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20 (10.1%)

Angus (CHECK - Couldn't believe it)

7 (3.5%)

Tai (CHECK - Emo Marten)

76 (38.2%)

Raven

4 (2%)

Steve

31 (15.6%)

Cosette

2 (1%)

Jimbo

9 (4.5%)

Ms. Vance (CHECK! She's on the next plane out!)

18 (9%)

Mr. Reed

2 (1%)

The Bianchis

2 (1%)

Penelope

13 (6.5%)

Dale (Daaaaangg.)

15 (7.5%)

Total Members Voted: 169

[PaxCeciliaPwns]

I've always been taught saying "Me and Sven" is grammatically incorrect.

Good comic though. I've always been a Marten-Faye guy, but she clearly wants things to work with Angus.
Not gonna stop reading though, talk about dramatic. 

[maxh]

But "Sven and me" didn't even sound right to me either. In fact I've always been confused on when you say "John and I" or "John and Me" or "Me and John." As a kid I was taught that is was always "John and I" no matter what but I've heard different since then. Anyway wouldn't it be "Sven and I?" After all later in the same speech bubble she says "You and I." Why is it different? 

You use "I" or "me" the same as if the other person weren't in the sentence.

[jwhouk]

I'm claiming Hodgson's Law RIGHT NOW.

[Carl-E]

Had to look it up...

[iduguphergrave]

But "Sven and me" didn't even sound right to me either. In fact I've always been confused on when you say "John and I" or "John and Me" or "Me and John." As a kid I was taught that is was always "John and I" no matter what but I've heard different since then. Anyway wouldn't it be "Sven and I?" After all later in the same speech bubble she says "You and I." Why is it different? 

You use "I" or "me" the same as if the other person weren't in the sentence.

So "I" and "me" are interchangeable?

I'm claiming Hodgson's Law RIGHT NOW.

hehe I know, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to create a monster  Luckily I doubt this can snowball into 30+ pages of arguing about grammar

[Is it cold in here?]

Nautical metaphors for relationship are a recurring theme:
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=172

[Tergon]

hehe I know, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to create a monster  Luckily I doubt this can snowball into 30+ pages of arguing about grammar

Technically, it's possible that it could.  So I don't think that "I doubt this can snowball..." is correct.  You should have said, "I doubt that this will snowball..."

[jwhouk]

(throws a snowball at Tergon)

[iduguphergrave]

Damn you beat me to it! *drops her snowball* Whatever, neither of you are allowed in my snow fort. 

[Tergon]

Oh come on, I just had to.  You'd have done the same to me.

[iduguphergrave]

I did indeed set myself up for it   

[Sharp]

Considering that a lot of their music has to do with sea shanty type stuff, it doesn't have to be Mariner's Revenge. They've got others.

Or maybe the Rogue's Gallery compilation.

If your significant other ever puts on Mariner's Revenge as a prelude to being intimate, that is probably a Bad Sign.

I would hope Faye went for "Yankee Bayonet" just for the humor value. Angus'd appreciate it, I'm sure.

( now I've gone and done it. please, please, please no innuendo about 'Yankee bayonets hur hur' I still feel bad for being the originator of That )

OK, I need to hear more of their stuff.  The CD my daughter compiled for me is woefully lacking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvGwY4tEJQM <-- "Yankee Bayonet (I Will Be Home Then)".

I can totally see Faye and Angus singing this, or it being the anthem of their FIRST NIGHT OMGOMGOMGBBQ, or whatever. It's also just a lovely Goddamn song in general. Ask your daughter to lend you "The Crane Wife". Good album.

Damn, now you've got me going. 

But I think We both go down together may be more appropriate? 

As for an "our song", I'm afraid they already have one. 

Hmm, well Angus has been compared to Colin Meloy on a few occasions, it has my approval all right. 
But if Faye has Angels in Her Angles, then what else does she have? Cupids in Her Curves? Demons in Her Drawl? I sure as Hell think so.

And tangentially, I posit that Tai's "first" song would be Digital Love. (DOHOHO)

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

Considering that a lot of their music has to do with sea shanty type stuff, it doesn't have to be Mariner's Revenge. They've got others.

