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The Return of the OMGTurkeys! What are YOU thankful for?

The strip.
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Jeph's health.
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MY health.
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YOUR health.
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Family and friends (though not necessarily in that order).
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...must... read... ALL the posts...
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Author Topic: WCDT: 2323-2327 (19-23 November 2012) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread  (Read 141834 times)

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People who hate other people for being different are idiots i don't hate anyone cause I don't care enough to hate
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Aww i wanted to explode.

I'm in my own private universe of porn right now

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Okay, that was unexpected.
So, trans? MTF or FTM?

In any case, it is nice to see a representation of a trans-gender/sexual person, which is not an over-the-camp drag queen or a macho dyke in leather with a bull-whip.
Well done, Jeph.
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This is so true, and most of the representations of trans people in media aren't that great, its nice to see good depictions of people like me

You make jokes about your brother losing a hand from jacking off to much?

On a more serious note, I have read multiple people saying Jeph portrays things such as mental illness and same-sex relationships rather well. Not necessarily surprising (to me at least) that he would handle this with grace. IE, treat it like it you like banana smoothies. 

Okay, that was unexpected.
So, trans? MTF or FTM?

In any case, it is nice to see a representation of a trans-gender/sexual person, which is not an over-the-camp drag queen or a macho dyke in leather with a bull-whip.
Well done, Jeph.

Male to female seems to make the most sense.

Also, Marten's mom could apply, in a way, to the "macho dyke in leather with a bull-whip."
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When did he do one about mental illness?
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When did he do one about mental illness?

Hannelore's struggles. I seem to recall in one of his tumblr dumps, someone stated they appreciated how he handled Hanner's OCD and such.
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Huh. Unexpected.

Going back through the comics, paints her brother in a pretty good light too.
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When did he do one about mental illness?

I would say half the comic is about mental illness of one sort or another
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As someone recently questioning the fuck out of my gender identity who has been reading QC for years:  :psyduck:

Feels like a sign, bros.
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I was surprised, as this seemed kinda out of nowhere to me.
I'm curious as to whether Claire's being trans will be a plot point in the future, or it'll just be one of those things that just exists, but no one makes a big deal about.
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It does bring forth the negative reactions of Clinton to Claire and Claire to Clinton into a new light...
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It does bring forth the negative reactions of Clinton to Claire and Claire to Clinton into a new light...

A little bit, but actually, my thought was that what it really brought into new light was Claire's reaction to Emily trying to chop off her hair.
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I'm starting to think I shouldn't have mentioned about the breakup thread not hitting 40 pages...
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The Return of the OMGTurkeys! What are YOU thankful for?

The strip.    13 (15.3%)
Jeph's health.    18 (21.2%)

MY health.    9 (10.6%)
YOUR health.    6 (7.1%)
Family and friends (though not necessarily in that order).    13 (15.3%)
This forum.    6 (7.1%)
Turkey and all the trimmings.    1 (1.2%)
The interwebs.    9 (10.6%)
Something else.    4 (4.7%)
Spathe Ham!    1 (1.2%)
...must... read... ALL the posts...    5 (5.9%)

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Best reaction (to that admission) ever.
Seriously.
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I've just realized that tomorrow and possibly the rest of the week is going to have Marten stubbornly keeping this a secret (I assume Claire only wants to tell people she really trusts) while everyone is going to ask him whether he and Claire made out, and it will be even more awkward than usual, particularly because Marten's apparently not into that. :P
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I've just realized that tomorrow and possibly the rest of the week is going to have Marten stubbornly keeping this a secret (I assume Claire only wants to tell people she really trusts) while everyone is going to ask him whether he and Claire made out, and it will be even more awkward than usual, particularly because Marten's apparently not into that. :P

Or maybe he is.....?
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I've just realized that tomorrow and possibly the rest of the week is going to have Marten stubbornly keeping this a secret (I assume Claire only wants to tell people she really trusts) while everyone is going to ask him whether he and Claire made out, and it will be even more awkward than usual, particularly because Marten's apparently not into that. :P

I'm guessing everyone will know by friday, no one will care and Clinton will make a smart ass commet. Then Claire will grab Steve's butt and all will be well in the QCverse. At least until Emily kills everybody.
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I just went and re-read a few of the older comics with Claire and Clinton after reading todays strip. Suddenly some of their excessive reactions and anxiety can be seen in a new light, and make a lot more sense.

For example, strip 2244. Now we know what sort of things Clinton was really trying to find out rather than go: "YOU wanted to know if she'd done anything creepy? Ha ha! You looked in the mirror lately buddy?" And I can't believe I didn't pick up his first reaction to being asked that was: "Why do you ask?" instead of "Yes."

