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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #200 on: 01 Jun 2009, 14:37 »

I'm a fan of F#F#F#F#BE. This was used on a lot of my favorite SY songs, so it's fun experimenting with it.
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« Reply #201 on: 01 Jun 2009, 14:47 »

Which way do you tune your D string? Really taut, or really loose?

Mm. That would produce very nice fret buzz.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #202 on: 01 Jun 2009, 17:01 »

Question: For alternate tunings that require strings to be raised a lot higher or lower than there normal pitch, what do you do? Is there a special way to de-tune or tune-up strings to drastically different pitches without beaking them, or do you replace them with thicker or thinner strings?
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #203 on: 01 Jun 2009, 17:10 »

For drastically lower, I keep the original string, as I like a bit of fret buzz, to be honest. I have songs where the low E string is tuned down to B or even A.

As for higher...the most I trust a string is a step and a half, and that's a bit much. After that I'd try swapping it in for a higher string (that is, replace an A string with a D) and tuning it how you need, instead.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #204 on: 01 Jun 2009, 17:12 »

done collecting guitars.

that's not how it works

I want to have at least one year where I am fully, completely content with my life. If that means fooling myself, so be it.

I still want that fucking pine Tele.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #205 on: 01 Jun 2009, 18:11 »

Which way do you tune your D string? Really taut, or really loose?

Mm. That would produce very nice fret buzz.

Really taut. I always cringe when I'm tuning it up, it feels like it's on the verge of snapping every time.
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« Reply #206 on: 01 Jun 2009, 20:00 »

That's the point where I'd stick another G-string on in place of the D-string, if I could be bothered.

I've got one tuning I use for a few covers (Suite: Judy Blue Eyes and Paint it, Black, notably) which is E E E E B E . . . and I tune the D string DOWN to E...
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #207 on: 02 Jun 2009, 09:49 »

I have actually tuned my RG7321 up a step. It works really well, with a 9-54 D'addario set.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #208 on: 02 Jun 2009, 17:04 »

You know, I am pretty upset. I had to shim my Jag's neck today, and I'll be goddamned if I can't read the date stamp on the body. The neck stamp says FEB 6-7 07, and the body one says JAN(illegible)07, so I'm guessing that my body was made in January, but another thing I also saw on the neck was a big dark stamp that said "Valtierra."

I don't know what the hell it is supposed to mean but I googled it and didn't find anything so I emailed Fender about it. My suspicion is that the sack of shit who sold me the thing did an even shit-sackier thing and gave me a bogus neck.

If that's the case I am kicking him in the dick.
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« Reply #209 on: 03 Jun 2009, 00:27 »

If that's the case I am kicking him in the dick.

thats the first time I've heard that phrase... when it wasnt being muttered... by a woman... to her friend... about me.

anyhoo. i need more guitar porn, for uh... "research..."

i do so love seeing pic's of all you's guy'ses guitar kit.... :-D

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« Reply #210 on: 03 Jun 2009, 00:36 »

There's no way you've already read through 92 pages. Try harder!
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« Reply #211 on: 03 Jun 2009, 02:04 »

There's no way you've already read through 92 pages. Try harder!
read? READ????

WELL ONE, I have been here a while...

and two... I didnt read 92 pages, I looked for interesting pics in 92 pages, then read the discussions around the ones i liked... so in truth, I've looked at all 92 pages, but read maybe 30!

...I might not be the sharpest tool in the shed... but at least I'm a tool. :-(
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #212 on: 05 Jun 2009, 10:34 »

anyhoo. i need more guitar porn, for uh... "research..."

i do so love seeing pic's of all you's guy'ses guitar kit.... :-D

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Think I can help you with that. First summer project down. Body is from about an 83' Kramer Focus 3000, the bridge is a Gotoh Floyd (Ibanez Edge, essentially), the neck is a Mighty Mite Licensed Fender, the bridge pickup is a Dimarzio Super Distortion and the neck pickup is a PAF copy.



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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #213 on: 05 Jun 2009, 13:47 »

That thing is Epic, reverse headstocks on strats look so good. How much did the parts cost?
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« Reply #214 on: 05 Jun 2009, 13:58 »

seriously! I'm not a big fender fan, but that things all sorts of goodness!
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #215 on: 05 Jun 2009, 19:30 »

Guys I think the hollowbody whores in this here thread have all overlooked a pretty incredible axe:



I am selling my fake Les Paul to a friend to finance this. The tuners have got to go since the gear ratio is a bit too close for my tastes, but holy shit. I played this in a guitar shop today and after about 10 minutes I told the guy to hold onto it for me.

The finish on the one I played today was significantly more tasteful in appearance (as was the flame maple, which was much more subtle), this photo does not do it justice by any stretch.
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« Reply #216 on: 05 Jun 2009, 20:59 »

That thing is Epic, reverse headstocks on strats look so good. How much did the parts cost?

