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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #250 on: 24 May 2014, 07:06 »

Honestly I know very little about Ant-Man and even less about Wright's plans for the film, I just know Wright's a damn good filmmaker.
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« Reply #251 on: 24 May 2014, 07:17 »

Honestly, without Wright I am now interested in this film again. I like Wright, but he is not Joss Whedon. They have some things in common but Whedon has almost always made things which were action with funny lines, not action comedies. And there is a difference. Wright's films, discounting Fistful Of Fingers which I haven't seen, have been Hot Fuzz, Shaun, Scott Pilgrim and The World's End. His TV work has ALL been comedy. I just don't see how this lines up. Ant Man, and the MCU, they are not Scott Pilgrim action, they are not comedic gunfights in a backwater village. This is real shit, and I just don't think Wright could've done it, or if he had done it, I don't think it would've fit in with the larger MCU tone at all.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #252 on: 24 May 2014, 07:22 »

Wait, The Avengers isn't an action comedy?
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« Reply #253 on: 24 May 2014, 07:30 »

I wouldn't call it a comedy. The core of the films aren't funny, it's just that the characters themselves do or say things that are quite funny. Like...Batman: The Brave and the Bold I felt was meant to be a comedy Batman show. Justice League of America was not a comedy, but sometimes funny things happened. I can't really explain it, but I don't think the point of the MCU is to be funny, I think it's just adding a bit of lightheartedness to be different from the latest DCU stuff, which is pretty much all dark and depressing.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #254 on: 24 May 2014, 07:41 »

I guess I just don't put as much importance on what the point is. If something seems to run on laughs as much as action, I consider it an action comedy.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #255 on: 24 May 2014, 07:41 »

Wait, The Avengers isn't an action comedy?

Men in Black, Police Academy and the aforementioned Wright movies are action comedies. Films like The Avengers are just action films with comedic elements.  8-)
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #256 on: 24 May 2014, 07:45 »

Seems kind of semanticy, but ok.
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« Reply #257 on: 24 May 2014, 07:48 »

I guess I just don't put as much importance on what the point is. If something seems to run on laughs as much as action, I consider it an action comedy.

Well that's probably one reason why you aren't a film maker - these differences matter in the creation. It's not semantics. The way you're looking at it, you may as well just break it down to 'is the film good, or not good?' regardless of genre.

This is why so many horror comedies fail, because they're too much horror or too much comedy. Shaun of the Dead is seen as being a great horror comedy movie because it does both well (although I think it goes too dark at the end). If there hadn't been a single joke in Avengers Assemble, it wouldn't have made the film a failure, it would just have meant that it took itself seriously. See also: The Dark Knight.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #258 on: 24 May 2014, 08:46 »

It wouldn't have meant the film was a failure, but it would've also made it a very different movie.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #259 on: 24 May 2014, 09:00 »

Without jokes, Avengers would've been almost the exact same movie. And even if that weren't the case, it's not a comedy.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #260 on: 24 May 2014, 09:04 »

I can agree with the second sentence (you've convinced me that much), but not with the first one.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #261 on: 24 May 2014, 09:08 »

Well the second one is the more important point anyway, the point being that Edgar Wright makes comedies with sci-fi or action elements, not sci-fi/action with comedic elements. The MCU is not a comedy series.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #262 on: 24 May 2014, 09:15 »

Yeah, that's fair.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #263 on: 24 May 2014, 09:53 »

Bad news, tho Gareth might be right. It always seemed like Wright's plans for the movie fell a little far away from the rest of the MCU. Wonder if this changes the script in major ways, like making Henry Pym the main character again. (The plans were, that I gathered, that it would feature both Hank Pym and Scott Lang, but Pym would be just an old scientist, and Scott be the one to actually utilize Pym's technology to become Ant-Man)

Well they haven't changed the release date, which kind of makes me worried. What really sucks is that he was talking about an Ant-man movie before Iron Man even started. Honestly, Edgar Wright was my main draw to this movie.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #264 on: 25 May 2014, 07:20 »