And now I can see a new totally different reason as to why they were alarmed and upset at being mistaken for twins in strip 2277.

And look at Claire's anxious pose in panel two of 2278. Could what she REALLY have been asking is "He didn't say anything weird about ME, did he?"

Of course, this all assumes Jeph was planning this that far back and didn't just make it up as he went along and went: "Hey, I want to put a trans character in the strip. Lets see...Claire! She'll be perfect!" But after looking at those earlier strips, I'm don't think he did.
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Of course, this all assumes Jeph was planning this that far back and didn't just make it up as he went along and went: "Hey, I want to put a trans character in the strip. Lets see...Claire! She'll be perfect!"

I'd bet he's had this planned since before he introduced either of the siblings...it's his style. The interaction between them makes a lot more sense, yeah.

I like to think that to fully understand any good story, you have to read it at least twice.
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Really, her saying she's "trans" doesn't tell any of us much of anything. All we can do is guess. She could be F-T-M but not transitioning yet. She could be M-T-F pre-op, but presenting. She could be M-T-F post-op. And even beyond that, she could be aiming for being a straight male, bi male, gay male, straight female, bi female, gay female. We don't know. We're just pondering. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
And considering how Jeph just loves to keep us in the dark, that's probably how it'll remain for a while...it might be brought up in conversation later on.

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But being a drag queen certainly doesn't mean one ISN'T also trans.

That's an excellent point...I didn't mean to suggest that one can't be the other. ^_^
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I just went and re-read a few of the older comics with Claire and Clinton after reading todays strip. Suddenly some of their excessive reactions and anxiety can be seen in a new light, and make a lot more sense.

I think that might be reading too much into their behavior, to be honest. The comics you cited make perfect sense from a sibling standpoint - They're BOTH weird people who are prone to saying/doing weird things, it would seem. All three comics seem to simply be poking fun at the common sibling phenomenon of being SO alike, but believing you're SO different.
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what Claire is or isn't packing in her pants is relevant to those interested in shipping her with folks


(moderator) There's a no shipping rule, and it's more important than you might think. (/moderator)
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Oh, Donars Fluch!

Congrats, you've been officially initiated into the red-letter club. :D
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Really, her saying she's "trans" doesn't tell any of us much of anything. All we can do is guess. She could be F-T-M but not transitioning yet. She could be M-T-F pre-op, but presenting. She could be M-T-F post-op. And even beyond that, she could be aiming for being a straight male, bi male, gay male, straight female, bi female, gay female. We don't know. We're just pondering. Ain't nothing wrong with that.
And considering how Jeph just loves to keep us in the dark, that's probably how it'll remain for a while...it might be brought up in conversation later on.

Oh, totally. And I'm sure we'll have some red herrings thrown in just for fun, too XD

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But that doesn't mean I won't be doing it on my own, in my bedroom, with the lights off and creepy music playing in the background, while I sharpen my knives and smile demurely.

I mean... Well. Yeah. Okay.
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...By the way, anyone notice that Jeph likes to drop these little bombs on us right before Thanksgiving?

It's an incentive to be extra-thankful for QC.


...And anime girls with kitten ears are super-manly. Everyone knows that. 8)
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But that doesn't mean I won't be doing it on my own, in my bedroom, with the lights off and creepy music playing in the background, while I sharpen my knives and smile demurely.

I mean... Well. Yeah. Okay.

Just like the rest of us. ONE OF US...ONE OF US...
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Damn, it looks like I picked the right week to get back into the Ponyleaks Discussion Forum!

I knew I shouldn't'a quit drinkin'!!!  :psyduck:
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I Think at this point its probly safe to say she
Not to mention polite! No, I didn't see this coming either.
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I was going to contribute to this discussion, but the 12 replies that happened while I was typing out my rant did it for me, so I'll just add one thing:

I see enquiring about Sex Reassignment Surgery more a question of "Oh, so that's how Claire chooses to express her gender identity?" than "Oh, so Claire has a dong?"
It's a subtle difference, and personally I believe that it makes that particular line of discussion relevant, if accidentally insensitive at times.
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Oh, look, it's our UBMEOD wielder. Just in time.  :roll: :-D
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And WAYF - I think you just explained why it's called Questionable Content. :)
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I see enquiring about Sex Reassignment Surgery more a question of "Oh, so that's how Claire chooses to express her gender identity?" than "Oh, so Claire has a dong?"
It's a subtle difference, and personally I believe that it makes that particular line of discussion relevant, if accidentally insensitive at times.

