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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #50 on: 05 Jun 2015, 17:12 »

I'm going to try it on my netbook first. I need to see if it wrecks anything before I go updating my desktop. I kinda need it for work and all....
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #51 on: 30 Jul 2015, 02:19 »

So now it's here; I did my first upgrade to Windows 10 last night.  Nothing much to say yet, as I haven't done anything with it - but it worked.

However, a colleague had a bit of trouble.  This was, of course, reported meticulously by the Windows 10 installer with two successive messages:



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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #52 on: 30 Jul 2015, 03:28 »

Just spent the last hour and a half downloading and installing it. Minor issue towards the end, but a quick Reboot sorted that.  No issues so far.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #53 on: 30 Jul 2015, 03:57 »

Oh, the update from Windows 7. Scary.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #54 on: 30 Jul 2015, 04:03 »

Putting it off for a few days.

For my side job, I've been doing a lot of audio transcription from Microsoft's Worldwide Partner Conference.

I feel I now know a whole lot of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Well, signifying a little maybe.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #55 on: 30 Jul 2015, 05:38 »

Eh, I'm sticking with Windows 7, at least until the beta test is done.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #56 on: 30 Jul 2015, 06:00 »

I'm waiting to see if anyone reports problems with the new OS and for the first round of patches to come out. I may break out my notebook to upgrade and play around with it, but seeing as how I use this computer for work, and I can't work without it, I can't risk something bad happening because I upgraded.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #57 on: 02 Aug 2015, 12:44 »

I am living in the future.

WindowsX is now on both "active" computers in my house.

(Heh, I wonder if I could try it on that other laptop...)
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #58 on: 02 Aug 2015, 14:06 »

I have 3 laptops running Win7Pro, the home tower PC running Win7HomePremium, and a missing laptop running Win8.

and I've been hunting the damn laptop, so I can upgrade it to WinX.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #59 on: 02 Aug 2015, 15:49 »

Finally got my tablet onto it.

It's nice, it's even faster than Win8 on this (very constrained) hardware.

Modern UI applications (aka Metro applications) are rendered a bit smaller, presumably to work around the fact that Windows 10 runs on 600 px tall screens, versus the 768 px minimum of Win8 (there were 1024x600 Win8 devices, but they used display driver trickery to emulate a higher density). They also aren't getting out of the way of the on-screen keyboard properly, annoyingly. Win32 apps don't get out of the way of the on-screen keyboard at all. Universal apps, however, behave properly.

Otherwise, it's really nice, and Win32 applications playing nicely in the (easy to run applications side-by-side) Tablet Mode (other than the aforementioned keyboard issue) makes a world of difference - in fact, I'll be running Tablet Mode all the time on this machine, even when I use a bluetooth keyboard+TrackPoint with it (which is most of the time).

Oh, and my annoyance about the keyboard not having PgUp and PgDn is still intact. :(
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #60 on: 02 Aug 2015, 20:12 »

All windows versions have new features and I think all we need is get use to it.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #61 on: 02 Aug 2015, 20:19 »

Few minor issues, but that may have been me setting a few things up, but so far I have had no real issues with it.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #62 on: 03 Aug 2015, 01:21 »

I've already decided to wait a few months so that the first tranche of major stability and bug-fix updates is past.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #63 on: 03 Aug 2015, 08:53 »

I've already decided to wait a few months so that the first tranche of major stability and bug-fix updates is past.

Yeah me too, I tried to create an ISO and a bootable USB stick with the Media creator, but it just gave me that incredibly informative "Something Happened" error.  If they cant do something as basic as ensuring their installer and media creator work properly on international versions of Windows, I don't have much hope for Windows 10.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #64 on: 03 Aug 2015, 18:22 »

My nightmare was over an older update of Windows 7. KB3022345 caused a corruption of two .json files that couldn't be fixed in the system file checker - which resulted in the "blinking desktop" that nearly caused me to lose all my hair this weekend.  :psyduck:

Fortunately, I got the files fixed, deleted the updates that caused the problem, backed up my old Win7 environment as a "clone" onto my external HD, and dove head-first into the Win10 upgrade experience.

I think I let out a yell of joy loud enough to be heard in Redmond when my desktop showed up. :)

Lot of little annoyances and naggings - but most of them are because I'm still so old skool: I've gotten used to keyboard shortcuts, so imagine my surprise that ALT+F+N+F no longer created a new folder, but CTRL+SHIFT+N did.

I'm also not really liking the white toolbar/address bars in Win10, but I'm figuring some enterprising person is going to figure out how to alter those pretty soon.

Basically, just finding where things are, playing a bit with the Start bar, getting myself comfy with the new interface. Nothing completely new, of course; I've gone through so many OS'es in my life, I think even Mr. Hodges would be impressed.

...well, maybe. ;)
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #65 on: 04 Aug 2015, 03:23 »

Regarding Edge, the forums are somewhat broken. Posting results in 500 errors and the formatting buttons in reply view have no effect.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #67 on: 04 Aug 2015, 03:31 »

Yeah, but that's not Windows - that's a problem between the source QC server and the CloudFlare distributed web cache.  It's become a (somewhat minor, but still irritating) problem since the forum went https (and there are other symptoms which I can see as an admin), but I haven't found a way yet to identify any area which could be addressed to fix it.  It is frequently in my mind, though.

However, if Edge is showing a distinct increase in these errors, then this could be a valuable diagnostic hint (I have an idea that timing in TCP handshakes is part of it) - I will certainly try it for myself and follow it up.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #68 on: 04 Aug 2015, 03:37 »

It has increased the occurrence somewhat. Posting the above screenshot threw no error for example. But the problem with the formatting buttons is brand new.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #69 on: 04 Aug 2015, 04:02 »

OK - thanks for the report.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #70 on: 04 Aug 2015, 05:42 »

I haven't seen any 500 errors recently myself, on any browser. Generally I'm using Firefox on OS X on a 30/5 connection at home, Chrome on Android on LTE when mobile, and when I'm at work, I use my tablet on a 1.5/768k connection, formerly with Modern IE11 on Win8.1 Update, now Edge on Win10.