Or maybe the Rogue's Gallery compilation.

If your significant other ever puts on Mariner's Revenge as a prelude to being intimate, that is probably a Bad Sign.

I would hope Faye went for "Yankee Bayonet" just for the humor value. Angus'd appreciate it, I'm sure.

( now I've gone and done it. please, please, please no innuendo about 'Yankee bayonets hur hur' I still feel bad for being the originator of That )

OK, I need to hear more of their stuff.  The CD my daughter compiled for me is woefully lacking...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvGwY4tEJQM <-- "Yankee Bayonet (I Will Be Home Then)".

I can totally see Faye and Angus singing this, or it being the anthem of their FIRST NIGHT OMGOMGOMGBBQ, or whatever. It's also just a lovely Goddamn song in general. Ask your daughter to lend you "The Crane Wife". Good album.

Damn, now you've got me going.  

But I think We both go down together may be more appropriate?  

As for an "our song", I'm afraid they already have one.  

Well of COURSE 'Africa' is Their Song, yeah. But out of the Decemberists' milieu...

Ooh, "We Both Go Down Together!" Okay, that would be more a song about Faye and Angus. "Yankee Bayonet" would be more a karaoke night duet.

EDIT: HEARTILY AGREEING WITH SHARP'S ASSESSMENT ABOVE

[maxh]

But "Sven and me" didn't even sound right to me either. In fact I've always been confused on when you say "John and I" or "John and Me" or "Me and John." As a kid I was taught that is was always "John and I" no matter what but I've heard different since then. Anyway wouldn't it be "Sven and I?" After all later in the same speech bubble she says "You and I." Why is it different? 

You use "I" or "me" the same as if the other person weren't in the sentence.

So "I" and "me" are interchangeable?

No; you use either "I" or "me" based upon which you would use without the other person.

[Sharp]

EDIT: HEARTILY AGREEING WITH SHARP'S ASSESSMENT ABOVE

[akronnick]

OMG, we're still arguing about Faye's Grammar!?!?!?!

There are three 'rules' she's breaking in that sentence, I'll list them:

1: Always list "I" or "me" last in a pair or list. "Sven and me" rather than "Me and Sven"

2: Choose "I" or "Me" in a list or pair as if it were not in a list or pair. "I was a speedboat" rather than "Me was a speedboat;" therefore "Sven and I was a speedboat" rather than "Sven and me was a speedboat"

3: Conjugate the verb acting on a list or pair as if it were plural, i. e. substitute the collective pronoun and then conjugate. "We were a speedboat" rather than "We was a speedboat;" therefore "Sven and I were a speedboat" rather than "Sven and I was a speedboat"

**BUT**

You'll notice that above I put " 'rules' " in scare quotes. The reason I did this, and what prescriptivist teachers forget, is that they are not rules, but merely recommendations.

Grammar is not physics, nor is it mathematics.

There is no such thing as "correct" grammar.

There is standard grammar, formal grammar, or recommended grammar, but it is important to remember that these standards are entirely arbitrary.

The only thing that makes one form more correct than another is that someone somewhere wrote it down in a book that that was "the rule."

In Physics, E=mc² because E=mc². Einstein didn't decide that, he derived it, and it's the same whether you're in England, Wales, New England or New South Wales. That's not what happens with grammar. "The rule" in grammar is made up, and it may be different depending on where you live and what standard you use.

This is why we've been going 'round and 'round about this. There is no right answer, just different standards.

[Skelepunk]

Me is the object of a preposition. Or to put it simply, the subject of a verb. I would be the person performing the verb.
"I went to the store."
"That person stabbed John and me."
Won't lie, I like grammar, and this is more interesting than my English essay.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

OMG, we're still arguing about Faye's Grammar!?!?!?!

