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The Dressing Montage!

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This bar has DARTS!

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#2 cause of facial piercings - #1 is booze itself.

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"IF YOU ARE DRUNK WE WILL NOT PIERCE YOU" signs all over town.

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They WILL let you BOOK AN APPOINTMENT. And not waste your deposit...

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Marten's responsible for no shameful piercings... "I'll need a $60 deposit first."

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Claire enters the bar! "'Sup Red, pull up a stool."

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It's bolted to the floor! (So they can't be used as weapons.)

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I LOVE THIS BAR!

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Old books and huge dust plumes? IT IS MY GREATEST LIBRARY ANXIETY

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"That's not what your wife told me when she was here this morning!"

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A Jukebox that has Derek and the Dominos and Einstuerzende Neubauten?

1 (1.8%)

Two different crowds or a sign of violent schizophrenia.

1 (1.8%)

I win! You gotta give me a piggyback ride! (Aw man.)

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Faye wasn't so sure about Claire at first, but she's okay in her book.

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So how long have you had a crush on Marty?

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Claire has a sudden drinking problem.

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Total Members Voted: 49

[sitnspin]

Mass is the best place I have lived so far. The laws related to equality are pretty awesome, at least by the standards of the USA.

[TheEvilDog]

Am I the only one who feels like we are being trolled really hard?

I doubt it, Jeph isn't really the kind of writer who sets up a story like this and not have some sort of dramatic pay off. Considering as well that Dora is cutting Sven out of her life, which as I understand it, is just a step below completely disowning him and Angus going for the most important interview in his life (so far), there's just too many people in this who could get hurt to end up with a Pintsize gag at the end.

Jeph tends to go for the slow pay-off with these stories, even the lighter stories (like Hanners' dad's birthday). But this is certainly gearing up to be a major storyline and it most certainly feels like something is going to change.

[jwhouk]

I can speak from experience* that the easiest part would be to change the gender on your driver's license.


* - Cousin. Jenny growing up; now Jesse. He didn't change it too much.

[ConmanTheBarbarian]

Ah, the balloons are done with fashion experimentation and have realized that black borders are timeless.

[Orkboy]

In any case someone contemplating a hate crime would have to get through The Pugnacious Peach first. If Momo shows up then the forces of evil would have no chance.

Faye now has a vigilante name.  We need to name everyone.

[Zebediah]

Mass is the best place I have lived so far. The laws related to equality are pretty awesome, at least by the standards of the USA.

I keep telling a schoolteacher friend of mine from North Carolina that she should move to Massachusetts. Not only would she be able to marry her partner, but we also pay our teachers a living wage.

[aphanisis81]

A quick moment of research reveals that it is pretty easy comparatively to get the gender marker on your ID changed in Massachusetts. All that is required is a letter from a medical professional that is treating you stating that you are the gender you identify as. Much easier than many other states which require proof of bottom surgery or just never allow it at all. So in all likelihood Claire's ID matches her gender.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start making plans to move to Massachusetts...

That's awesome. As someone who has unreasonable anxiety in the face of bureacratic or H.R.-intensive paperwork and red tape, I just imagined it would be tougher.

Man, I  love living in a non-shitty U.S. state.

[aphanisis81]

I am sorry, I did not mean it to come across as that. I meant that the implication was (I think) that he wouldn't do a "let's milk Claire's trans status for drama" story arc (then again, I may be misremembering).

No apology necessary, but thank you.

And true, but consider a few things:

-Jeph clearly stated that, when researching for Claire's backstory, he was horrified by the violence that trans people often face
-Clinton's pathological concern for Claire's safety has to have been a smoking gun of some kind.
-The gang is clearly at a townie bar outside of downtown, all of which in Northampton are like half roughneck/half hipster. The locals aren't always as friendly and welcoming and open-minded as that town as a whole takes pains to be.

To some extent (Claire' Ativan moment, her coming out to Marten and Emily in the first place) there's already been SOME drama about it.

If I had to guess I'd say they are at Hugo's which is still in Northampton proper.

Either Hugo's or Ye Olde Watering Hole. Or if this was taking place in 2004 or earlier, maybe Silent Cal's. I used to live in the apartments just above Ye Olde, and split my time between there and Hugo's equally. And yeah, they're both in NoHo proper, but those four blocks down from Main St. feel like a whole other world.