Let's see,
Neck $100
Body $30
Bridge $170
Tuners $40
Pickups $110
Misc Parts $50

Total = approx $500

This project was in, let's say, in production for about a year, so most of the parts were spread out over time. I'm most impressed by both the body and pickups. The neck pickup was actually a bridge one i had intended to use on another guitar and never did, so it's got ALOT more output than a regular neck PAF. Both of them thus have an OBSCENE amount of balls, but still get good tone. The body, like all of the Focus series Kramers from the 80's was made by ESP in Japan, so I basically got a top shelf body, for $30. I like the neck, more than I expected, but I still like the feel of the late 80's Kramer "pointy" neck on my other Kramer/Fender hybrid a little better. Their profiles are actually really similar, with the Kramer being thinner and wider at the nut, but both being about the same at the heel end, it's just SOO damn hard to get them with maple boards. I'm thinking of nicknaming them the "devil' and "angel" since it seems fitting, considering their looks.



^What brand guitar is that? Looks like an Ebony board. More and more companies have started using it again, which, frankly makes PRS's bullheadedness against using it in ANY of their guitars look ridiculous.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #217 on: 05 Jun 2009, 22:10 »

Gorgeous fucking 335-style guitar.

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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #218 on: 06 Jun 2009, 05:18 »

Patrick, aren't you already buying Pat's 345 clone?
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« Reply #219 on: 06 Jun 2009, 05:47 »


Gorgeous fucking 335-style guitar.

What is it. Not a fan of any flamey tops m'self- but just curious in general.
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« Reply #220 on: 06 Jun 2009, 07:24 »

That, sir, is a Peavey. Under US$300. I'm actually paying 240 euros for it. I don't know how I get so lucky when it comes to cheap guitars like that.

Shane, I'm selling my fake Les Paul to buy it. I'm still getting that 345 clone. But holy fuckbat, to have a semi- AND a hollowbody?
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« Reply #221 on: 06 Jun 2009, 08:02 »

Dude, seriously. All you need now is a Deluxe Reverb and you have the cleanest cleans you will ever hear.

Maybe if we ever move in together, we should go halfsies on a Silverface DR.


Guys, I'm really GASing for an acoustic right now. I will get one this summer at some point. That Fender Tim Armstrong signature acou/electric is great, but Epiphone's now come out with their version of Gibson's Hummingbird Artist model. I think it looks rad as fuck, how awesome do Hummingbirds sound (awesome), and it's $2,000 cheaper than the Gibson ($300).

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« Reply #222 on: 06 Jun 2009, 08:29 »

No chance, man, I don't ever want a vintage amp because I would play it loud and probably blow the speakers and you know how I am about preserving vintage gear.
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« Reply #223 on: 06 Jun 2009, 08:32 »

Dog, it's 22 watts. Shit gets pretty loud? Do you not remember the story about the guy in the store? "IS LOUD, KEEP IT UNDER 4. UNDER 4, OKAY?!?!"
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #224 on: 06 Jun 2009, 08:58 »

The killer for that: no effects loop. It's why I want that 60w Blues DeVille 4x10. Built-in, footswitchable spring reverb and 2 footswitchable channels, with a 'bright' switch for the clean channel (not like I'd ever need a 'bright' switch when I have a damn Jaguar, which doesn't even need the bright switch that it has). The 4 speakers will give me the volume, the high wattage will give me enough clean headroom that I will probably never need a bigger amp.

I mean seriously, if you've got a venue big enough to make 60 watts of tube amp sound quiet, the place shouldn't even be open unless it's got a PA.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #225 on: 06 Jun 2009, 09:47 »

That, sir, is a Peavey.

For the record, I own (and have owned) a metric shit ton of guitars and my absolute favorite one of all is a used Peavey my wife bought me on a whim.  Absolutely love it, and am thinking about buying more. 
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« Reply #226 on: 06 Jun 2009, 09:52 »

The killer for that: no effects loop. It's why I want that 60w Blues DeVille 4x10. Built-in, footswitchable spring reverb and 2 footswitchable channels, with a 'bright' switch for the clean channel (not like I'd ever need a 'bright' switch when I have a damn Jaguar, which doesn't even need the bright switch that it has).

The drive channel is pretty much useless those amps, though.  The distortion is pretty "meh," unless you can put some kind of EQ or Sonic Maximizer pedal in front of it.  The clean channel is fantastic, though.  Bright and punchy.  It sounds great with a dirt box, too.
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« Reply #227 on: 06 Jun 2009, 17:25 »

Hm, if the dirt channel sounds like a louder version of the Blues Deluxe's dirt channel, I actually really love that sound. I am rarely into super-saturated distortion, I've really got little use for it. It's like the word "shitcunt". Sure, you could use it all the time, but after a while, people's ears get used to it. I only use it when I am really, REALLY pissed.