I dunno, to the "right" people, the latter would be more relevant than the former.
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Oh, look, it's our UBMEOD wielder. Just in time.  :roll: :-D

That reminds me - where did Tergon go? Wasn't Tergon awesome or something?
Not that akronnick can't be awesome in his place, of course... :P
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Here, what Claire is or isn't packing in her pants is relevant to those interested in shipping her with folks, just as finding out if she identifies as straight, gay or bi does.

Um, while I can see why you'd want to know if she's straight, bi or gay, though clearly gay is out of the question with her reaction to Steve's butt, surely it's what the other character's issues with trans people and dating them that matters more than what is in Claire's pants..

I mean, if it matters to the other characters that her body didn't always match her mind, that would limit things, but if they didn't have a problem with that, it wouldn't. What she's actually got doesn't play a massive role there in my mind.

I hope that makes sense.. ^_^;;
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Welcome, new person!

That's a well-taken point. It's not a comic about surgery, it's about relationships.

Claire is so career-focused that I wouldn't bet on a romantic relationship being in her near future.
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As M. Night Shyamalan would say: "What a twist!"

Anyhow, I figure I'd react the same way if I were Marten.  After all, Claire comes from the same family as Clinton, so there's bound to be something weird about her.  They seem to like surgery, so why not?

Plus I'm drunk, so nothing's gonna surprise me.

And I'm grumpy from Faye kicking me back inside, so I'm barely listening anyway.
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Plus, Marten is really good at taking things in stride. He also seems better than average at figuring out what people need: comfort hugs for Faye, drumming for Hannelore, and beer mentoring for Marigold are examples. If Claire needed someone to ask "Do you want to talk more?", then he didn't do so well, but sometimes we just need someone to hear us out and not make a big deal of it.
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Could it be she's not trans by choice? I realise that sounds like a stupid question but I'm pretty sure there have been cases in the past of medical history where an accident or injury has caused someone to be changed gender, to save there life or some similar reason. Just a wild idea I had, as it might've been that the incident that caused it also took Clint's hand. She may not even be proud of it, and so it would've taken so much more to tell Marten!

Guys please, as a person I find it offensive we're talking about people. I identify myself as a person and have done for all of my life, and you guys think its okay to just talk about a person as if they're fictional? Well they're not! Well they are, but that's beside my point. I find it so offensive a person is drawn in a comic and you think its okay to treat them as some kind of interesting question-asking character. Just lay off guys.

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If someone here started making racist remarks about ... Gabby

Frizzy hair.

There's racism, and then there's *racism.*
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*Reads comic*
"Oh hey, that's cool, I guess I'll check out the forum, though this isn't a major plot shift like The Breakup and most readers are also likely too be cool with i-"
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Guys. Without even looking, I'm guessing it's mostly over-parsing everything?
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So is the inevitable tumblr shitstorm properly underway now, or are they a bit slow today?!
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Ha, I can't believe it! I guessed what Claire was going to say down to the letter, literally!
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I look in late Sunday afternoon after cooking most of the day, post reply #3 and go off on my merry way.  I return early in the morning and find this.  Well, didn't see it coming and Mr Jacques seems to be handling it with class.

Wonder if others will do so well?
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I think we're slowly reaching the point at which "taking fictional work too serious" (even if only as a kickstarter to a discussion) is an understatement of brobdingnagian proportions.
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Marten is just about the coolest most unflappable guy ever.

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Marten is just about the coolest most unflappable guy ever.

Srsly
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As someone recently questioning the fuck out of my gender identity who has been reading QC for years:  :psyduck:

Feels like a sign, bros.
aaand there comes me along, thinking that there should be no thing as "gender identity".
We're all humans.
Then again, being asexual and slightly alienated by both genders doesn't help my point, I guess.

On the comic:
I think it's good that jeph finally did something he planned for so long,
and martens reaction is superb, especially since I can already see the black tumblr clouds on the horizon coming closer with rapid speed.

also: I selected "The strip", "This Forum" and especially "YOUR health". That's right: Have a good day random internet person who thinks that I mean YOU.
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Marten is just about the coolest most unflappable guy ever.
Srsly

I'd drink to that.
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Ayup. Good on Marten not being frazzled or anything :)

Whats so hard to get about it being rude to ask about people's private-parts?

If a stranger came up to me like "Hows your penis?", Id be uncomfortable too.
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I have to admit, I was hoping Claire liked Marten. Also I did not see that coming, though I did anticipate Marten being perfectly fine with it. It also explains the "WE ARE NOT BROTHER AND SISTER" line a few comics back.
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