There are three 'rules' she's breaking in that sentence, I'll list them:

1: Always list "I" or "me" last in a pair or list. "Sven and me" rather than "Me and Sven"

2: Choose "I" or "Me" in a list or pair as if it were not in a list or pair. "I was a speedboat" rather than "Me was a speedboat;" therefore "Sven and I was a speedboat" rather than "Sven and me was a speedboat"

3: Conjugate the verb acting on a list or pair as if it were plural, i. e. substitute the collective pronoun and then conjugate. "We were a speedboat" rather than "We was a speedboat;" therefore "Sven and I were a speedboat" rather than "Sven and I was a speedboat"

**BUT**

You'll notice that above I put " 'rules' " in scare quotes. The reason I did this, and what prescriptivist teachers forget, is that they are not rules, but merely recommendations.

Grammar is not physics, nor is it mathematics.

There is no such thing as "correct" grammar.

There is standard grammar, formal grammar, or recommended grammar, but it is important to remember that these standards are entirely arbitrary.

The only thing that makes one form more correct than another is that someone somewhere wrote it down in a book that that was "the rule."

In Physics, E=mc² because E=mc². Einstein didn't decide that, he derived it, and it's the same whether you're in England, Wales, New England or New South Wales. That's not what happens with grammar. "The rule" in grammar is made up, and it may be different depending on where you live and what standard you use.

This is why we've been going 'round and 'round about this. There is no right answer, just different standards.

I'll amend this: linguistically, there is, indeed, no right answer except within the confines of your dialect. In Standard American English's rules, Faye is wrong. Faye, however, does not necessarily use Standard American English. Likely, she uses a variant of Southern American English, where the rules are completely different and her wording is totally correct.

[leahneedsanap]

Wasting my first post on grammar??? For shame.

But, in the sentence, Faye was using "Me and Sven" to refer to the relationship itself, as a singular thing, (Faye and Sven: THE EVENT) not to the two people in it.  If she had said Faven was like a speedboat, the verb would have been properly conjugated, and she is using "me and Sven" much in the same way.  Of course, she turns around and does the opposite in the next sentence.  What can I say, they don't teach us real English in the South.

And now, I will jump into the "grammar is rules, not laws" boat and sail into Niagara Falls.

Oh, and also, this whole strip was kind of adorable.  The best way to defeat an awkward situation is still to stare it in the face and savor it until it becomes totally hilarious.

[Shadic]

How about if one's grammar is able to be heavily debated, it really doesn't matter if it's correct or not. 

[akronnick]

Only if you want some poor prescriptivist bastard's head to explode...

 

[jwhouk]

Going from slashfic to "who's a biatch" to pop psych to MORE slashfic to arguing over grammar...

I feel like I need someone to say, "Please keep your hands, arms and legs inside the ride at all times" over the loudspeaker.

[Wiregeek]

if its any consolation, my biggest problem with the vast majority of slashfic _is_ the horrible grammar.

[Kugai]

But would the wreck of the Faye Whittaker get a song written about it?

[zadojla]

Likely, she uses a variant of Southern American English, where the rules are completely different and her wording is totally correct.

I just spoke to my daughter the linguist about this, and here is the deal according to her:
A compound subject ("Sven and me") would take a plural verb ("were"), but in some dialects (American Southern!) there is something called "was-leveling".  You've all heard it, it's when all tenses of a verb become the same as the third-person singular.  "Officer, we was just headin' down to the general store."
I am now done boring you all with grammar.  Seriously, two pages worth?  What next?  Can we, shall we, might we, talk about modal auxiliaries?  They use double modals in Kentucky.  "You might should go to the doctor."

[musicalsoul]

Likely, she uses a variant of Southern American English, where the rules are completely different and her wording is totally correct.

I just spoke to my daughter the linguist about this, and here is the deal according to her:
A compound subject ("Sven and me") would take a plural verb ("were"), but in some dialects (American Southern!) there is something called "was-leveling".  You've all heard it, it's when all tenses of a verb become the same as the third-person singular.  "Officer, we was just headin' down to the general store."
I am now done boring you all with grammar.  Seriously, two pages worth?  What next?  Can we, shall we, might we, talk about modal auxiliaries?  They use double modals in Kentucky.  "You might should go to the doctor."

