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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #50 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:33 »

Yeah, c'mon, let's brawl.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #51 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:34 »

Who knew Deerhoof was such serious fucking business?
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #52 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:41 »

They have an incredible drummer, really inventive guitar parts and genuinely brilliant songs which toe the line perfectly between great avant garde bands and sublime pop music. Spend some serious time with any of their records since Reveille and you will gradually understand, if capable.

Who knew Deerhoof was such serious fucking business?

Incidentally, that's kind of the point right? We have to have threads and thread tangents about how people don't like them for no valid reason. It's fine to not like a band and it's fine to make criticism but their critics are by and large capable of neither. At the point where you have to make up reasons you don't like a band, you're probably just making excuses for not caring enough to put some effort into your listening. Either ignore their existence or at the very least, come up with a criticism which makes any kind of sense when levelled at the music as it exists on the records, not a construct you have assembled based on a couple of listens to one song.

It's okay to not like a band but being insulting or making threads specifically to display ignorance is a bizarre way of operating. Start a thread about music you do like, especially rather than about a band which is so incredibly easy to ignore.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #53 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:42 »

Fuck it guys let's listen to Swans
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #54 on: 12 Apr 2011, 15:50 »

What Deerhoof record should I listen to so I can decide whether or not I hate this band
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #55 on: 12 Apr 2011, 16:02 »

Well, I just heard one measly song and it annoyed the shit out of me. Did I hit a nerve here?!
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that said; The "Choo choo choo chooooo beep beep" chorus was annoying as fuck, and I have a neurotic tendency to become REALLY annoyed at people with heavy accents.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #56 on: 12 Apr 2011, 16:12 »

I am fairly indifferent to Deerhoof. I've got no problem with the singing. If I was to pick out one thing that I didn't particularly like about them it would be the songwriting. The thing I never get is why everyone goes so crazy over the drumming. It doesn't sound particularly superlative to me. Like, obviously not bad, but not recognisably worthy of singling out for praise. I don't play the drums; is this just some technical drummer thing I can't pick up on, or is it just a thing you say as a special password. Like I can imagine that there is some book you can buy that tells you what you're supposed to think about a wide range of topics in order to appear to be cool and under Deerhoof it says 'Great drumming'.


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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #57 on: 12 Apr 2011, 16:15 »

it's not so much about how technical it is, it's just.... his "style"

he has awesome fucking style.

it's too abstract to try to define, so I'm not gonna bother, but I play drums and i think he has super sweet style. not that i think you have to be a drummer to hear it or anything (you don't), i"m just mentioning it because you mentioned that you weren't a drummer.

maybe it is actually important, i dunno.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #58 on: 12 Apr 2011, 16:47 »

what the fuck is wrong with converge
Nothing? Pretty much my favourite band.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #59 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:07 »

What Deerhoof record should I listen to so I can decide whether or not I hate this band
Get Deerhoof Vs Evil. It feels more accessible than anything else I've heard by them(which is only one album but whatever)
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #60 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:08 »

i just made a mostly mathrockish playlist that's 6.2 hours long called "algebro"

i put Apple O on it, because....well because i fucking wanted to, that's why  :-D


also i couldn't resist putting Polymaths on there, even though it's not the same genre at all
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #61 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:15 »

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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #62 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:23 »

The thing I especially love about Saunier is his ability to introduce flourishes of unorthodox playing into songs which are in other respects regular pop songs. He keeps the backbeat in a solid manner but also plays in a style which you'd normally associate with free jazz or avant garde music. This is largely because his background is indeed experimental music where drummers tend to improvise by playing in a way which is deliberately frenetic or out of time with the rhythm of the music as a method of pushing the piece in different directions via abrupt changes of pace or simply producing a sudden cacophony. Sometimes drummers who do this are overly mercurial but Saunier actually manages to keep his tendency for improvisation in check and services the song in the manner of your average rock drummer. Thus, he will keep a steady beat for the other musicians because it's traditionally the task of the drummer to determine tempo for other musicians but he will also throw in lots of extremely frantic, abrasive fills which are atypical of traditional rock songs. He also comes up with a lot of the time signature changes which are a major characteristic of the mid-period of the band.