Would it be a bad thing if one of the MCU films was a comedy? Also, is the trailer for Guardians misleading? Because if not, I don't see how someone could avoid calling that a comedy.
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« Reply #265 on: 25 May 2014, 08:11 »

The MCU films are not a single type or genre, outside 'superhero action'. The different films have a very different feel and take on the same source matter. Look at the shift in tone between Captain America 1 and 2. Guardians of the Galaxy has definitely been marketed with it's comedy elements front and center. Which is a considerably different tone than say, the first Thor or Hulk movies.
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« Reply #266 on: 25 May 2014, 08:56 »

I haven't seen Guardians so I can't comment on whether it's a comedy, but the way superhero films are marketed these days when they aren't sequels often seems to focus on the one-liners anyway.
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« Reply #267 on: 25 May 2014, 09:45 »

I'd have preferred to keep Wright and lose Ant-Man :o the Russos gave us both Arrested Development and The Winter Soldier, so I reckon Wright would've had a fair chance of making something reasonably good :)
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« Reply #268 on: 26 May 2014, 08:22 »

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About 3 months ago, Marvel had notes. The meat of the notes were about the core morality of the piece, must include franchise characters. etc., These notes came from the big four at Marvel. Joe Cornish and Edgar Wright did two drafts to try and answer the notes without compromising their vision.

6 weeks ago Marvel took the script off them and gave the writing assignment to two very low credit writers. One of the writers were from Marvel's in house writing team. Edgar stayed cool, agreed to stay on the project, and read the draft.

The script came in this week and was completely undone. Poorer, homogenized, and not Edgar's vision. Edgar met with Marvel on Friday to formally exit and the announcement went out directly after.

Edgar & Joe were upset by the sudden, out of nowhere lack of faith in them as filmmakers. Fiege had always batted for them but this felt like it came from the higher ups.

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"Sometimes you have friends in a relationship. You love each of them dearly as individuals and think they're amazing people. When they talk to you about their troubles, you do everything you can to support them, to keep them together, because if you love them both so much doesn't it make sense they should love each other? But little by little you realize, at heart, they aren't meant to be together not because there's anything wrong with either of them, but they just don't have personalities that mesh in a comfortable way. They don't make each other happy. Although it's sad to see them split, when they do, you're surprisingly relieved, and excited to see where their lives take them next.

It's easy to try to make one party "right" and another party "wrong" when a breakup happens, but it often isn't that simple. Or perhaps it's even more simple than that not everyone belongs in a relationship together. It doesn't mean they're not wonderful people.

And that's true of both Edgar Wright and Marvel. One of them isn't a person, but I think you get what I mean."
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #269 on: 26 May 2014, 15:21 »

Plz Gunn, get off facebook and maek Gardiens off teh galaksy nao plz





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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #270 on: 27 May 2014, 16:34 »

Matthew Murdock/Daredevil cast: Charlie Cox

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« Reply #271 on: 27 May 2014, 16:39 »

Hmm. I like Charlie Cox...but...well, I guess I'll have to just wait and see how it turns out.
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« Reply #273 on: 30 May 2014, 18:05 »

Josh Brolin is gonna be Thanos
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« Reply #274 on: 31 May 2014, 10:46 »

I'm ok with that.
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« Reply #275 on: 31 May 2014, 18:01 »

Maybe I can forgive him for Jonah Hex, Men in Black and Gangster Squad then :)
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« Reply #276 on: 31 May 2014, 19:53 »

He was in No Country for Old Men. He was the third best performance at best, but still, fantastic movie.
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« Reply #277 on: 03 Jun 2014, 05:30 »

I honestly loved him in MiB
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« Reply #278 on: 03 Jun 2014, 05:35 »

Confession: I still haven't seen the third one
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« Reply #279 on: 04 Jun 2014, 02:37 »

it's surprisingly pretty good.
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« Reply #280 on: 04 Jun 2014, 05:34 »

