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Author Topic: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)  (Read 58457 times)

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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #200 on: 25 May 2011, 20:38 »

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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #201 on: 25 May 2011, 21:16 »

Ya know, Tai and Dora hooking up and Marten either giving the seal of approval/not really caring would piss me off for a couple of reasons.

1) I really really don't like the Tai/Dora pairing.
2) Dora has spent the last few comics she's been in being pretty chill, relaxed, and reserved. That's the Dora I really liked... her going back into a hook-up/relationship so soon would mean we're back to Dora's Relationship Issues, even if it's only her getting over them. But come on... dating Marten's boss? Even for someone who is getting to a good place with therapy, this would be a recipe for falling right back off the wagon.
3) I'm glad to see Marten resilient and all, and I certainly am glad to see no whining or drunk JerkAss.... but sometimes it seems like he got over the stage moved on pretty damn fast. Granted, hard to tell strip time, but I'm gathering maybe a few weeks? A month? And even moving on to the point where he can check out other girls and be friendly with Dora, for him to just say "cool whatever" to his boss hooking up with his ex suggest either a huge passage of time, or that he didn't really care in the first place. If you really cared and valued your relationship with an ex, shouldn't some residue of those feelings still be there in the time frame we're talking about?

I say this preparing to get flamed, but it always bothered me that Dora seemed to bare the brunt of the blame for the break-up with her issues, and yet... did Marten really demonstrate very strongly that he cared about her? Sure he liked her, but his love seemed to be of the passive, "why not?" variety. He didn't appear anywhere near as into her as he was with Faye, and it seems that post break-up, he got drunk one night, was kind of a jerk for one day, and then boom, over it.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #202 on: 25 May 2011, 21:43 »

Tai is being perfectly obvious about her interest in Dora - to anyone paying attention (which seems to mean Faye and no one else). I'd say she is looking for approval from Marten, but doesn't realize that as a guy Marten is immune to nuance and needs to be asked simply and directly without any circumspection.

A two by four might help. 

Marten is a reasonably smart and sensitive guy, but guys get confused by circumlocutions and indirect questions - they know something else is going on, but have been burned enough times not to even try to guess, so they just go with the most literal interpretation.

Which brings up an interesting observation - Padma seems to be more like a guy in her obliviousness.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #203 on: 25 May 2011, 21:57 »

It's just fun and games until the homicide detectives show up.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #204 on: 25 May 2011, 22:05 »

My disgust(and yes I chose that word very carefully) with Tai's behavior simply stems from 2 points.

1. As Marten's boss and to a lesser extent his friend, I find it borderline tyrannical that she would go after his ex (smoking hot though she may be). It's unprofessional and uncool.

2. If she does indeed claim victory over Las Loins De la Dora,  I'm willing to bet money on the 95% probability that Marten let his bottom lip quiver and walk away with his tail tucked instead of confronting someone on their crappy behavior.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #205 on: 25 May 2011, 22:22 »

I doubt Tai+Dora will happen though.

From a few weeks before the breakup:



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Well, Liquor and some recreational drugs can fix that......
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #206 on: 25 May 2011, 22:33 »

What if this is Tai exposing Marten to all those available Smifettes, like I hoped would happen by now?  The Dora angle just makes it more dramalicious; what if Dora sees him surrounded by eager beavers?  Maybe Tai thinks that would get her off the guilt hook... This party could have 13 kinds of drama, boosted and complicated by recreational substances.   :psyduck:


Tai ... is looking for approval from Marten, but doesn't realize that as a guy Marten is immune to nuance and needs to be asked simply and directly without any circumspection.

A two by four might help.  

Marten is a reasonably smart and sensitive guy, but guys get confused by circumlocutions and indirect questions - they know something else is going on, but have been burned enough times not to even try to guess, so they just go with the most literal interpretation.

This is retreading old forum ground, but many of us guys readily verify this;  it's SO nice  your  brains are at home processing devious, indirect, vague hints and concealed intents, but the genders really do think, feel, and talk differently.*  Just say what you mean, please??

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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #207 on: 25 May 2011, 22:51 »

2. If she does indeed claim victory over Las Loins De la Dora,,,

An excellent objectification!

My disgust (and yes I chose that word very carefully) with Tai's behavior...

Again, I imagine a lot of the animosity against Tai in this instance stems from unhealthy controlling and possessive expectations in relationships. All the more evident here, since Marten and Dora are no longer in a relationship. People should move on, and stop theorizing about whether or not Marten's manhood will "quiver" at the thought of his ex ending up with a friend.

Especially since that kind of erotic fanfiction is not tolerated on these boards!

