Topic: QC: The Crowd-Sourced Guest Strip Edition (Read 49396 times)

DSL · « **Reply #100 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 01:44 »

Re: jwhouk's and Carl-E's comments:

Points taken, jw. Not sure about Pintsize's font at all, but what else could Winslow speak in but Chicago (or its near-cousin, Charcoal?). I'm going to hand-letter the humans' speech, though. I like the look of a hand-lettered speech bubble and it's served me well over the years. As for the specials: Hannelore's elbow hides part of the word "shins" just enough so you can see what it's supposed to be and probably is, but the reader's imagination is free to go elsewhere. I call it "Rorschaching" a cartoon and it used to drive the forum commenters at my old paper even more batshit than they already were -- they loved a conspiracy but resented having to come up with one on their own.

Carl-E, I will incorporate your second and third points. I think the reason your first point might not take is that it's not certain Marigold is typing her response or speaking to Hannelore. That, and font-speech (in my mind, anyway) is used mainly to differentiate AI-speech from meatspeech in QCVerse.

This is fun.

techkid · « **Reply #101 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 03:49 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 06 Nov 2012, 00:32

Hi, I know the script says final, but there are a couple of little things bugging me. May I suggest the following tweaks?

The first may not work... Marigold's forum rant should be in a box, maybe a courier type of font, indicating it's being typed, not spoken out loud? (now that I've said it, it doesn't sound like it'll work. Never mind.)

Considering the usage and context, Marigold's line won't work as a forum post, but I can see what you were getting at.

Quote from: Carl-E on 06 Nov 2012, 00:32

Faye's line in panel 3 somehow changed to "take the internet way too seriously", I think the original "Take the comic way too seriously" worked better (Seriously, that's what we're here for, right?)

Marten's line in panel 4 frame 2 just sounds a little clunky. How about "Look, Hannelore just started posting on the forum" or "Hey, is that Hannelore posting here?"

These two make more sense. Considering the flame wars of old, and the over-analysis of now... yeah, we do have a kind of strange fixation on QC. The adjustment to Faye's line works; it's short and to the point. Pintsize's font... the closest I've seen is LilyUPC, but there are differences (I was comparing from the font used in comic #1337 (for obvious reasons)).

cesium133 · « **Reply #102 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 05:08 »

Pintsize's font is Blambot Pro, I think.

Carl-E · « **Reply #103 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 06:48 »

One other thing hit me as I lay down last night, part of the "Les Ismore" school of thought...

Mari's post in pnel two - cut the billionaire philanthropist.

"NO! Tannelor is the shy, nervous daughter of the PRESIDENT, there is NOTHING to suggest she has any romantic interest in that dweeb Marven!"

Mainly for space (it would be the biggest of bubbles) but it also to drive home the similarity without using an 8-lb sledge.

I know I was pessimistic, but damn - I'm getting excited about this!

jwhouk · « **Reply #104 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 07:03 »

The gauntlet, it has been put down:

Quote from: @jwhouk (twitter)

@pengraffe Not sure if you've looked at the forums, but we've come up with a "crowdsourced" QC guest strip, if Jeph is interested?

Also, the "tag" at the bottom of the strip:

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #105 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 09:00 »

I believe Jeph once discussed what fonts he uses for dialog. If I weren't so heavily scheduled today, I'd be too lazy to look it up. This was so long ago it might be in the Ask Jeph thread.

Carl-E · « **Reply #106 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 09:42 »

There was also a point when, mainly through newsposts, he experimented with the font - I think it was after a computer change where he lost the old font. he may well have gone back to the old one, though - I don't recall.

There was all the hubbub over Momo's font change with the new chassis, there may be something in those threads about the actual font used.

Gnomes2169 · « **Reply #107 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 11:24 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 06 Nov 2012, 06:48

"NO! Tannelor is the shy, nervous daughter of the PRESIDENT, there is NOTHING to suggest she has any romantic interest in that dweeb Marven!"

Good edit, but for the sake of Grammar I would make it two sentences and add an "and."

So it would look like:

"NO! Tannelor is the shy, nervous daughter of the PRESIDENT! And there is NOTHING to suggest she has any romantic interest in that dweeb Marven!"

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #108 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 11:26 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 06 Nov 2012, 09:42

There was also a point when, mainly through newsposts, he experimented with the font

He also posted some intermediate stuff on his tumblr (or was his his livejournal?)... might be easier to find it in their archives than the main site's

Barmymoo · « **Reply #109 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 13:46 »

I'd say that for the sake of grammar, either make it two sentences OR add an and! But maybe that's British grammar.

Gnomes2169 · « **Reply #110 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 13:55 »

Quote from: Barmymoo on 06 Nov 2012, 13:46

I'd say that for the sake of grammar, either make it two sentences OR add an and! But maybe that's British grammar.

It is actually just old fashioned. English standard (as determined by someone somewhere teaching things) just allowed you to start sentences with the words "And" or "But." Apparently teachers complained about run on sentences long enough that they changed the policy.

pwhodges · « **Reply #111 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 15:45 »

Quote from: Gnomes2169 on 06 Nov 2012, 11:24

Quote from: Carl-E on 06 Nov 2012, 06:48
"NO! Tannelor is the shy, nervous daughter of the PRESIDENT, there is NOTHING to suggest she has any romantic interest in that dweeb Marven!"