I thought it was just about as dumb and bad as the first two, but then again I'm not really a huge fan of action comedies.  :lol:
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« Reply #281 on: 04 Jun 2014, 05:38 »

J - I'll check it out eventually.
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« Reply #282 on: 04 Jun 2014, 07:46 »

Director for the Doctor Strange movie announced (Is that also the first official announcment of the movie?):
Scott Derrickson

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/135021-Scott-Derrickson-Will-Direct-Marvels-Doctor-Strange

I don't really watch much horror movies, so I don't know if this guy's any good. Although, he did direct The Day The Earth Stood still, but I can't remember if that was any good. Nevertheless, it doesn't seem like Marvel is searching for visionary auteur directors, but rather competent directors capable at working together with a larger creative team towards a common vision. Aka, why it didn't work out with Wright.

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« Reply #283 on: 09 Jun 2014, 16:17 »

Banaldick Humperdink and Tom Hardy are rumored for Dr. Strange. And I don't want either of them to play him
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« Reply #284 on: 09 Jun 2014, 16:19 »

Why not?
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« Reply #285 on: 09 Jun 2014, 16:55 »

I'm okay with Tom Hardy, but I'm tired of seeing Bumbelpatch Hightop
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« Reply #286 on: 09 Jun 2014, 16:56 »

What? How can you be tired of Bumblebee Cummerbund? That dude's awesome!
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« Reply #287 on: 09 Jun 2014, 21:58 »

Eh, I think nerd culture is fast approaching a saturation point with him. I'm sure there's a Marvel character he'd be perfect to play but Dr Strange isn't it. I'm pulling for Pedro Pascal, dude needs more screen time.
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« Reply #288 on: 10 Jun 2014, 04:44 »

I'd much rather have Hardy over Cumberbund. Dr. Strange just doesn't fit the latter's style.
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« Reply #289 on: 10 Jun 2014, 04:45 »

Confession, I don't know much about Dr. Strange. Also, I hate the term nerd culture.
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« Reply #290 on: 10 Jun 2014, 06:45 »

Also, I hate the term nerd culture.

It's almost as bad as "EDM".
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« Reply #291 on: 10 Jun 2014, 08:37 »

I also hate the term nerd culture, but fact is it's been trendy for about as long as Big Bang Theory has been on air.

I kinda miss being an outcast.
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« Reply #292 on: 10 Jun 2014, 21:17 »

I don't care about nerdy stuff being trendy, I just don't like the idea of nerdiness being a "culture".
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« Reply #293 on: 11 Jun 2014, 01:06 »

But it more or less is one. It just has disparate strands, like any culture.
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« Reply #295 on: 20 Jun 2014, 08:09 »

That's awesome.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #297 on: 16 Jul 2014, 16:56 »

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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #298 on: 17 Jul 2014, 01:06 »

You know, I'm not as bothered about this film in particular, but I really hate the sheer amount of pre-release news and photos we get about movies these days.

If I was more of a fan of Avengers I wouldn't want to see Ultron. I wouldn't even want to see a trailer. I would want to drop in totally cold into the movie and just see what happens.
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Re: Marvel Cinematic Universe
« Reply #299 on: 17 Jul 2014, 07:13 »

I'm reading most, if not all of the current Avenger books so I guess I'm a pretty big fan. I have two feelings on the subject...

On the one hand, with all the news Marvel loves leaking about their books, the latest of which being that

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It's really not much to see just a picture of Ultron (though as you said, that's not quite as bothersome as what is done for other movies). Plus I'm a little more pumped now, since I think he looks pretty awesome.

On the other hand, I think back to The Dark Knight and how I knew nothing about the Two-Face persona actually showing up in the movie (figured they'd save it for the sequel) and how awesome it was to be proven wrong... it might have been leaked well ahead of time, I don't know, but it was news to me. Keeping stuff like that hidden as long as possible for the audience to enjoy in the moment is definitely something worth doing.

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