First of all: Thank you :evil:

Second of all: I use the word "disgust" because I'm not angry, sad, disappointed, or heartbroken. I'm just kind of queasy about this whole thing. If Tai and Marten were just friends, it probably wouldn't bother me nearly as much. But the fact that they actually work together closely in a "professional" (and I use the term loosely) setting makes it kind of a double no-no in my book.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #208 on: 25 May 2011, 22:55 »

Like when Bullock dated Haley on American dad.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #209 on: 25 May 2011, 23:12 »

and it seems that post break-up, he got drunk one night, was kind of a jerk for one day, and then boom, over it.

There was a time-skip, don't forget.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #210 on: 25 May 2011, 23:58 »

Dora dun goof'd!  :psyduck:
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #211 on: 26 May 2011, 00:05 »

How does someone who apparently can't function before nine am successfully run a coffee shop?
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #212 on: 26 May 2011, 00:05 »

Good going, Dora, good going
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #213 on: 26 May 2011, 00:12 »

Ummmmmm

Megaoops Dora.  Not the best way to start a business agreement.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #214 on: 26 May 2011, 00:16 »

Dora dun goof'd!  :psyduck:
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How does someone who apparently can't function before nine am successfully run a coffee shop?
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #215 on: 26 May 2011, 00:20 »

How does someone who apparently can't function before nine am successfully run a coffee shop?
Probably by drinking coffee.  :lol:

And given that Dora's likely to be handing a good amount of CoD's coffee beans over to make things right, I daresay Dora's going to be feeling sleepy all morning.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #216 on: 26 May 2011, 00:23 »

Megaoops Dora.  Not the best way to start a business agreement.
Yes. Dora seems out-of-character screwing up like that. If she was that disorganised, she wouldn't be able to run a business at all.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #217 on: 26 May 2011, 00:29 »

Agreed. I wonder if there's something on her mind that we don't know about.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #218 on: 26 May 2011, 00:31 »

Her hair was apparently just as concerned as she, it jumped too. :P
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« Reply #219 on: 26 May 2011, 01:23 »

Agreed. I wonder if there's something on her mind that we don't know about.

The stuff we already know about might be enough to keep her at least a bit distracted.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #220 on: 26 May 2011, 02:00 »

Apparently Dora forgot her morning shot of expresso. It would have jump-started her brain and hopefully avoided this embarrassing gaffe.

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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #221 on: 26 May 2011, 02:35 »

Maybe, maybe not.  I find caffeine to be a double edged sword - it wakes me up fine, but a little too much and I have a hard time concentrating - I get a bit ADD, jumping from one thing to another, and forgetting several along the way. 

Then I get crabby about it. 

...aaaand that's why I drink black tea, not coffee. 
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #222 on: 26 May 2011, 02:48 »

Since roasting beans is a time consuming process, she probably meant to have done it the night before, and now that they are to be delivered, she's gonna be short.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #223 on: 26 May 2011, 04:58 »

I think Jim's delivery charge just went up 10%
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #224 on: 26 May 2011, 05:01 »

It's entirely possible that she's just that scatterbrained before her morning espresso and has the beans ready but just totally blanked that she was supposed to fork 'em over now.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #225 on: 26 May 2011, 05:05 »

From someone who has had to cover his own and other's asses from time-to-time.

1) Give Jim 80-90% of your own current inventory
2) Get roasting NOW to rebuild inventory
3) Deliver the balance of Jim's order around lunchtime.
4) Set up a reminder system that you have to produce enough to cover 2 stores from now on....

Not hard. But it took several incedents to work out the basic formula.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #226 on: 26 May 2011, 05:10 »

expresso
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« Reply #227 on: 26 May 2011, 05:11 »

It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.
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« Reply #228 on: 26 May 2011, 05:12 »

expresso
Damn it, why do people think this is a word?
Because it is halffast  :lol:
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #229 on: 26 May 2011, 05:24 »

It's entirely possible that she's just that scatterbrained before her morning espresso and has the beans ready but just totally blanked that she was supposed to fork 'em over now.

Oh, come on, now. How long have you been reading this comic?

It is obviously going to be the worst case scenario where she not only didn't roast beans for Jim, she didn't even roast beans for her own store that day.

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« Reply #230 on: 26 May 2011, 05:29 »

It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.

And given Doras track record....
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« Reply #231 on: 26 May 2011, 06:16 »

It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.

And given Doras track record....

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« Reply #232 on: 26 May 2011, 06:22 »

It's a new relationship - there are bound to be a few hiccups and bumps along the way. What's important is how you handle the revelation that you've been thoughtless of your partner's needs.

And given Doras track record....

She'll return Jim's baked goods and tell him to forget it, it's too much trouble?  :mrgreen:
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #233 on: 26 May 2011, 06:50 »

Move your... coffee beans... to the belt!
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« Reply #234 on: 26 May 2011, 07:13 »

I enjoy the use of hair as an expressive feature in the QC universe. The way Dora's hair jumps in the last panel is quite amusing to me.

