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Author Topic: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)  (Read 130983 times)

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3100 on: 28 Dec 2016, 08:17 »

That's the thing: A huge part of Willis's fanbase was acquired during the long run of It's Walky and its parallel sequels, Joyce and Walky and Shortpacked!. Most of the fans assumptions for the characters come from the Walkyverse, so they will expect them to behave as they did towards the end of J&W and S! and it surprises and even dismays them when this doesn't happen.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3101 on: 28 Dec 2016, 08:33 »

DoA's been around for what, six years, though? How do people not realize that this is a completely different comic with completely different characters that just happen to be named after and sorta look like those ones?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3102 on: 28 Dec 2016, 08:58 »

Willis has said that they're the same characters IIRC, but raised in an environment where there aren't
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3103 on: 28 Dec 2016, 09:02 »

Interesting. I honestly couldn't get into the Walkyverse (I read a few years into It's Walky and the one that came before it but whose name I forgot).

Also, if they were raised in a different environment, then they aren't really the same characters.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3104 on: 28 Dec 2016, 09:13 »

Think of DoA as a "what if these characters didn't have those things in their world" reboot of the Walkyverse.

There's still a lot of innate nature shared between the Walkyverse and DoAverse incarnations of the characters. And, as they've still got the same parents IIRC, there's still going to be a lot of shared nurture between them, too.

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3105 on: 28 Dec 2016, 09:15 »

They aren't completely different people though either. They are not carbon copies though, but they do share a majority of personality traits and interests across the settings.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3106 on: 28 Dec 2016, 10:38 »

Maybe they're less similar than Willis has let on. It's not likely, but it's apparently possible if this arc is any indication.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3107 on: 28 Dec 2016, 11:33 »

So far I'm not seeing anything that is too far away from characterization of other versions of these characters. At this point Leslie has taken a picture, that's it. Obviously it's not 'souvenir of a good time' material here. But we haven't seen what she plans or will do with it yet.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3108 on: 28 Dec 2016, 12:32 »

Just how similar or how much of a divergence from the previous comics this will wind up being will be interesting to see.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3109 on: 28 Dec 2016, 22:54 »

I am proud of Leslie. That was a hard choice, but it was the right one.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3110 on: 28 Dec 2016, 23:49 »

Yeah, I kind of thought that Leslie wouldn’t be able to do it; it’s just not in her nature to do something like that.

You know what else is entirely in-character? Robin’s whole story from beginning to end as well as her attitude towards Leslie and the whole situation. Sometimes, I don’t know if she’s charmingly and innocently simple or if she’s just a complete sociopath. She literally seems to have no clue and little interest in how her whims affect anyone else.

That said, I can't help but think that it’s kind of sweet that she sort of followed Leslie home like a lost puppy that had been shown affection for the first time in its life and curled up on her bed because it looked 'comfy' (read: reassuring and safe). I wonder what the ‘thing’ was? Is Leslie’s landlord a DeSanto voter? I kid you not; I can actually hear him saying something like: "It was a direct order from a congresswoman! I mean, aren't you supposed to do what they say? Isn't that in the Constitution somewhere?"

That said, I think it's more likely that Robin just told a direct lie like: "I'm Leslie's new girlfriend and I forgot my key." It seems that this Robin, like her DoA counterpart, doesn’t respect or even fully comprehend anyone’s boundaries. I really am starting to wonder if Robin has some kind of sociopathic behaviour disorder. In essence, if she wants something, she will do whatever it takes to get it and basically view the other party as being defective in some way for wanting to deny it to her because she cannot see any reason why they should do so.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3111 on: 29 Dec 2016, 05:06 »

Does Leslie's door not have a chain? Holy shit.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3112 on: 29 Dec 2016, 07:21 »

You know what else is entirely in-character? Robin’s whole story from beginning to end as well as her attitude towards Leslie and the whole situation. Sometimes, I don’t know if she’s charmingly and innocently simple or if she’s just a complete sociopath. She literally seems to have no clue and little interest in how her whims affect anyone else.