I can confirm that the formatting buttons and smilies don't work on Edge, though.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #71 on: 04 Aug 2015, 06:14 »

Ah, so that's a real code incompatibility that I could look into.  I can't try until this evening, as I don't have a Windows 10/Edge available at work yet (VM here I come?  Actually, we don't have our university enterprise version yet, so I don't have a spare code to install with).  I can check with the SMF forums, as presumably this is not unique to us.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #72 on: 04 Aug 2015, 13:07 »

Feel like your bandwidth is down after the Windows 10 upgrade? That's because your operating system is torrenting updates with other users to "help people get windows with unreliable internet connections". The unexpected downside of this is that my bandwidth TANKED.

Do this immediately if the same happened to you:

Sadly, Windows 10 Is Stealing Your Bandwidth 'By Default' Disable It Immediately

It worked wonders for me.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #73 on: 04 Aug 2015, 13:36 »

Fuckssake, not a day goes by without another feature of Windows 10 popping up that needs to be disabled.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #74 on: 04 Aug 2015, 16:03 »

Thanks for that Masterpiece, just did that.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #75 on: 04 Aug 2015, 16:21 »

Thanks for the reminder about that one. The connection I'm most worried about that, I set to Metered anyway, but I changed the setting to make sure it didn't affect things.

I also didn't shut the feature all the way off, just set it to stay on the same LAN.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #76 on: 04 Aug 2015, 17:27 »

I've decided to take the plunge. What I heard from friends was to take the update if you have 8 but not to if you have 7. So I'm trying it. In the absolute worse case scenario, I'm walking distance away from the campus library now
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #77 on: 04 Aug 2015, 17:53 »

I'm working on taking the plunge on my Mac. This basically consists of upgrading the Boot Camp partition to 10 to get the license, then blowing everything away, maybe installing a minimal OS X that I can boot into when it wants a firmware update, then installing Windows 10 for real.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #78 on: 04 Aug 2015, 18:10 »

Update on the update torrenting: my bandwidth is still shit. Will update soon.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #79 on: 04 Aug 2015, 18:25 »

Relatively painless, I am noticing the bandwith issue somewhat even after changing that setting. So far the only other issue is that I can't seem to change my lock screen picture.
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« Reply #80 on: 04 Aug 2015, 18:42 »

Update on ditching OS X for Win10: Something Happened, installed from USB, Something stopped Happening, Win10 installed painlessly, now installing OS X to an SD card so I can purge it from this machine, and just boot into that SD card when firmware updates are released.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #81 on: 04 Aug 2015, 19:02 »

Having Cortana is nice, although I imagine its more useful on Windows Phone. Google Now on my phone has very little functionality in comparison to actual 'personal assistants' like Siri or Cortana.
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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #82 on: 04 Aug 2015, 19:47 »

Cortana always berates me for being late.

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Re: The future of MS Windows
« Reply #83 on: 06 Aug 2015, 06:14 »

OK, I confirm that I can see the problem with formatting buttons and smileys, but the answer has not yet jumped out at me.  I have also found a report of this on the forums of the SMF forum software, but no diagnosis has been proposed there yet.

This is a general SMF issue, and I have confirmed that it is the same in another forum of which I am admin.

I've tried all the developer flags, starting with those relating to Javascript, but to no effect.
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« Reply #84 on: 08 Aug 2015, 16:58 »

For the record, I get those 500 errors using IE at work constantly but never at home on Chrome. Work's internet is so fucking spotty I assumed it was their problem and never mentioned it.
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« Reply #85 on: 08 Aug 2015, 20:00 »

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« Reply #86 on: 09 Aug 2015, 15:19 »

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« Reply #87 on: 10 Aug 2015, 02:43 »

I pity people still using Ayeeeeeee

I have no choice, because I'm at work  :psyduck:
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« Reply #88 on: 10 Aug 2015, 06:25 »

I pity people still using Ayeeeeeee

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« Reply #90 on: 10 Aug 2015, 18:44 »

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« Reply #91 on: 11 Aug 2015, 00:51 »

Kugai, that may be my favourite post in forum history.
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« Reply #92 on: 12 Aug 2015, 15:48 »

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« Reply #93 on: 21 Aug 2015, 17:22 »

You know, most of the news coming out on Windows 10, the privacy issues, the forced updates, using your bandwidth, removing old features, it's all irksome but somewhat justifiable, from Microsoft's perspective. But why in the nine hells would they keep the content of Windows patches a secret?
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« Reply #94 on: 21 Aug 2015, 22:25 »

Almost wants to make you switch to Mac
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« Reply #95 on: 22 Aug 2015, 01:14 »

Yeah, at this point, if my next computer isn't running Linux, it'll be a hackintosh.
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« Reply #96 on: 23 Aug 2015, 02:44 »

Almost wants to make you switch to Mac

Have you ever tried getting information out of Apple?  Apple refuse to tell corporate clients (like the university I work for) what their policy is on support of version of their OS prior to the current one - possibly because they don't actually have one, but certainly for plausible deniability in case of issues.  They also consistently refuse to acknowledge well-known issues until they have a solution, however long that takes (and sometimes not even then).

And yes, to declare my bias, I support both PCs and Macs, and run both at home.
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« Reply #98 on: 31 Aug 2015, 18:02 »

fuck it.

bricked my newest laptop with WinX.

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« Reply #99 on: 31 Aug 2015, 23:00 »

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