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Author Topic: WCDT: 2323-2327 (19-23 November 2012) Weekly Comic Discussion Thread  (Read 141754 times)

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Okay, now it makes sense that Claire invited Clinton, despite what we had seen of their relationship.











He's fun to pick on.
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When it comes to trying to be super-careful to say exactly the right thing (i.e. Mar-Bear/bikini situation) - I will absolutely fuck it up.  I get flustered, inadvertently make an inappropriate joke, you name it.  When I get anxious, it gets ugly, and I will usually say the wrong thing.

But when my brain switches into crisis mode - i.e. friend in distress, taking control of a chaotic situation, someone needs to be cared for - everything is calm.  No stress, no anxiety, I just do exactly what needs to be done. Be totally supportive, listen, give feedback - even if it's something that directly involves me.  The switch just flips, it's crazy.

It's weird, man, I dunno why it happens that way - but I feel like Marten's got something similar going on, like you said.
It's a strange phenomenon for sure. I'm about the same as well (except my life is more or less lived online, which does help when you can revise your thoughts before submitting them). Under normal circumstances, I'm pretty much either a stammering idiot, or silent, awkwardness and all. But when something is up with someone, you just... say the things you think they need to hear, and it's helpful.

In my case, it's probably because of that Internet "comfort zone" that I have. Get me face-to-face, and it's not there (my mouth hits "submit" before my brain finishes writing its message, if you will, and me thinking on the fly... does not work).

Also on today's comic, I d'awwwed a little (OK, fine, a lot) at their interaction today. Bro still has to look out for his sister, trans* or not. Siblings: The only people that will torment each other for their own amusement, and then beat the shit out of anyone else that tries. At least, ideally so...
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I honestly don't think there's been a comic that didn't feature one of the top "nine" characters (Marten, Faye, Dora, Hanners, Marigold, Steve, Sven, Tai, Pintsize) since Wil and Penelope.

EDIT: Actually, 2250 and Emily/Momo's interaction is the last time two non-main characters were in a strip essentially "by themselves."
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Issue the first:
I'm only up to page 7 in this thread.

Issue the second:
This is hardly the first time Jeff has touched on the transness of mainline characters.
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=973
http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=974

Issue the third:
I'm trans.
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Heh, forgot about "ballpocalypse".
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Aaaaaaw man this is adorable. Today I'm gonna celebrate my bday with my family (bday is tomorrow but that day will be spent mostly with my closest friends)... I'll make sure to give an extra big hug to my sis since we don't see each other too much nowdays.

I love these kind of comics, makes me appreciate the love I get from my family and friends which I take for granted most of the time.

I'm inspired! LOVE TO EVERYONE! :D
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As a guy with an older sister, I too know how Clinton feels. I also know that we tore bloody chunks out of each other when we were growing up. I also know that when she brought her first boyfriend, I immediately threatened to kick him in the shin and run away if he ever hurt her (I was 15, he was a 7 foot tall rugby player).

So yeah, little brothers do tend to be quite protective of their sisters.....but they'll never tell them that.
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Has anyone else wondered what would happen if Tai wasn't with Dora, how Claire would have reacted to Tai coming onto her?
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Well, she's 24, so she must have mastered handling unwanted attention by now. Unless she's so nerdy and hard-working that her social experience has been limited?
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With regard to the Lips/No Lips sexual dimorphism in the QC-verse... it's bunkum.

Anyone who emphasizes their lips with cosmetics (generally women) get the appearance of their lips augmented, but note the guys in the bottom row of that infographic. They all have a line that hints at their lip structure. They're not completely lipless. They're just lipstickless. It's only Clinton and Claire who are shown completely devoid of lips, but I noticed a distinct absence of Mar-bear.

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2307

OMG. She has no lips! Maybe she's a long lost cousin of Clinton and Claire! Or, she's a geekgirl at a lake party who doesn't engage in makeup in her everyday life and so has even less reason to engage in it when going out into the woods to swim in a lake and eat grilled food with friends.
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Momo has no lips. Neither do Winslow and Pintsize.

Oh my god. Pintsize.
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it's bunkum.