Good edit, but for the sake of Grammar I would make it two sentences and add an "and."

Personally, I would leave Carl-E's sentence as it is, but use a semicolon after PRESIDENT rather than a comma. It is then correct, idiomatic, and old-fashioned all at once. And there is absolutely no reason not to start a sentence with a conjunction!

Gnomes2169 · « **Reply #112 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 16:03 »

Quote from: pwhodges on 06 Nov 2012, 15:45

Personally, I would leave Carl-E's sentence as it is, but use a semicolon after PRESIDENT rather than a comma. It is then correct, idiomatic, and old-fashioned all at once. And there is absolutely no reason not to start a sentence with a conjunction!

The irony is so think that it could be cut with a knife.

DSL · « **Reply #113 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 17:20 »

You want irony? I finished lettering that dialogue about an hour before that debate started.

Redball · « **Reply #114 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 17:48 »

More than irony. Cast irony.

Carl-E · « **Reply #115 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 18:58 »

Decorative, yet brittle? Makes good frying pan?

And DSL, do you have a timeline? A progress indicator? Will you put it on flickr when it's done?

PLEEZ?

DSL · « **Reply #116 on:** 06 Nov 2012, 21:18 »

I'll put the panels on Flickr as they're finished; the art is 99 percent done and the lettering is about 60 Percent done. Got some political stuff to grind out and then back to the labor of love ...

Pilchard123 · « **Reply #117 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 00:27 »

Just noticed that I'm credited in the banner thing - if you want to take me out, I really don't mind. Not because I want to distance myself from this, but I've only made a passing comment or two in this thread, so...

Carl-E · « **Reply #118 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 00:40 »

You're not getting out of it that easily...

Sidhekin · « **Reply #119 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 01:28 »

Quote from: Pilchard123 on 07 Nov 2012, 00:27

Just noticed that I'm credited in the banner thing - if you want to take me out, I really don't mind. Not because I want to distance myself from this, but I've only made a passing comment or two in this thread, so...

I'd say the same, except for the "or two".

... oh wait, this comment makes two ...

Redball · « **Reply #120 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 05:27 »

Quote from: Pilchard123 on 07 Nov 2012, 00:27

Just noticed that I'm credited in the banner thing - if you want to take me out, I really don't mind. Not because I want to distance myself from this, but I've only made a passing comment or two in this thread, so...

Ditto, sort of. But if I helped, I'm also sort of pleased.

jwhouk · « **Reply #121 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 06:12 »

"Support" means just that.

DSL · « **Reply #122 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 06:18 »

Two of five panels finished. Two more panels, art finished, needs lettering. Fifth panel ... got something fun planned. Won't deviate from the script, but Winslow gets to have more fun. Flickr set HERE.

Border Reiver · « **Reply #123 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 07:31 »

Looking Good DSL.

Carl-E · « **Reply #124 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 10:41 »

Oh, MAAAAAAN.... this is... SO good!

I'm stoked, I can't even say how much.....

God, I'm gonna plotz.

Gnomes2169 · « **Reply #125 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 10:57 »

Gentlemen, our child is being given life. I say this momentous occasion shall be marked by some joyful event... one in which beastly quantities of ale are consumed with great vigour.

Pilchard123 · « **Reply #126 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 11:17 »

Quaffing: it's like drinking, but you spill more.

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #127 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 11:25 »

I'll fire up the Lightening Generator and channel it through DSL so he'll work faster.

Skewbrow · « **Reply #128 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 11:36 »

Hats off to you all.

Carl-E · « **Reply #129 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 11:42 »

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 07 Nov 2012, 11:25

I'll fire up the Lightening Generator and channel it through DSL so he'll work faster.

Don't you dare rush the man!

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #130 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 11:54 »

Quote from: Carl-E on 07 Nov 2012, 11:42

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 07 Nov 2012, 11:25
I'll fire up the Lightening Generator and channel it through DSL so he'll work faster.

Don't you dare rush the man!

So... 4,000 volts sufficient?

lepetitfromage · « **Reply #131 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 12:13 »

Wooo! Looks awesome thus far

jwhouk · « **Reply #132 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 16:19 »

Y'know, it would make sense that Tai signed her netbook with her screen name (Tai-Les).

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #133 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 16:28 »

DSL: the art is looking fabulous... keep up the good work!

His tweet earlier made it seem like guest strips might still be welcome...

https://twitter.com/jephjacques/status/266321201473925120

DSL · « **Reply #134 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 17:38 »

For your viewing pleasure.

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #135 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 17:44 »

Awesome... as in, I am filled with awe from it.

Great job!

FunkyTuba · « **Reply #136 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 17:47 »

also: thanks for having Pintsize plugged in

Gnomes2169 · « **Reply #137 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 17:51 »

I love the last panel, great work man.

Are we ready to submit this to Jeph everyone? Anyone have last-second edits?