Why can't it be both? Though honestly I don't find her charming at all. And I really have to wonder how she became a congresswoman if she's as simple minded as she seems to be. Her behavior goes on to long and at all the wrong times for me to think it's just an act. She really doesn't understand people or what motivates them. And she only cares about what she wants. She can barely muster enough effort to put on an act when it's in her best interest, and drops the act as soon as it's not immediately effective.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3113 on: 29 Dec 2016, 07:50 »

Most democracies have the concept of a 'safe seat' where the party machine will install a reliable person so that a completely mindless and loyal vote in the House for that constituency can be guaranteed (knowing that their majority is so great and loyal that a cabbage would probably win the election). Maybe that is how it was for Robin. Recognising a woman so determined to have a position of ease at the top of the pile, lacking the intelligence to get it on merit but quite willing to be a mindless drone for whoever can guarantee her the things she wants, the party machine parachuted Ms DeSanto into what was previously a safe red seat.

I say 'was' because Robin's performance has been so uninspiring and her record in office so empty of achievement (to the point where the size of her breasts are practically the only positive that she can come up with to campaign with) that it looks like the people of Bloomington are willing to vote Democrat to eject her. I suspect that they want to have someone representing them in Congress who will represent them or at least do something other than parrot whatever her political handlers tell her to say and vote whatever way the party leadership tells her to vote.

Naturally, poor Robin doesn't get what she's done wrong... again.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3114 on: 30 Dec 2016, 13:56 »

I think it's safe to say that Leslie deleted that Selfie at the right moment.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3115 on: 30 Dec 2016, 22:34 »

Once again I want to punch Mary in the face. Not only is she a cruel, spiteful hypocrite, she's also full of crap. "I knew". What a load of bollocks.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3116 on: 30 Dec 2016, 22:51 »

Ahhh, but it would appear that there is someone in the Dorm that has her number and doesn't even have to speak to shut her down.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3117 on: 31 Dec 2016, 02:34 »

Once again I want to punch Mary in the face. Not only is she a cruel, spiteful hypocrite, she's also full of crap. "I knew". What a load of bollocks.
To be fair, that actually is a callback to speculation she made earlier in the comic (based purely on Robin being 30 and unmarried, so the speculation was made using incredibly sexist American "Christian" logic, but...)
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3118 on: 01 Jan 2017, 12:27 »

And most likly why it'll actually be Dorothy who winds up as R.A. rather than her.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3119 on: 02 Jan 2017, 14:25 »

And thus the argument comes full circle.

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3120 on: 02 Jan 2017, 18:37 »

The thing about Dorothy or Roz becoming RA is it's not an election or popularity contest. Being liked is one of the least important qualifications. After all, Ruth had the job before them. But going to the residents and getting them on your side is going to mean something between very little and nothing. It's the Resident Manager they need to talk to.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3121 on: 02 Jan 2017, 18:46 »

For someone who doesn't make tenured professor money, she tosses an expensive phone pretty casually. (It's not hers, but still)
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3122 on: 02 Jan 2017, 23:25 »

Robin, for someone not interested in having a lesbian relationship, you're reacting pretty strongly to your own double-entendres! Seriously though, I think that we're going to all be surprised to see Leslie[ restraining Robin and telling her to go slow rather than react to her desires and regret later.

You see, as funny as it was watching Becky running around shouting out "Hey! Guess what? I'm a lesbian!", I don't think that it would work so well for Robin.

That aside, I'm really worried about the occupants of those cars. Whoever they are, they're likely trouble for this two. How to deal with it? I'd recommend 'phoning for someone to see off the Paparazzo.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3123 on: 03 Jan 2017, 14:05 »

I wonder if Leslie has Amazi-Girls number?


