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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #400 on: 05 Apr 2016, 14:04 »

I will admit I hadn't actually forgotten what it stood for... But it had been so long since I heard it referred to as 'Detective Comics' that I had to stop and think what this was about for a few moments...
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #401 on: 05 Apr 2016, 21:26 »

I forget if this was brought up already (or if I brought it up), but why the fuck would criminals react poorly to criminals had been branded by Batman?

Criminal: Hey, fellow criminal! Batman stopped you from committing crimes, you are therefore my enemy! Even though he probably had a hand in my incarceration as well!

More than pretty much everything else, what the hell?
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« Reply #402 on: 06 Apr 2016, 02:42 »

Hey, you went all the way huh  :laugh:

I wonder how many actually know what DC stands for.

Given it's usually called DC Comics (Detective Comics Comics) I think most people could be forgiven for forgetting...
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #403 on: 06 Apr 2016, 06:02 »

People also tend to say ATM machine, PIN number, and RAS Syndrome.
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #404 on: 06 Apr 2016, 07:36 »

Hey, you went all the way huh  :laugh:

I wonder how many actually know what DC stands for.

Given it's usually called DC Comics (Detective Comics Comics) I think most people could be forgiven for forgetting...

That's kinda my point.
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #405 on: 07 Apr 2016, 15:23 »

I forget if this was brought up already (or if I brought it up), but why the fuck would criminals react poorly to criminals had been branded by Batman?

Criminal: Hey, fellow criminal! Batman stopped you from committing crimes, you are therefore my enemy! Even though he probably had a hand in my incarceration as well!

More than pretty much everything else, what the hell?

From what I remember there's usually a hierarchy in Prison with some crimes being looked down upon more than others, like pedophilia. I guess they thought that someone marked with the Bat's mark must be really bad and killing them would curry favor with Batman

(On a side note, can you believe it's actually curry favor? I would have thought it was some other kind of spelling, but nope, curry. Had to look that one up)
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« Reply #406 on: 10 Apr 2016, 07:03 »

Saw Batman vs Superman on Friday and I have to say, I feel very "meh" about it. I mean, its not the worst superhero film I've seen, but its also nowhere near the best either.

That said, the highlights for me included:
-Jeremy Irons as Alfred, but then he's always gold.
-Lawrence Fishburne as Perry White, again gold.
-And I guess some of the fight scenes...

I don't know, I just felt like it was the cinematic version of a child playing with two toys and bashing them together. Or they were flinging stuff at the wall and seeing what would stick. And don't get me started on the dream sequences...or the number of them. It just felt like an incoherent mess.

Something I have noticed with the DC and Marvel films, it kind of feels like DC are finding people who might seem popular or cool at the moment, compared to Marvel, who search for people who could really be their characters - Robert Downey Jr.'s over-the-top-ness as Tony Stark, Mark Ruffalo's tragic-and-tired turn as Bruce Banner and so on.

At this stage I'm just wondering how bad the Suicide Squad is going to drop and how many people are going to flock to Captain America: Civil War.
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« Reply #407 on: 10 Apr 2016, 08:12 »

At this stage I'm just wondering how bad the Suicide Squad is going to drop and how many people are going to flock to Captain America: Civil War.

Twitter chatter regarding the recent preview showing of Captain America - Civil War has been very positive. If it does extra well compared to BvS, then a major shake-up in DCCU could follow.
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« Reply #408 on: 10 Apr 2016, 09:20 »

Even after Batman vs. Superman I'm very optimistic about Suicide Squad
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« Reply #409 on: 10 Apr 2016, 09:32 »

At this stage I'm just wondering how bad the Suicide Squad is going to drop and how many people are going to flock to Captain America: Civil War.

Twitter chatter regarding the recent preview showing of Captain America - Civil War has been very positive. If it does extra well compared to BvS, then a major shake-up in DCCU could follow.

I honestly don't see this. It's like the the success of the MCU movies is a surprise anymore. And honestly, the reasons why they are a success shouldn't be a surprise either. But people keep getting it wrong anyway. The latest was Deadpool being an R rated movie with violence, low brow humor and cursing... HEY! Let's do super hero movies like that because it worked! No... It worked for Deadpool. It doesn't work for Superman. Neither does turning Superman into Superbatman or SuperGrimDarkEmoMan.