I know that using grammar that way is common here in the south, but it would be a cold day in hell before you ever heard me say "We was fixin' to do ::insert arbitrary stereotypical southern action here::" Now I do use the word fixin' in that manner, but that's about as southern as I get with my grammar.... most of the time.

[Boomslang]

But would the wreck of the Faye Whittaker get a song written about it?

10 minutes of postmodern, retro thrashmetal, remixed with one of the creepy child voices from a number station.

That or a Sven-esque cowboy ballad. But I like to think the former.

[Kugai]

[tHEfOOL]

oh god, i just read through this entire thread, and it was interesting untill faye's grammar got brought up. IT'S JUST A DAMN COMIC THERE IS NO NEED FOR 20+ POSTS ARGUING OVER 1 SENTENCE A MADE UP CHARACTER SAID. that said i'm eagerly awaiting tonights comic

[Shadic]

So. Faye can make the room darken. Cool talent.

WITH RAGE.

[MightionNY]

Nice that Faye could make the room darken, but the light from her eyes wasn't all that bright.  Maybe Cosette could give her Death Stare lessons.   But, there's potential there.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

Likely, she uses a variant of Southern American English, where the rules are completely different and her wording is totally correct.

I just spoke to my daughter the linguist about this, and here is the deal according to her:
A compound subject ("Sven and me") would take a plural verb ("were"), but in some dialects (American Southern!) there is something called "was-leveling".  You've all heard it, it's when all tenses of a verb become the same as the third-person singular.  "Officer, we was just headin' down to the general store."
I am now done boring you all with grammar.  Seriously, two pages worth?  What next?  Can we, shall we, might we, talk about modal auxiliaries?  They use double modals in Kentucky.  "You might should go to the doctor."

As the holder of a linguistics degree m'self (only bachelor's though) I am completely totally all about modal auxiliaries, hell yyyyyeeeeesssss

EDIT: HEARTILY AGREEING WITH SHARP'S ASSESSMENT ABOVE

Much bro grabs are returned sir and also fuck yeah Professor Brothers

If I was not on my iPhone like a tool I would post glorious Washington, destroyer of enemies

[tHEfOOL]

while god cannot stand the north because of the cold, evidently satan loves it

[jwhouk]

Nice that Faye could make the room darken, but the light from her eyes wasn't all that bright.  Maybe Cosette could give her Death Stare lessons.   But, there's potential there.

FTFY.

[Sharp]

Likely, she uses a variant of Southern American English, where the rules are completely different and her wording is totally correct.

I just spoke to my daughter the linguist about this, and here is the deal according to her:
A compound subject ("Sven and me") would take a plural verb ("were"), but in some dialects (American Southern!) there is something called "was-leveling".  You've all heard it, it's when all tenses of a verb become the same as the third-person singular.  "Officer, we was just headin' down to the general store."
I am now done boring you all with grammar.  Seriously, two pages worth?  What next?  Can we, shall we, might we, talk about modal auxiliaries?  They use double modals in Kentucky.  "You might should go to the doctor."

As the holder of a linguistics degree m'self (only bachelor's though) I am completely totally all about modal auxiliaries, hell yyyyyeeeeesssss

EDIT: HEARTILY AGREEING WITH SHARP'S ASSESSMENT ABOVE

Much bro grabs are returned sir and also fuck yeah Professor Brothers

If I was not on my iPhone like a tool I would post glorious Washington, destroyer of enemies

I dunno if the forum allows embedding video, so this is the best I can provide ATM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbRom1Rz8OA

"He's coming, he's coming, he's coming..."

[bicostp]

Dora can't run from her issues anymore, but she's going to give in kicking and screaming.

The next couple weeks will be good.

[Dr. ROFLPWN]

DORA, IF YOU GOT BEEF THAN BRING THA RUCKUS
FAYE WHITAKER AIN'T NOTHIN' TA FUCK WITH

[jwhouk]

Faye must not have been talking to Dr. Corrine much as of late, or she'd know to say, "I prefer to think of this more as an intervention by any means necessary."

And, on a different note, I'd love to see Luna make a reappearance in the comic.