There are some other avant garde drummers who play in pop bands too but for the most part these players either completely neuter their experimental tendencies in the manner of say, Glenn Kotche from Wilco, or instead try to play using as much of the drum kit as possible, in the style of most progressive rock drummers. Both of these have their place but Saunier's playing is distinct in the sense that he more or less combines his tasks without compromising his stylistic approach of aggressively using his pared-down drum kit and focusing on the economy of snare, bass and cymbal. Even now that he uses a full kit, he largely focuses on just those three parts of the drums instead of accumulating more and more percussion instruments as some players are wont to do. Most drummers utilise a middle sound between the deep bass drum and crack of the snare, which is where drums like the high, mid and low toms are normally used. By deliberately forcing himself to use the two extremes it creates a unique stylistic sound which is characteristic of Deerhoof themselves - the collision of the soft with the abrasive.

Aside from that, more simply he hits the drums very hard and really precisely with remarkable stamina. He's not the only drummer who can do it but he's certainly above and beyond the physical ability of many drummers. His distinct drum fills are characterised by the swiftness of his hands, which usually means a trade off in terms of force but for Saunier this just doesn't seem to occur. He can play beats which sound borderline processed very fast, which allows them to seem almost incidental within the context of the song. Also, he's an energetic chap by nature, which makes for very visceral live shows. It's easy to forget the impact of somebody playing the drums really loud in front of you and you have to remember, Deerhoof played a lot of shows which were in small rooms and he'd just be sat right amongst the audience on an upturned milk-crate. Having the juxtaposition of a small Japanese singer who is very soft spoken and sings very sweet songs and a lanky, hard-hitting monster behind the drums is again highly representative of the dynamic extremes of the band.

That's basically the appeal of Deerhoof too. They are a perfect combination of well crafted pop music and improvisational art rock. I like music at both ends of that spectrum but very few bands manage to bridge the gap so impressively. I can't immediately think of another band who does it as well. On the one hand they are very evidently in thrall of their peers within the San Francisco avant garde community (their music is especially indebted to legendary West Coast acts like Caroliner and Sun City Girls) but also to the simple pop music of The Beatles and The Who. It probably doesn't matter to most of you but another thing is the fact that they are ridiculously good natured and humble people who have behaved in a manner which is unusually dignified for the average rock band. I like the way they operate in that they are always, always working on music or touring. They take getting into the van and getting their music out there to a seriously dedicated extreme and have done for well over a decade now. Plus when they're not touring, they are writing and recording new music in an improbably prolific fashion and somehow there is always evolution and a high level of quality. I have lots of friends within the independent music community who admit to being repeatedly stumped by Deerhoof's work-rate, insatiable curiosity, downright inventiveness in the studio and not to mention the fact that they are always happy to be doing Deerhoof related stuff.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #63 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:24 »

What Deerhoof record should I listen to so I can decide whether or not I hate this band

The Runners Four is my favourite. All of their stuff can be a hard listen at times so you have to show some patience.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #64 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:35 »

Tommy, I would just like to say thank you for articulating all the reasons I like Deerhoof that I could never explain to myself.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #65 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:40 »

One of my favorite parts about Deerhoof is yeah, the part where they all just seem really nice. I've read some interviews in which they've stated that they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to mixing and shit. I like that! I have no idea what I'm doing, either. They are just very inspiring. Like when they posted a picture on Facebook of them mixing the album in the car. I was like "I SHOULD DO THAT!" and then I did. And I was like :D the whole time

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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #66 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:43 »

INPUT FROM A NEWB, WHAT

Milk Man and Friend Opportunity are what got me into Deerhoof.  They've got some weird experimental stuff on them, but there's also a fair amount of more accessible pop-ish elements, particularly on Friend Opportunity.

I really like Satomi's vocals, personally.  There's a nice contrast between her high, childlike vocals and the crunchiness of the rest of the instrumentation.  But I can understand how they would be off-putting to some.

Before joining/lurking on this forum, I never knew that Deerhoof was so divisive.  Or a Big Deal at all.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #67 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:46 »

I know right! Who knew Deerhoof were so divisive! Good Mosesing Tommy.

Also guys, I like Ponytail. What's up with that? Their new album is a lot of fun. What's up with that?
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« Reply #68 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:48 »

INPUT FROM A NEWB, WHAT

Milk Man and Friend Opportunity are what got me into Deerhoof.  They've got some weird experimental stuff on them, but there's also a fair amount of more accessible pop-ish elements, particularly on Friend Opportunity.

I really like Satomi's vocals, personally.  There's a nice contrast between her high, childlike vocals and the crunchiness of the rest of the instrumentation.  But I can understand how they would be off-putting to some.

Before joining/lurking on this forum, I never knew that Deerhoof was so divisive.  Or a Big Deal at all.

It's really not. The anti-deerhoof society consists of shane and maybe Calenlass.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #69 on: 12 Apr 2011, 17:52 »

And me!
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« Reply #70 on: 12 Apr 2011, 18:09 »

I've read some interviews in which they've stated that they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to mixing and shit.