The people in charge of the DC live action movies have consistently failed for a very long time because they are blinded by their one success story, Batman. They keep failing to grasp the reasons why. They keeps say "grim and semi-realistic Batman is a big seller, so grim and semi-realistic is the way to go!' Noooo.. People keep telling you. That works for Batman, because it can fit his character. It doesn't work for Superman because that's not his character. It's a matter of respecting the character and staying true to the vision.. That's why each MCU movie can be a success while still being wildly different in tone. They give each character the movie that fits them. They don't try to shoe horn Captain America into a Deadpool style blood and dark humor fest. They have Thor fighting gods and monsters, not dealing with shadowy government organizations in a high tech spy thriller...

And the crazy thing is... The DC animated movies have always been consistently great, and always popular. Because they don't try to reinvent the characters into something they are not.... Well, aside from Teen Titans Go. And the less said about that abomination, the better.
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« Reply #410 on: 10 Apr 2016, 12:49 »

Exactly.

Marvel looks at the overall theme and tone of the character(s) involved and creates a film to fit the character. Look at Guardians of the Galaxy, which was a relatively unknown property before they announced the film. It took in three quarters of a billion dollars (nearly four times its budget!) for what was basically a comedy adventure, of a relatively unknown property. Compare that to Man of Steel, featuring arguably the most famous superhero in fiction and it barely took in three times its budget.

But you're right, DC seems to think that every film needs to be GRIMDARK, it only fits Batman because its his background, his story. Its inherent to the character, but even then Bruce Wayne/Batman is still one of the kindest/most compassionate people in the DC roster. I can only imagine what might happen if they ever introduce Bat-mite; instead of a playful and mischievous imp, we might see some demonic and bloodthirsty demon who feeds off the livers of kids...

 
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #411 on: 10 Apr 2016, 13:15 »

I have pointed out elsewhere that before anyone - ANYONE - considers writing anything for Superman, they need to watch the "Can You Read My Mind?" scene in the original Superman movie - at least 1,000 times - before proceeding.

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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #412 on: 10 Apr 2016, 15:19 »

Or a few scenes from Justice League animated series and the rest of the DCAU.


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« Reply #413 on: 10 Apr 2016, 15:25 »

Or this
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #414 on: 11 Apr 2016, 16:26 »

Even after Batman vs. Superman I'm very optimistic about Suicide Squad

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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #415 on: 11 Apr 2016, 16:45 »

Yes please.
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« Reply #417 on: 23 Apr 2016, 10:34 »

Yeah, I keep reading stories about Leto freaking out the cast and crew with "The Joker According to Chuck Palahniuk"-style pranks, but half of it sounds made up.  Is he really doing all that?  Because it sounds more annoying than freaky, to me at least.  Like, ugh, we get it, you read Fight Club and thought it was deep, get over yourself already.
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« Reply #418 on: 24 Apr 2016, 19:38 »

I've read a couple of articles where he claims that playing the Joker has really messed him up and that going to that dark place will forever change him.

At that point, I've closed the magazine or I've exited out of the browser. Him claiming that, its an insult. It's an insult to all the other actors who have played the Joker.

Ceser Romero is remembered as a warm and hilarious man who came up with the Joker's laugh by accident. He had an incredibly varied career.

Jack Nicholson is a favourite of journalists and interviewers because of how friendly he is during interviews, despite playing some of the darkest characters in film history (including The Shining).

Heath Ledger, despite the tragedy of his death, was said by Michael Caine to be a man devoted to his daughter and prone to messing about with his skateboard during breaks on The Dark Knight.

Mark Hamill has been playing the Joker for nearly 25 years, in fact his Joker is considered to be the nastiest and most "evil" versions of that character. Away from the role he's...well he's Mark Hamill and one of the nicest and friendliest celebrities, always taking time to talk to fans.

Jared Leto is just using the Joker as an excuse to act like a dickhead.

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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #420 on: 01 Jul 2016, 16:13 »

Sounds llike Leto needs a good hard Gibbsmack and a "Cut the shit Jared"
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« Reply #421 on: 01 Jul 2016, 18:17 »

I still can't get used to tattooed, metal teeth Joker. Everyone who has played him has had their own take on the character I know. I just don't like this version. Maybe seeing him in action I'll get over how dumb he looks. Maybe he'll tank so bad that the studio will quietly find a new actor and agree to never do that again. But I just expect that I'll wind up disappointed in him.
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« Reply #422 on: 23 Jul 2016, 05:59 »

SDCC Wonder Woman poster is pretty cool:
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« Reply #423 on: 23 Jul 2016, 11:15 »

They're making more use of colour. I like it.

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« Reply #424 on: 23 Jul 2016, 14:47 »

I think what your looking at is her armor as it looked brand new and in first time use.  By the time of BvS, the years had taken their toll on it despite the careful maintenance and repair that Diana would have put into it over the centuries.