[akronnick]

oh god, i just read through this entire thread, and it was interesting untill faye's grammar got brought up. IT'S JUST A DAMN COMIC THERE IS NO NEED FOR 20+ POSTS ARGUING OVER 1 SENTENCE A MADE UP CHARACTER SAID. that said i'm eagerly awaiting tonights comic

You're new here, aren't you...

Anyhooo...

Faye is absolutely right here.

Dora is trying to stall hoping that she'll be able to find some excuse not to do it until tomorrow, and then there will be another excuse, and so on, etc.

I know this because this is my favorite way of (not) dealing with stuff I don't want to deal with.

Do it now or don't do it.

[Kugai]

"Dora Bianchi!!  Do not mistake me for some cheap conjuror of tricks!  I'm trying not to hurt you, I'm trying to get you help."

[jwhouk]

"Dora Bianchi!!  Do not mistake me for some cheap conjuror of tricks!  I'm trying not to hurt you, I'm trying to get you help."

I'm gonna kick myself for not recognizing where that's from...

[iduguphergrave]

Please, let me kick you for you! 

*applauds Kugai* Very nice, sir.

[TRVA123]

GAH, Dora!

If I were in Faye's position Dora would have been hit with a rolled up newspaper.

I generally like Dora, but she likes to call other people on their shit all the time. TIME FOR PAYBACK!

"Dora Bianchi!!  Do not mistake me for some cheap conjuror of tricks!  I'm trying not to hurt you, I'm trying to get you help."

I'm gonna kick myself for not recognizing where that's from...

LOTR: the fellowship of the ring

[GeoffTheLlama]

Thank you, Dora.  Thank you for calling.  I'm pretty sure it's in everyone's best interest that I'M A FIRIN' MAH LAZERRR

...I can't be the only one who thinks that whenever Faye's eyes go red.

...am I?

[raoullefere]

The only problem with this approach is if Dora arrives at therapist's office, then starts in with "I don't know why I'm here really…I don't need help…"

Reading over that, though, I gotta admit that anyone who's any good at all will very likely get his/her net out at that point. Nor will the purple hair help anything, since it doesn't exactly scream "Look! Good decision maker here! Plus, I look in the mirror every damn morning and assure myself that nothing's wrong, even though I clearly have purple hair."

Hell, Dora may get shipped straight to a, ah, holding facility.

[TRVA123]

The only problem with this approach is if Dora arrives at therapist's office, then starts in with "I don't know why I'm here really…I don't need help…"

Reading over that, though, I gotta admit that anyone who's any good at all will very likely get his/her net out at that point. Nor will the purple hair help anything, since it doesn't exactly scream "Look! Good decision maker here! Plus, I look in the mirror every damn morning and assure myself that nothing's wrong, even though I clearly have purple hair."

Hell, Dora may get shipped straight to a, ah, holding facility.

Somehow I doubt that the therapists around Smif are going to see purple hair as an indicator of Dora's insanity. Maybe in a more conservative area...

It would be funny if the therapist began blaming all of Dora's problems on her hair color..
"Insecure? well that's a common trait among those with purple hair, dear."

[Carl-E]

Thank you, Dora.  Thank you for calling.  I'm pretty sure it's in everyone's best interest that I'M A FIRIN' MAH LAZERRR

...I can't be the only one who thinks that whenever Faye's eyes go red.

...am I?

Not any more, no.   

Thanks so much! 

[akronnick]

It would be funny if the therapist began blaming all of Dora's problems on her hair color..
"Insecure? well that's a common trait among those with purple hair, dear."

Now who the hell would make such a...

Oh, wait...

Nevermind.

[Somniloquence]

Faye should have said "Sven and I were a speedboat that caught fire and exploded." That's the correct grammar, right?

I was trying not to point out her grammatical error earlier but it's been driving me crazy. English major and all that. Sorry!

I feel slightly better than I'm not the only one who noticed that.

Anyway, I'm rather excited to possibly see a new character in the future—Dora's therapist.

[jwhouk]

I'm betting on a male who was trained at the Albert Ellis Institute and has five papers on Overcoming Self-Esteem.