse, too.

(No, I don't think all women are psychos. I just think I either have horrible luck or need to readjust my dating pattern.)


Faye and Dora should get into a fight - like, some John Woo-style shit. It'll be like the fight between Uma Thurman and Lucy Liu in Kill Bill, only more epic because instead of swords they will have LASER SWORDS

Marten will, initially, be altruistic and try to reconcile everyone's problems by interceding in the fight, but Steve will make him realize that girl fights with LASER SWORDS are awesome

Pintsize will record the entire thing and upload it to Youtube

Of course at the end of all this there will be an obligatory orgy between all of the QC characters. Crisis averted.

Hellz yeah. I never realized, before, that what QC really doesn't have enough of is laser swords. Of course, perhaps that could be said about all webcomics...... :lol:



Hmmmm
How about this:
Marten, completely reasonably, breaks up with Dora and kicks her out, and then comes to the sinking realization that with Penelope with Wil, Faye with Angus, Tai with Multiple People, all female, Sara with an Allosaurus, Cosette with Steve, the only single girls currently in his life are Hanners, Marigold and Raven. Raven is not there, and if she were there, couldn't keep a relationship and would be a lesbian every other day. Marigold is too much of a shut-in recluse and too addicted to WoW(and probs gonna end up with Dale) to have a relationship outside of her own apartment. Hanners is afraid of sex, kisses, germs and physical contact, end of story.
Due to this, He walks to Steve's place, drags him by the arm to the bar, and there they find Jimbo making out with a very drunk Tai, and Sven passed out in the bathroom. Jimbo, Tai, Steve, Marten and Sven then drink all their troubles away, while exchanging classy small-talk. As Marten is walking home, he and Steve encounter a familiar foe in an alley...the Vespavenger. Pizza Girl arrives to save the day, but is knocked out, and then unmasked(spoiler: It's Penelope) by another supervillain, arriving on the scene...some chick. She, the Vespavenger and Vespabot then murder Steve, and tie up Marten and force him to watch. They're about to kill Marten, when both Vespavenger and unnamed supervillain are shot in the face, and cinderblocks are dropped on the Vespabot's head(Again, by Pintsize). The assailant? None other than a now-conscious Penelope, who utters the catchphrase 'Did you order a pizza, EXTRA DEATH?'
We then find out that the unnamed supervillain and the Vespavenger are secretly Dora and Raven. With both of them gone, Faye begins a tyrannical rule over Coffee of Doom until she is shot by a now-crazed Hannelore, who proceeds to kill Penelope, Wil, Angus, a couple slaves, Cosette, Marten(Who was at the time dating Cosette), Sven, Tai, Jimbo, and anyone else in the vicinity before being killed by an unknown female heroine, masked in shadows.
We then get an introductory comic to the character, because now, she is the focal point of the strip(Every other character being dead(Except for Sara, Ellen, and anyone else who completely disappeared), with her newly adopted Robo-sidekicks, Pintsize, Winslow and Momo, as well as her pets, a loudly-chirping English-speaking Bird, with the amazing power to insert a reference to sex into every sentence, and a Dog with the amazing power to punch things long distances. with these as her sidekicks, she is...
Sweet-Tits. Well, her real name is Rosemary Moore, but ever since her secret identity went public, she went from 'Hey, who's that weird chick' to 'Hey, isn't that Sweet-Tits?'
Anyway, Sweet-Tits is a cool gal, seh fights crime and doesn't afraid of anything.

Now... this has convinced me that QC has the greatest tinfoil-hatted fan theorists in the history of online fiction.  Well, actually, I was already convinced, back during that guest comic where they go to the moon.  But now I know that it's definitely a pattern.



...Phew... from this point on we get into the reeeeeally long marriage debate.  While a lot of it was quite intelligent and insightful, it's just not what I came here to discuss; I think it deserves its own topic.  Sooooo... I'll keep those replies to a minimum.


My sister-in-law is a divorce lawyer, and she specialises in (and has written a book on) "divorce" of unmarried couples.  It's clearly no less traumatic in some cases!

I wanted to chime in and second that.  Last year I was dating a live-in S.O., and it ended with a breakup and a moving out.

No one wants to be living with the person they just dumped. It is extremely hard on both parties since they can't completely move on until one moves out.  And in many ways, living together is functionally similar to being married.  So ending such a relationship feels a lot more like a divorce, because there's nothing casual about it.  And man, the packing process is definitely not pleasant.



True story, I once had a woman I was dating undergo a near-psychotic breakdown in front of me, quoting things I'd never said and panicking about everything she saw until she was finally in tears, shaking and near-suicidal. When I asked her what it was all about, she just responded "I don't know, I'm on my period." Of the people I asked, it was almost evenly split between those who said she had serious issues and those who said it was more or less par for the course.

It's true, there is a dynamic that our society that ultimately makes life harder on everyone. As should be obvious to any observer, women are on average no more irrational than men (and no less, fuck you daytime sitcoms), however when women are irrational, the men (or women) they're with are just expected to deal with it as it's considered just a normal part of existence. And sometimes it's really fucking hard. By that same token, when those same women act irrationally, there's an overwhelming sentiment that it can be attributed to the fact that she's a woman. So the extreme majority of women who are calm and rational under any reasonable circumstances get labelled as ultimately irrational and perhaps just doing their best to fight their own "instincts".

Men who date women with issues should only have to put up with their irrationality to the same degree as women who date men with issues. Support them, love them and help them get through it, but never accept it and under no circumstances reframe your viewpoint to make it something you "just have to deal with". And women without issues should not have to deal with the stigma of being believed irrational until proven otherwise. While the majority of the population is waking up to the fact that people are people and gender is neither an excuse for nor a cause of irrationality, there is still a sentiment to the contrary that is toxic and needs to go away because it benefits no one. It forces men to internalize a large amount of emotional suffering, it causes women to have to work harder than they should have to to be taken seriously, it furthers the stigma surrounding men with emotional issues because it also reclassifies them as effeminate and it also validates and reinforces the behaviour of women who actually do suffer from psychological issues because it causes them to not recognize their own problems and seek help.

I don't normally just post to echo what somebody said, but in the case of your contribution, I feel the unusual urge to simply reply with a one-word response that proclaims "THIS."

But since I've obviously far exceeded the one-word mark, I will instead leave you with this ever-so-slightly verbose and yet roughly equivalent statement, which still seeks to express a simple sentiment which could be expressed as follows: "word, bruthah." :mrgreen:
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