<mod edit for spelling>

jwhouk · « **Reply #138 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 18:00 »

I love it.

(Hee hee, "Clumsette"....)

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #139 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 18:03 »

Quote from: DSL on 07 Nov 2012, 17:38

For your viewing pleasure.

Fantastic work, sir.

jwhouk · « **Reply #140 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 18:22 »

That last one has enough in-jokes to satisfy anyone who's a regular on these boards ($1.98 Drill Press, choosing the specials of the day...)

jwhouk · « **Reply #141 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 18:37 »

Tweeted the boss.

Quote from: @jwhouk (twitter)

@jephjacques Your humble fans at the forums have come up with a guest strip, if you wish to use it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/84624968@N06/sets/72157631952251557/ …

A note: I am completely fine if he decides not to use the strip. It is, after all, his comic. I would just hope that he realizes how much his fanbase really does enjoy his work - and that it takes so bleepin' many of us just to come up with a comic he shoots off in a relatively short period of time.

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #142 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 18:57 »

Quote from: jwhouk on 07 Nov 2012, 18:22

That last one has enough in-jokes to satisfy anyone who's a regular on these boards ($1.98 Drill Press, choosing the specials of the day...)

I didn't catch that the first time.

celticgeek · « **Reply #143 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 19:24 »

Superbness!!! Really great, guys.

Bluesummers · « **Reply #144 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 19:29 »

PFFTT Leaky Pony...I love it. XD

MillionDollar Belt Sander · « **Reply #145 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 20:07 »

The un-reversed text of $1.98 Drill Press's post:

Warhgarble by 147th Flying Tugboat Squadron, on Flickr

cesium133 · « **Reply #146 on:** 07 Nov 2012, 20:18 »

Quote from: MillionDollar Belt Sander on 07 Nov 2012, 20:07

The un-reversed text of $1.98 Drill Press's post:

Warhgarble by 147th Flying Tugboat Squadron, on Flickr

That's awesome!

DSL · « **Reply #147 on:** 08 Nov 2012, 01:52 »

Next thing to do is for me to stack the high-rezzes together and add the tag. I believe Jeph likes dot-png files? And what e-mail address do I use?

And yes, if we take anything away from this, it ought to be an appreciation for what goes into making each day's strip.

Jeph's said on Twitter and Tumblr that there's no waking moment he's not thinking at least a little about the strip and I can identify with that. I can also identify with his reluctance to let others influence the story and the characters, even as he appreciates the guest strips. It's his BABY. I know the feeling.

From the handful of times I watched the stream, I know a regular strip (no new backgrounds or characters, etc.) takes a minumum of two hours to produce, AFTER the scripting, and that's with no interruptions (which is probably one of the reasons he works at oh-f**k-thirty in the morning, Eastern US Time). I was taking about an hour and a half for each panel, not counting numerous interruptions (Family stuff, paying work, errands, and this guy with what looked like a Tesla coil, who wouldn't go away ... )

I can also appreciate the fact that Jeph is hugely self-taught and has, in fact, been inventing not only the strip but the way he draws it, as he goes along. I'm also largely self-taught, though there are one or two teachers way back when I wish I'd listened a little more closely to.

Speaking of learning, I don't mind saying that, even though I've been drawing for publication for about as long as Jeph has been alive, I've learned a few things about working in Photoshop by watching the livestream of Jeph drawing the comic. If you haven't watched a stream, do it; it's fascinating. He "builds" the comic as much as he draws it.

That's the kind of world we're in technologically, folks: We're all learning from and teaching one another and working out new stuff for ourselves.

If anyone's interested, the final panels of this guestravaganza were produced in Photoshop Elements, using an ancient Wacom Graphire tablet attached to a less-ancient MacBook. The rough panels were produced in SketchBook Pro on a first-generation iPad, the one I use for my editorial cartoons.

Though I'm ready to declare this done if y'all are, I'm going to go back one more time to the discussion of the off-panel dialogue in Panel 2; it could stand being a little less of a word-wall and there were some good thoughts there.

This was fun.

techkid · « **Reply #148 on:** 08 Nov 2012, 02:31 »

Yeah, seems pretty set to me. I likes what I sees there...

Excellent work, DSL and jwhouk (heh, "Leaky Pony Discussion Forum". Plus that forum post was awesome!)

Carl-E · « **Reply #149 on:** 08 Nov 2012, 02:36 »

The devil may be in the details, but so are most of the "in" jokes!

I just don't have words for how wonderful it is to see this. I've served on so many committees that got nothing done. Which is why...

Quote from: Carl-E on 01 Nov 2012, 07:28

Not to dissent, but

a) as one of the most popular webcomic artists out there he has no problem getting guest strips,

2) would he really want something from his loathed forums? Maybe as an apology for the past, but I don't see him using it, and

iii) we are the proverbial herd of cats. You're not going to get agreement on jack, and certainly not in a reasonable timeframe.

That being said, I wouldn't mind giving it a go and bring proven wrong...

I hereby rescind and formally apologize for this post.

THESE FORUMS NOW CLOSED (read only)

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