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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3124 on: 04 Jan 2017, 12:46 »

And that's the frustrating part.   
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3125 on: 05 Jan 2017, 13:43 »

Well, at least she found a way to get her to talk
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3126 on: 06 Jan 2017, 13:07 »

I'm sorry Billie, but for Dorothy that's nigh impossible - and would be completely out of character

And does it surprise anyone that Billie has a hidden stash?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3127 on: 08 Jan 2017, 15:18 »

So Danny joins the long line of DoA characters that I desperately want to hug until it is gets better for them. :cry:
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3128 on: 08 Jan 2017, 15:24 »

And now he'll have to pay attention in class too
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3129 on: 09 Jan 2017, 04:30 »

Okay, it took me a while to work out what today's strip (1/9/17) is all about. Maybe I'm not as good at getting Willis's subtle humour and story-telling as I thought.

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3130 on: 09 Jan 2017, 04:53 »

Look at the tags - he'd have used "other alex" if this was a new character, instead he reused the "alex" tag. (He actually went back and updated all of Jocelyn's tags to match, when he revealed that Jocelyn is a trans woman, too.)

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3131 on: 09 Jan 2017, 06:54 »

O...k then? I figured reusing Alex as a tag was continuing the joke that one Alex was as good as any other to the indifferent class. Benergy's speculation seemed like a stretch, but apparently Willis actually intended that interpretation. I'm confused but also intrigued.

Edit: Clicked on the tag and...ok, I guess they could be the same person. You guys have a much better memory for background characters than I do.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3132 on: 09 Jan 2017, 14:31 »

And don't we already have a well established Trans character in the form of Carla in the Strip?  Not saying there isn't room for another similar character in order to expand the diversity and add a different and fresh perspective on things, which is always a good thing.

Or is Willis going to move to having them two either be best buds or antagonists/protagonists?

Will beintereting to see where this storyline goes.

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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3133 on: 09 Jan 2017, 14:33 »

If Alex is trans, she doesn't seem to be out. To the class at least.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3134 on: 09 Jan 2017, 14:40 »

Others can answer better than I, but isn't that something that is not uncommon?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3135 on: 09 Jan 2017, 15:19 »

Oh, that's not at all a criticism, I was just saying that in response to her and Carla being friends/foes specifically because they're trans, which is what I got from your post.

But yeah, if Willis says that Alex is trans...is that a spoiler? I mean already out of the bag here, I just never really know anymore what is and isn't a spoiler.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3137 on: 09 Jan 2017, 15:50 »

Tempting. I'll resist, though.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3138 on: 10 Jan 2017, 15:02 »

So what's she gonna catch next?
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3139 on: 10 Jan 2017, 23:20 »

The Gyarados doing a Dragon Dance behind Alex is on her list...
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3140 on: 11 Jan 2017, 13:40 »

Sound advice from Dorothy
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3141 on: 12 Jan 2017, 13:23 »

You DID ask Billie
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3142 on: 13 Jan 2017, 13:02 »

Joyce rushes in where even Sarah fears to tread

And Joe is nwo THE DANNY
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3143 on: 13 Jan 2017, 15:08 »

YOU THE DAN NOW DOG

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« Reply #3144 on: 14 Jan 2017, 13:41 »

It would seem that Joyce has firm views on the apocalypse.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3145 on: 15 Jan 2017, 13:37 »

Damn, Becky is good.


Or Joyce is overpredictable
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3146 on: 15 Jan 2017, 13:55 »

Yes.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3147 on: 16 Jan 2017, 13:06 »

Love is letting Amber capture the Magikarp.
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3148 on: 17 Jan 2017, 16:47 »

This is going well
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Re: Damn you, Willis! (Dumbing of Age)
« Reply #3149 on: 17 Jan 2017, 23:35 »

You do sometimes need a stranger and their distance to see what's really happening and tell you what's good and bad about it. Maybe that's what Joyce (and, to a certain extent, Joe) have needed for a while - a kindly stranger to tell them what's what.
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