Well, sort-of.  At the start, Faye had lips, but Sara didn't.  Nor did the customers and staff in the restaurant that Marten and Faye went to.  After that the lips/no lips became more consistent, and I think (I'm not going looking right now) that it was about 1500 that the consistency began to break down again.  It's still a pretty strong indicator, none the less.
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What beans though!  Jinx what!
Curses, now we have to wait [measure of time greater than three days]!

I think the beans in questions were the fact that Claire is trans. She was worried that he would accidentally out her sometime during the night; she CHOSE to come out to Marten later in the night, but you'll notice she hasn't even come out to the rest of the group, so him outing her would still have been a problem.

But then why is he worried about jinxing it? He had that look on his face that he was concerned about something... else.

I mean, you're probably right. It's just fun to think about MOAR MISTREYS
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What beans though!  Jinx what!
Curses, now we have to wait [measure of time greater than three days]!

I think the beans in questions were the fact that Claire is trans. She was worried that he would accidentally out her sometime during the night; she CHOSE to come out to Marten later in the night, but you'll notice she hasn't even come out to the rest of the group, so him outing her would still have been a problem.

But then why is he worried about jinxing it? He had that look on his face that he was concerned about something... else.

I mean, you're probably right. It's just fun to think about MOAR MISTREYS

My guess would be that now that Marten knows, there is something of a relief on Clinton, as he isn't the only person who knows Claire now. But with that relief, Clinton might become a little careless. In talking to Marten, he might let something slip in front of someone else.

As for his concern, it might be that he's worried about Claire telling Marten. All his experience with Mr. Reed has been being threatened with a sword and tied to a chair and being threatened, hardly leaving the best impression.
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In Momo's words:
 

Yes, exactly. One day... probably not in my lifetime though.

We just memorilised the 263 trans people killed this year for being trans. Up from last year, but I think it's just a sign of better reporting, not an increase in violence. True figure's at least an order of magnitude higher.

To gain some perspective - statistically, in the US we should have about 1 trans person murdered every 2-3 years. There were at least 15 last year alone.

Having an artist take so many pains not to hurt or give offence.... you have no idea how much that's appreciated.
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The Return of the OMGTurkeys! What are YOU thankful for?

The strip.    62 (13%)
Jeph's health.    105 (22%)
MY health.    57 (11.9%)
YOUR health.    29 (6.1%)
Family and friends (though not necessarily in that order).    84 (17.6%)
This forum.    19 (4%)
Turkey and all the trimmings.    13 (2.7%)
The interwebs.    44 (9.2%)
Something else.    22 (4.6%)
Spathe Ham!    12 (2.5%)
...must... read... ALL the posts...    31 (6.5%)

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Dawwww

Cute sibling moment
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Been a while since I posted in the forums, but the comic has been so good lately! Not to mention this thread has been great, with excellent posts and SCIENCE galore.

on an unrelated note: I remember being around when the useless broom of dicks first appeared. Mention of them never fails to make me smile.
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By the way - I get this sense that in those last panels after Marten left, Claire's voice suddenly changed by about an octave.
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What's known about Hannelore's psychological history is consolidated at
http://questionablecontent.wikia.com/wiki/Hannelore_Ellicott-Chatham

It's all of the above, plus psychotherapy. She is immeasurably better now than in her childhood.

I got a solid laugh out of the "Criticisms" section. TIL that people with OCD never forget anything anywhere. News to me. I forget everything everywhere and as a result, have to have my purse/wallet somehow attached to myself when I go out - or else I set it down and WHOOSH! It's forgotten. I've probably lost hundreds of dollars' worth of purchases (I wish I was exaggerating) by setting down the bags to look at something else... and then walking away.

Anyone who emphasizes their lips with cosmetics (generally women) get the appearance of their lips augmented, but note the guys in the bottom row of that infographic. They all have a line that hints at their lip structure. They're not completely lipless. They're just lipstickless. It's only Clinton and Claire who are shown completely devoid of lips, but I noticed a distinct absence of Mar-bear.