[notethreader]

So Claire is a recently-begun graduate student, right? And she started transitioning in college?

Well, it's a college town, so a 23-24 y/o is gonna get carded.

At what point, do you suppose, even in lib-ruhl Massachusetts, is a trans person able to change his or her gender designation on official government ID or other documents?

Claire gets carded, bartender makes some comment in front of everyone, involuntary outing?

My first thought was that Wil is the bartender and Claire's with Wil's friends, so no need to check ID. But Jeph's gone to great pains to show us that this is a different bar.

Could be a whole other kind of drama on its way.

I live in NY, which has pretty similar laws for changing your gender marker on your ID. I have friends in Mass, we compared. It only took me a couple months to do so, although most of that was because of my laziness. Really, it only took a couple weeks. I had to be on hormones for about 3 -4 months then my doctor gave me a letter which I took to the DMV and they changed it no problem.

[Somnus Eternus]

I want a montage with Steve trying out different cereals.

I would read the hell out of that.

[KOK]

A quick moment of research reveals that it is pretty easy comparatively to get the gender marker on your ID changed in Massachusetts. All that is required is a letter from a medical professional that is treating you stating that you are the gender you identify as. Much easier than many other states which require proof of bottom surgery or just never allow it at all. So in all likelihood Claire's ID matches her gender.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to start making plans to move to Massachusetts...

In Denmark the law has recently been changed. You can now get your legal gender changed without any modification to your anatomy.

[Is it cold in here?]

In any case someone contemplating a hate crime would have to get through The Pugnacious Peach first. If Momo shows up then the forces of evil would have no chance.

Faye now has a vigilante name.  We need to name everyone.

She's had it for a while. I think it was DSL who first came up with it?

[Kugai]

Nice place

[Method of Madness]

Wait, "Pugnacious Peach" was a forum invention?

[Carl-E]

I don't recall who came up with it, but I made this at the time:



So that puts it at the time of Marten's drunken pass / KO. 

Also, the search function came up empty, but maybe I was doing it wrong? 

[Zwammy]

I took her greeting to be full of nerves and directed more towards towards Marten

Same here - or towards Faye as well, since she walked in and saw only the two of them. Claire has always been a bit leery of Faye, and then there was the awkward moment of sharing a bed with Marten. I don't recall seeing these three alone in a drinking situation, and as was mentioned, the talk between her and Clinton brought up issues about feeling safe - so there are many layers to any feelings she is having, I'm sure.

[Is it cold in here?]

The earliest reference I found.

[Method of Madness]

Are you sure she's never called that in the comic?

[Zebediah]

This post seems to be the origin of the phrase. This reply supports that theory.

[TheEvilDog]

You know, giving a piggyback ride when you've lost a game is not nearly as fun as getting a piggyback ride when you've won a game.

Although crashing from a piggyback ride and cutting up your face because your both drunk is not a whole lot of fun either.

[Method of Madness]

Honestly I prefer giving piggyback rides to getting them.

[Rghfrgl]

If she lost would she have to give him a piggyback ride?

[Is it cold in here?]

My question exactly.

[Method of Madness]

They probably had different stakes.

[ankhtahr]

Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.

[TheEvilDog]

Honestly I prefer giving piggyback rides to getting them.

Yeah, but when you're one of the tallest people in a group, it gets kinda boring very quickly.

[Method of Madness]

(shrugs) I'm too tall and too heavy to go on someone's back.

[jwhouk]

Are we seeing an author avatar there with Tai?

[Method of Madness]

Is Jeph a fan of Blood Fukk?

[Akima]

Wait, "Pugnacious Peach" was a forum invention?

Yes, by DSL, on 12th January 2011, in the library, with a lead pipe.

What if Tai had lost? She must be stronger than she looks.

[Orkboy]

Okay, that was all before I joined, but the point is that they all need vigilante names now. 

[Indicible]

Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden
Ich warte

[ysth]

I would have thought it would be this, which I remember seeing in the news when it happened.

[Scarblac]

Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden
Ich warte

Neubauten's founder and singer Blixa Bargeld was also a legendary member of The Bad Seeds (Nick Cave's band) between 1984 and 2003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thHx7cdoaAc
Fragment of a Nick Cave interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOsmnd1p3M8
"Half the time he doesn't own a guitar.  Comes to tour with no guitar! Where's your guitar Blixa? Huh, don't know. I don't have it anymore. And he uses the support band's guitar. And... but... he can make the guitar sound like nothing you've heard before. He's brilliant, he's my hero."