Edit for clarity: I only use DISTORTION if I am really pissed. I say "shitcunt" all the time.
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« Reply #228 on: 06 Jun 2009, 18:12 »

I have the Hotrod DeVille 410, and if you want a distorted driven tone you are going to need a pedal(s).  But, I don't play metal so it's all good.  If I did I wouldn't have bought it.  Also, the clean channel with reverb is tits on ice cream.
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« Reply #229 on: 06 Jun 2009, 20:42 »

That, sir, is a Peavey.

For the record, I own (and have owned) a metric shit ton of guitars and my absolute favorite one of all is a used Peavey my wife bought me on a whim.  Absolutely love it, and am thinking about buying more. 

Peavey's are awesome deals. Seriously where else can you find an American made guitar for under $200? I own a few Peaveys and, with the exception of the Vandenberg (which I would consider a collectible) I never paid over $175 for any of them. The one glaring weakness that I found in them, though, was how astoundingly bad the pickups where. But, big flippin' deal, I paid $150, buy some new pickups and you still have something that will kick the ever living crap out of any Korean guitar out there, for less money.
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« Reply #230 on: 07 Jun 2009, 08:42 »

Uh the sticker on this one said "Made In China"
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« Reply #231 on: 07 Jun 2009, 09:05 »

I have the Hotrod DeVille 410, and if you want a distorted driven tone you are going to need a pedal(s).  But, I don't play metal so it's all good.  If I did I wouldn't have bought it.  Also, the clean channel with reverb is tits on ice cream.

Yeah, this is exactly what I tried to say.  I'm sure you can get the drive channels to sound nice with some tinkering.
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« Reply #232 on: 07 Jun 2009, 18:56 »

OH SHIT BITCHES

[img width= height=]http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/telefinished.jpg[/img]

Should have it soon. Will post more pixxx and sound clips.
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« Reply #233 on: 07 Jun 2009, 19:07 »

Hol-ee shit!

Check out those scissors! What brand do you think they are, I haven't seen scissor craftsmanship that good since my days as a ISQIA (International Scissor Quality Inspection Agent). Ohhhh man I can only imagine what the blades must be like  :-o
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« Reply #234 on: 07 Jun 2009, 19:17 »

I want a Tele. =(
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« Reply #235 on: 07 Jun 2009, 21:21 »

I am pretty much for sure getting a Fender Champ 600!  I m trading my friend a college bicycle for it.  I've actually been playing it for a while because he left it at my house; Dano + Boss Super Overdrive + Low Gain plugin= pure sex.
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« Reply #236 on: 07 Jun 2009, 21:29 »

Wow, that is one nice looking tele.  I am actually really curious as to how that middle setting sounds.  How much did that sucker set you back if I may ask?
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« Reply #237 on: 08 Jun 2009, 00:59 »

that is how youdo guitar porn... right there!
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« Reply #238 on: 08 Jun 2009, 03:54 »

Damn, Jeph.  What a sexy gee-tar.  I couldn't figure out what was weird looking about that tele (other than that the pickup configuration doesn't exist in nature) and then I realized that the electronics are set up backwards with the blade away from your hand.  Brilliant. I hate hitting that fucker on my tele and suddenly wondering where the bass in my tone went. 

Also,  I love minihumbuckers in the neck of teles (or any guitar really).  I haven't tried a humbucker in the bridge, mostly because I hate the look of '72s, but I would imagine it solves the problem that most teles suffer from of having a tinny sounding useless bridge pickup .  I know, I know- that's supposed to be the tele "spank," but gawd I hate it. 

Good deal.  I hope you enjoy it!
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« Reply #239 on: 08 Jun 2009, 07:28 »

Fuck you, Jeph. Fuck you SO HARD for having a guitar that I want, even though it is not actually there yet.
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« Reply #240 on: 08 Jun 2009, 08:50 »

I just recently got a job so as soon as I've got $1600 saved up I am getting a fucking '52 Tele and that is that god dammit.
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« Reply #241 on: 08 Jun 2009, 09:10 »

That is a purty ole barn door, yessir. What is the bridge?
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« Reply #242 on: 08 Jun 2009, 09:38 »

It would appear to be a reg'lur ol' three-saddle Telecaster bridge, sir.
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« Reply #243 on: 08 Jun 2009, 17:10 »

Damn, Jeph.  What a sexy gee-tar.  I couldn't figure out what was weird looking about that tele (other than that the pickup configuration doesn't exist in nature) and then I realized that the electronics are set up backwards with the blade away from your hand.  Brilliant. I hate hitting that fucker on my tele and suddenly wondering where the bass in my tone went.