They even mention this in one of the Special Features I ran across on YouTube recently. 
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #426 on: 23 Jul 2016, 20:51 »

I'm not even a fan of the superhero genre, generally, and the WW trailer still looks really good to me.
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« Reply #428 on: 24 Jul 2016, 08:57 »

I'm sure that there are those who will accuse DC of ripping off Captain America - The First Avenger without realising that this is essentially the original comics origin story of Wonder Woman brought to the big screen. It's a gutsy move on DCCU's part and may alone make me want to see the movie.
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« Reply #429 on: 24 Jul 2016, 10:07 »


Pretty damn excited about Justice League, all of a sudden.
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« Reply #430 on: 24 Jul 2016, 13:34 »

And just for fun, I ran across this on Youtube the other day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YntRLc2cpM
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« Reply #431 on: 24 Jul 2016, 21:11 »

Man that theme is so great. It probably not happen, but it would make the movie for me if the somehow used it the upcoming Justice League film.
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« Reply #432 on: 25 Jul 2016, 01:34 »

It occurs to me that, given the time-frame when Wonder Woman is set, plust the established role her legend played in inspiring Batman, Superman and others, DC could have tweaked the MCU's nose by titling the film: "Wonder Woman - The First Superhero". :-D
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« Reply #433 on: 25 Jul 2016, 15:27 »

I just hope at some stage  they get around to bringing the other three into the JLA
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« Reply #434 on: 25 Jul 2016, 16:37 »

The other three?
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« Reply #435 on: 26 Jul 2016, 03:54 »

Proposal
The recent critically-equivocal Superman and Batman movie would have benefitted from being divided into two parts - 'Superman vs. Batman' and 'Dawn of Justice'.

The first part would have allowed better and more focussed exploration of Luthor's manipulation of the heroes for his own twisted ends and perhaps explore the reapprochment between the two heroes in the aftermath of their abortive duel.

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« Reply #436 on: 26 Jul 2016, 16:52 »

The other three?

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« Reply #437 on: 26 Jul 2016, 20:07 »

Hahaha, just noticed that Rick and Morty is on a monitor in the background in Barry's lair.
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« Reply #438 on: 26 Jul 2016, 21:42 »

John Stewart
J'onn J'onzz
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Oh, the animated series. Yeah, I'd definitively be in favor of replacing Cyborg with my man JJ. No, please, not that JJ! :psyduck:
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« Reply #439 on: 27 Jul 2016, 05:15 »

I thought Cyborg looked pretty good in the trailer. It's still strange to me thinking of him as Justice League though. I grew up and through most of my adulthood he was a core part of the Teen Titans.
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« Reply #440 on: 27 Jul 2016, 06:04 »

I'm not very familiar with DC as a whole and usually prefer Marvel.. but damn, I SO wanna see Jason Momoa as Aquaman.
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« Reply #441 on: 27 Jul 2016, 17:54 »

In other news, DC and Warner Brothers have decided to set a few measures to keep Zack Synder in check. Namely, Geoff Johns is going to be in charge of making sure the films are in line with the comics, Ben Affleck is taking over the executive producer role for the Justice League films, while John Berg, one of the top WB executives, is taking over the business side of things. Zack Synder is basically being kicked upstairs to make sure he doesn't get into any more trouble.

Related to Ben Affleck, watching clips of the film and a thought occurred to me. For a man who goes to such drastic lengths to keep his identity secret, you would think that Batman would extend the cowl to COVER THE HIGHLY CONSPICUOUS AND IDENTIFIABLE MOLE ON HIS FACE!!!
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« Reply #442 on: 28 Jul 2016, 19:40 »

That mole is permanently covered in darkness, the blood of his enemies and the sounds of bones breaking.
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« Reply #444 on: 30 Jul 2016, 13:30 »

Looking at those facial expressions, you remember what a capital crime it was to have Smith play the most boring, emotionally sterile character ever in that M Night movie..
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Re: Detective Comics Cinematic Universe (formerly Man of Steel)
« Reply #446 on: 02 Aug 2016, 18:16 »

The reviews so far are rather polarized. Seems the critiques are split on this one.
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« Reply #447 on: 02 Aug 2016, 18:35 »

Yeah, I'm getting less excited to see it now.
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« Reply #448 on: 02 Aug 2016, 20:24 »

I'm torn about Suicide Squad.
On the one hand, I do like ensemble films like the Dirty Dozen.
But on the other hand, nothing the DCCU has said and/or done has really filled me with any sort of confidence.
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« Reply #449 on: 03 Aug 2016, 02:21 »

Uh oh. After opening reviews, Suicide Squad is getting 35% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes. Only one viewer review in so far but it is a mediocre 2/5.

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