I think this is another important aspect of their sound but I didn't want to get too deep into it in this thread. Just to touch upon this, Deerhoof is a band who have turned recording on a shoe-string with the bare minimum in terms of instrumentation and gear into an art form. There's a legendary Tape-Op (a very dorky magazine entirely about recording music) article from a few years ago which is still unanimously heralded as one of the most enlightening interviews relating to modern DIY recording. Greg Saunier discussed the incredibly brave and individual modus operandi they used to record their mid-period records and immediately afterwards, just about every professional recording engineer and tape geek had something to say about it. Suffice to say they use a lot of gear which is absolutely antiquated or considered abhorrent to most recordists and truly ridiculous techniques which they learned entirely by doing because they literally couldn't afford to have anybody else record their band. However, the remarkable thing isn't that they turned botching into an art form which literally had the entire recording community in discussion but the fact that their records sound really great by anyone's standards.

I'm going to try to dig out the article so I can scan it in. It's a really great read.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #71 on: 12 Apr 2011, 18:43 »

I want to see them play a whole set.

I saw their last two songs at sasquatch the other year and they were so freaking awesome. I missed them on accident 'cause i read the schedule wrong and ended up watching some shitty band for most of their set before i realized i could hear "dummy discards a heart" coming from somewhere obviously magical. so i ran there as fast i could and saw about 2 songs.

and what a two songs they were! hoo boy



also: this has almost nothing to do with anything but have you guys ever listened to Shapes Like Dinosaurs? Because you should really really listen to Shapes Like Dinosaurs. I wrote about fifteen draft sentences here to try to explain why they are so great, but I gave up because i couldn't do it. At least not effectively.

unfortunately, youtube doesn't have very much by them, but you can listen to one of my favorite songs by them "Dinostomping Parts I-IV" on Last.fm (seriously listen to that song all the way through; it's wonderful)

okay, and watch this and this
and maybe this if you're up for it: here's a live song the first half of which I don't think is recorded (besides by that video, i mean)


anyway, they're like one of my favorite fucking bands and I want to help other people experience even a fraction of the joy that this band has brought me, if they're able to, because it's excellent
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #72 on: 12 Apr 2011, 18:46 »

Halfway through The Runners Four and the girl's voice sounds totally cool to me
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« Reply #73 on: 12 Apr 2011, 19:55 »

I know this is way up the thread, but I'm kind of sad to see Women getting so little love. Public Strain was way up there for me as far as albums released in 2010 go. I was really upset when I heard they might be breaking up. Did that question ever get resolved? Are they together, or what?

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« Reply #74 on: 12 Apr 2011, 20:23 »

Can I join in on the Wavves hate? That twat doesn't deserve Jay Reatard's old band

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« Reply #75 on: 12 Apr 2011, 20:43 »

Well over half of King of the Beach was fucking good.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #76 on: 12 Apr 2011, 20:49 »

Deerhoof was my first live show, on my 16th birthday, and it was really disappointing. It was the first day of the Offend Maggie tour. The two opening acts were just bad and went on way too long. I don't know if this was just the kind of crowd that stood around with their arms crossed all the time or if the openers just pissed them off, but the audience just was not giving the band any energy to feed off of. Everyone just seemed pissed at each other. And one dick in front of me kept calling them "Deerfoot."

I still love their records(although I felt Deerhoof Vs. Evil was a bit lacklustre), and i would love to see them with a more responsive audience.

E: I really enjoyed Women's first record, but Public Strain just left me feeling cold.

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« Reply #77 on: 12 Apr 2011, 20:56 »

Jay Reatard's crew quit before joining the Wavves dude, so there's no great injustice there.

I'm still waiting for that Juavves full-length over here.
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« Reply #78 on: 12 Apr 2011, 21:29 »

Well over half of King of the Beach was fucking good.

Actually it wasn't but thanks for playing.


Tommy, I remember stumbling over that Tape-op article when I was doing a studio internship a few years ago! It was a big part of why I was very strongly in the anti-Deerhoof camp for a while there. I sincerely hope you do manage to find + scan it, I'd like to read it again to see if it evokes the same reaction in me as it did the first time.
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« Reply #79 on: 12 Apr 2011, 21:32 »

In addition, fuck this dumb cunt

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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #80 on: 12 Apr 2011, 21:34 »

E: I really enjoyed Women's first record, but Public Strain just left me feeling cold.