Yeah, it's one of my favorite little tricks that Creston does. WAY more useful, especially if you use your volume knob a lot.

The pickups are Lollars, which from everything I've read are essentially the best around. The bridge is a vintage-style Tele bridge, with old-skool brass saddles, and it's a toploader because Creston hates how most string-through-body guitars play and I do too.

I might have it by the end of the week  :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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« Reply #244 on: 08 Jun 2009, 19:48 »

I hate string thru guitars

why? might I ask? I'm looking at one (a schecter) right now... thats why i ask.
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« Reply #245 on: 09 Jun 2009, 03:36 »

They tend to have really stiff action and are often not as stable tuning-wise because of the high tension of the strings behind the bridge saddles. This is the same reason you shouldn't drop the stop-tail too far below the bridge itself on Gibson guitars (particularly Les Pauls, because the carved top means you can make an even sharper angle than on an SG/Flying V/etc.)

Besides, the only real reason you'd want string-through body is for "snap" and "sustain," and you get more of both of those via the guitar's scale length, wood composition, and pickups than you do from how tightly the strings are bent over the bridge.

Finally: the reason a lot of Korean and Chinese made guitars (like most Schecters, LTDs, cheaper Ibanezes, etc.) have string-through body bridges is that running the strings through the body into ferrules is cheaper than installing a proper gibson style tailpiece. It has nothing to do with tone or playability and everything to do with saving 75 cents' worth of metal.
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« Reply #246 on: 09 Jun 2009, 08:51 »

I'm toying with the Idea of swapping out the bridge on my tele. Its a mexican standard and its only a year or two old ( I bought it new last summer, never checked the manufacturing date), so its got the "modern" style bridge with six saddles. Would buying a wilkinson compensated bridge and using it as a top-laoder make that big of a difference in tone and/or sustain, and if not, would buying a six-saddle "vintage" style make a difference?
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« Reply #247 on: 09 Jun 2009, 10:29 »

Besides, the only real reason you'd want string-through body is for "snap" and "sustain," and you get more of both of those via the guitar's scale length, wood composition, and pickups than you do from how tightly the strings are bent over the bridge.

Gotta beg to differ here, just on principle. The energy being transferred into your bridge is directly translated into energy being transferred into the wood of the body, and that directly affects how much sustain you're gonna get. And if you've got a disgustingly obtuse break angle, you're not gonna get much. That only really applies to Jag players like me, though. Once you get an angle steeper than 170 degrees (well, hey-o, would you look at that, that's every other guitar design ever), you're absolutely right.

Although top-loading bridges are such a pain in the ass to re-string (at least in my experience), I don't know how you'll stand it.
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Re: Re: The Guitar Topic - B
« Reply #248 on: 09 Jun 2009, 12:24 »

I'm toying with the Idea of swapping out the bridge on my tele. Its a mexican standard and its only a year or two old ( I bought it new last summer, never checked the manufacturing date), so its got the "modern" style bridge with six saddles. Would buying a wilkinson compensated bridge and using it as a top-laoder make that big of a difference in tone and/or sustain, and if not, would buying a six-saddle "vintage" style make a difference?

If anything, the Wilkinson should IMPROVE the tone, but unless you're planning on putting a different kind of pickup in the bridge, why bother changing it? Tele bridges are made to house Tele pickups.

If you want to improve the tone of your guitar, swap out the shitty mexican pickups for some decent Seymour Duncans before you go messing about with the bridge.
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« Reply #249 on: 09 Jun 2009, 12:28 »

Besides, the only real reason you'd want string-through body is for "snap" and "sustain," and you get more of both of those via the guitar's scale length, wood composition, and pickups than you do from how tightly the strings are bent over the bridge.

Gotta beg to differ here, just on principle. The energy being transferred into your bridge is directly translated into energy being transferred into the wood of the body, and that directly affects how much sustain you're gonna get. And if you've got a disgustingly obtuse break angle, you're not gonna get much. That only really applies to Jag players like me, though. Once you get an angle steeper than 170 degrees (well, hey-o, would you look at that, that's every other guitar design ever), you're absolutely right.

Although top-loading bridges are such a pain in the ass to re-string (at least in my experience), I don't know how you'll stand it.

I own a guitar with a Floyd Rose. Everything is less of a pain in the ass than that.

If you want an ULTIMATE GUITAR NIGHTMARE, try re-intonating a Floyd Rose. There is literally no way to adjust the bridge saddles while they have strings on them. So you take the string off, make an adjustment, put the string back on (and remember this requires tightening and untightening at least a couple hex heads as well as the tuning pegs), check the tuning, repeat 1000x until you either guess right or get frustrated and give up. Oh and by adjusting the string length you're ALSO messing with the stability of the trem springs, so you also have to adjust THOSE, which is MORE trial and error.
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