Totally agreed. Not to harp on the OCD thing (it's just a coincidence that both of my comments here relate to it, lol), but someone earlier tried to say this couldn't be the case because Hanners is shown with lips and she wouldn't wear lipstick, due to her OCD. *forehead smack* No, Hannelore totally could (and probably does) wear lipstick. Marigold totally does ping me as someone who often wouldn't bother with it, though - and she's been shown at times to BE wearing it, which also seems pretty true-to-form for her character.
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Totally agreed. Not to harp on the OCD thing (it's just a coincidence that both of my comments here relate to it, lol), but someone earlier tried to say this couldn't be the case because Hanners is shown with lips and she wouldn't wear lipstick, due to her OCD. *forehead smack* No, Hannelore totally could (and probably does) wear lipstick.

 Indeed.
 She used it in her father's birthday in the space station (#2135 - #2160).

 
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Indeed.
 She used it in her father's birthday in the space station (#2135 - #2160).

 

Yeah, see! That's totally what I was- Wait. Her father has lips. Now I'm confused again.

Makeup is evidently another recently acquired skill.

You've come a long way, baby.

She sure has XD And might I say how much I love Winslow's "I think you're beautiful!" <3
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Yeah, see! That's totally what I was- Wait. Her father has lips. Now I'm confused again.

 No, he hasn't  ._.
 The lady in the lab coat is the "Doctor as a hobby" of the station  :lol: .
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Yeah, see! That's totally what I was- Wait. Her father has lips. Now I'm confused again.

 No, he hasn't  ._.
 The lady in the lab coat is the "Doctor as a hobby" of the station  :lol: .

Oh my God!!! I'm a complete moron. :lol:
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Damn, I was on my way to the bunker, and this thread happened...

took me a few days, but I've caught up.  It's been alternately fascinating, horrifying, satisfying, and at times, downright silly. 



Thanks, everyone. 


 :psyduck: <--- Isn't this the WTF Duck?   :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
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It's been alternately fascinating, horrifying, satisfying, and at times, downright silly.

Isn't that QC in a nutshell though?
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True that. We just try to spread that fascinating, horrifying, satisfying silliness as far into our lives as is humanly (and maybe inhumanly) possible.
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By the way - I get this sense that in those last panels after Marten left, Claire's voice suddenly changed by about an octave.
No matter what, I still hear him with the voice of Dian Bachar in my head.

EDIT: DAMMIT, I completely misread jwhouk's post, I was speaking about Clinton!
« Last Edit: 24 Nov 2012, 07:38 by Schmorgluck »
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Damn, I was on my way to the bunker, and this thread happened... :psyduck: <--- Isn't this the WTF Duck?   :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck: :psyduck:
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It's comics like Friday's that make me really wish I had a sibling. Growing up as an only child is a pretty lonesome endeavor.
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Soon there will be a new week, and a new thread to discuss comics in.

The extensive discussion in this thread came about as a result of the comics, of course, but this is the time for discussions that go beyond the comics themselves to migrate to the Chatter and Discuss parts of the forum where they can continue without getting split up each week.  Concerns from this thread have already spawned a new thread in Discuss, and some have been touched on in other existing threads.  Feel free to join in on those threads and to create others if appropriate; it will make more sense in the long run to do that now and to leave the next comic discussion thread to discuss new comics without getting interleaved with more serious matters.
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Hi.  Eight year reader.  New forum member (the existence of this message board didn't really register in my mind, and I'm not generally a forum person anyway) brought out of the woodwork, like so many others, by the Claire arc.  I'm a 25-year-old trans woman and college student, so Claire hits pretty close to home for me.

I really have nothing constructive to add here, except that I want to thank the majority of members here for truly being a class act.  With the exception of a few meatheads, this has been a pretty enjoyable read.  You guys are awesome.  I also want to thank Jeph but... well, I already did that via email.  Twice.

I'd also like to add that I read this entire 21-page thread in one sitting over about six hours.  I feel like I've run my head through a wheat thresher.  I should go lay down.   :psyduck:

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The discussion of trans* issues has been separated out from this thread as well as I could manage.  The new topic has been moved to DISCUSS!.

http://forums.questionablecontent.net/index.php?topic=28499.0
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All the props to Clinton for protecting his big sister :laugh:

Jeph totally nails the sibling rivalry/relationship between these two. At Thanksgiving this year my older sister and I beat the crap out of each other, (oh, man, my poor grandmother who's never seen us fight before), and were laughing all the time and the time afterwards. Needless to say my mom was pissed, but it was a bonding moment :wink:
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