It does have a photograph of a snowstorm on the front.
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« Reply #81 on: 12 Apr 2011, 21:59 »

It's okay to not like a band but being insulting or making threads specifically to display ignorance is a bizarre way of operating. Start a thread about music you do like, especially rather than about a band which is so incredibly easy to ignore.

But hate is so much more fun!  :mrgreen:
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« Reply #82 on: 13 Apr 2011, 02:17 »

I know this is way up the thread, but I'm kind of sad to see Women getting so little love. Public Strain was way up there for me as far as albums released in 2010 go. I was really upset when I heard they might be breaking up. Did that question ever get resolved? Are they together, or what?

Public Strain felt like a real improvement, thank god they didn't break up last year.

In addition, fuck this dumb cunt

I wouldn't. Besides, getting deep into rape territory there.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #83 on: 13 Apr 2011, 04:46 »

It's okay to not like a band but being insulting or making threads specifically to display ignorance is a bizarre way of operating. Start a thread about music you do like, especially rather than about a band which is so incredibly easy to ignore.

But hate is so much more fun!  :mrgreen:

To be honest, it was more to express puzzlement at what made them good. That, and to hope people would bring up something with them that was actually more to my liking. Lots of bands have that one song I don't like.
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« Reply #84 on: 13 Apr 2011, 06:25 »

Deerhoof probably have about ten songs I don't like but that's around 2% of their recorded output.
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« Reply #85 on: 13 Apr 2011, 06:42 »

Well, the song in question was "+81". Which songs are the opposite of that?
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« Reply #86 on: 13 Apr 2011, 06:59 »

Actually, I'd be interested in this answer. That was the first song of theirs I heard.
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« Reply #87 on: 13 Apr 2011, 09:36 »

My Deerhoof turning point was "Scream Team" on The Runner's Four. I was halfway through the album and was in the "yeah they rock, but..." category, until I finally understood the role of Satomi's vocals in the band. I then literally stopped the album and started over and it quickly became a favorite of mine.

How are the last two albums? I was pretty much around for Runner's Four and Friend Opportunity but haven't really given a fair shake to Offend Maggie or Deerhoof vs. Evil.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #88 on: 13 Apr 2011, 10:28 »

I like Offend Maggie a lot. It's good. I actually haven't heard VS. Evil. I am silly that way.

This is probably my favorite from Offend Maggie.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #89 on: 13 Apr 2011, 10:40 »

I am not so familiar with Offend Maggie but I spun Vs Evil a lot. Or... okay iTunes says "twice" but I know I liked it a lot!

Uhhhh I'll come back when I listen to both of them more
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« Reply #90 on: 13 Apr 2011, 13:16 »

Well, the song in question was "+81". Which songs are the opposite of that?

That's their most pop sounding record to date, albeit also quite experimental.

Deerhoof write and demo their songs whilst touring the previous record. Before Friend Opportunity they were touring with Radiohead and The Flaming Lips among others so they decided to try to record an album which was very bright in the mix and contained much less in terms of abrasive textures. Personally I think with maybe a couple of exceptions it was a roaring success but it's an uncharacteristic record by their usual standards nonetheless. Milk Man, Apple O and The Runners Four are generally considered the meat of their discography when they were riding high between the two extremes of their sound. I regard these three as perfect and the albums on either side are merely very good.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #91 on: 13 Apr 2011, 15:45 »

vs. evil is phenomenal! one of my favourite records of the year so far.
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #92 on: 13 Apr 2011, 16:23 »

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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #93 on: 13 Apr 2011, 16:33 »

So I listened to Runners Four and it's pretty sweet! The guitar in "Twin Killers" kicks so much ass  and "Running Thoughts" is a perfect pop song as there ever was
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #94 on: 13 Apr 2011, 16:55 »

Well, the song in question was "+81". Which songs are the opposite of that?

Just listen to Milk Man. Start with "Milk Man"

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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #95 on: 13 Apr 2011, 17:53 »

I like Offend Maggie a lot. It's good. I actually haven't heard VS. Evil. I am silly that way.

This is probably my favorite from Offend Maggie.

I didn't completely hate that song!
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Re: Okay, so I just heard a Deerhoof song on the Radio..
« Reply #96 on: 13 Apr 2011, 17:59 »

this is probably my favorite deerhoof song, if i really had to pick a favorite, which i'd prefer not to
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« Reply #97 on: 13 Apr 2011, 18:59 »

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« Reply #98 on: 13 Apr 2011, 20:37 »

that's actually my second favorite one

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« Reply #99 on: 13 Apr 2011, 21:34 »

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