I'm hoping it is just that she's not awake and has forgotten to hand the beans over, not completely forgotten to roast them. Unless she's got some reason for being so tired, it seems out of character for her to mess up like this.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #236 on: 26 May 2011, 09:38 »

That still doesn't explain why so many people use the wrong non-word! :psyduck:

Express means fast.

Espresso comes from the fact that steam (pressure) is used.

When I worked at a coffee shop, we ignored anybody that asked for a cup of expresso.  :-P
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #237 on: 26 May 2011, 09:44 »

It's because everyone knows the word "express", and coffee makes you go faster, so concentrated coffee = "expresso".
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #238 on: 26 May 2011, 09:51 »

Most dictionaries very clearly indicate that the proper word is "espresso" from the Italian, but that the use of "expresso" is "strictly incorrect, but commonly used".  Meaning that we're likely to see it become an actual recognized word in several years as the language evolves.

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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #239 on: 26 May 2011, 11:53 »

I enjoy the use of hair as an expressive feature in the QC universe. The way Dora's hair jumps in the last panel is quite amusing to me.

I enjoy that too.   :-D  And I know it's just to convey the emotional reaction, but part of me kinda wants the hair to have some level of sentience -- like "What is it girl?  Timmy's fallen down a well?  Could he maybe roast some coffee beans while he's down there?"

I'm still amused by the appearance of Pizza Girl at Pen-Pen's doorstep.  If I had any Photoshop skillz, I'd put Dragonball Z hair on them in the panel where they're yelling.  We'll probably never find out for sure, since the mystery adds to the funny, but . . . shades of Fight Club?

And about the use of the non-word "expresso" . . . when people frequently get the your/you're and there/their/they're things wrong and unironically use leetspeak, I find it hard to get too upset about misspellings.  It's not that I don't notice (and hey, I've made my share of typos), it's more that I've built up a level of brain calluses from having read so many.  The people who say "expresso" when ordering one probably get at least a bonus sneer from the baristas.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #240 on: 26 May 2011, 12:13 »

I don't think we'll see anything of the party itself, but I do expect a WICKED live-tweet session with all the characters' twitter feeds.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #241 on: 26 May 2011, 12:25 »

Most dictionaries very clearly indicate that the proper word is "espresso" from the Italian, but that the use of "expresso" is "strictly incorrect, but commonly used".  Meaning that we're likely to see it become an actual recognized word in several years as the language evolves.

My feelings on the subject (NSFW):
http://headtrip.keenspot.com/d/20060706.html

'nuf said
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #242 on: 26 May 2011, 13:31 »

I don't think we'll see anything of the party itself, but I do expect a WICKED live-tweet session with all the characters' twitter feeds.

I still want to see if all the mad-at-Faye tweets, from a couple weeks back, or something related to them, manifest in the comic. Hey, you don't suppose ... ?
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #243 on: 26 May 2011, 14:12 »

It's because everyone knows the word "express", and coffee makes you go faster, so concentrated coffee = "expresso".

OK, wait a minute...

Espress ("to press out" in Italian) is from the same root as Express ("to press out" in English).  While the secondary meaning of "quick" has associated itself to express (as in delivery), "expressed coffee" is still a valid description of espresso.  Thus, while the Italians developed the stuff (and the machines), I beleive expresso would be a valid American/Anglification of the term. 

And yay for expressive hair, through which the emotions of the wearer are squeezed...
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #244 on: 26 May 2011, 14:56 »

Yeah; "espresso" and "express" are basically the same word, it's just that it's lost its literal meaning in English.  In pretty much every Western Romance language, that's what it's called: "el café exprés," "le café express," "o café expresso," etc.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #245 on: 26 May 2011, 15:05 »

It hasn't lost that meaning when a woman expresses milk from her breast to feed her child.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #246 on: 26 May 2011, 15:55 »

Espress ("to press out" in Italian) is from the same root as Express ("to press out" in English).
I never learned that "press out" meaning of express (though I suppose expressing (conveying) an idea has the same root). This forum is ESL-educational!
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #247 on: 26 May 2011, 16:15 »

Glad to be of service! 


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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #248 on: 26 May 2011, 16:54 »

Stop making excuses for illiteracy!

If we put up with that crap we'll end up with leaders unable to refudiate the terriers that misunderestimate the need to put food on your family.
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Re: WCDT: 23-27 May 2011 (1931-1935)
« Reply #249 on: 26 May 2011, 17:09 »

I find spelling and grammar Nazism to be occasionally funny but mostly just depressing.

The 'golden standard' of spelling and word usage that's being defended is just as corrupt, misused, and incoherent as the one we use today. The only difference is that it's much older.

While I get frustrated when people are either too lazy or ignorant to use words properly, I'm not 'correct', I'm just adhering closer to the artificial standard.
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