[hedgie]

Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.

Do *not* taunt St. Blixa.  Das Bargeld is along with groups like Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, and SPK as one of the original rivet-head legends.

[neurocase]

Fun little montage, but I'm getting paranoid waiting for the other shoe to drop vis a vis "teh dramaz".

_{*eye twitch*}

[hedgie]

Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden
Ich warte

They have plenty of great tracks.  Haus der Lüge is a brilliant record, and other good tracks of theirs are Stella Maris and Was Ist Ist.  And the band name actually makes sense, considering that they have 3 records entitled "Strategien gegen Architektur".

On another note, the comic has too much potential adorable going on, since there are both Claire and Hanners in close proximity.

Edit:  Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac.  Neither is ß.

[ZoeB]

1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.

2. Re #2793 - I don't know if that was Jephzibar's intent, but if a guy gave me a pupils-dilated look like Marten gave Claire when she walked in, I'd go melty.

3. There were no stools to bolt down, but this place reminds me of the "Native Rose" pub next to Sydney Uni back in the 70s. Complete with dartboard.

[katsmeat]

It will happen to you, Clare, it will.

Though I believe the trick is to remove the dust with a soft brush, while clamping the book firmly shut to make sure no dust gets between the pages.

[GarandMarine]

1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.

Mustard is a condiment. Her shirt is yellow.

[cesium133]

I'd say it's more orange than yellow.

[KOK]

What dart game uses 8 darts?

And that shirt is orange. Not yellow. Not mustard-colored. Orange.

[ankhtahr]

Sorry to disappoint some of you:

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Mustard would have been a little more yellowish, with a slight tint in the direction of green.

Oh, and by the way, the name for Claire's eye colour is great:

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[KOK]

Curious.

[Barmymoo]

I just looked and my driving licence doesn't have a gender marker on it, other than my name (Miss May-restofname Surname) and I assume the title would change with the rest of the name. You can change your name, including title, unilaterally by simply creating a deed poll which is free to do, legally binding and an acceptable proof of name. One of the acceptable options for a title is Mx, which I have started to see used on forms which require you to pick a title

[TheCallMeFez]

Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.

Do *not* taunt St. Blixa.  Das Bargeld is along with groups like Throbbing Gristle, Laibach, and SPK as one of the original rivet-head legends.

Heh, Einstürzende Neubauten.

Einstürzende Neubauten (collapsing new buildings, for the non-German-speaking)?
Is it real? Where can I listen to it?

Update: well, it exists and it is as weird as I thought it would be.
The garden
Ich warte

They have plenty of great tracks.  Haus der Lüge is a brilliant record, and other good tracks of theirs are Stella Maris and Was Ist Ist.  And the band name actually makes sense, considering that they have 3 records entitled "Strategien gegen Architektur".

On another note, the comic has too much potential adorable going on, since there are both Claire and Hanners in close proximity.

Edit:  Also, Jeph, typing umlauts isn't that difficult on a Mac.  Neither is ß.

ER MER GERD! This is the first time I've had QC reference a random band that I like that is relatively unknown. Love these guys. I feel like I a truly a hipster now that QC has referenced one of my favorite bands.

Nagorny Karabach was my benchmark for learning German in college. As the semester progressed I could understand more and more of it. So good! <3 Jeph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd-6WweqD0Y

[Is it cold in here?]

First Marten/Faye banter and now a band reference? It's like Jeph is giving a present to people who miss the early days of QC.

[Shjade]

2. Re #2793 - I don't know if that was Jephzibar's intent, but if a guy gave me a pupils-dilated look like Marten gave Claire when she walked in, I'd go melty.

Comparing his eyes in that strip to the one in the strip before (where he's talking to Faye), I see no significant difference in pupil size. Dude just has massive pupils, apparently.

[Kugai]

'Scenes From a Bar'

[ysth]

1. That shirt isn't yellow, it's mustard. Even a sartorially challenged geekgirl like me knows that.

Mustard is a condiment. Her shirt is yellow.

Per the XKCD color survey:

mustard
dark mustard
light mustard
mustard green
mustard brown
mustard yellow