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Gloomy Tai at the library

33 (43.4%)

Dora trying to make up with her GF

14 (18.4%)

Hannelore seeking vengeance on Juicy

8 (10.5%)

Marigold seeking medical aid

2 (2.6%)

Pintsize having an existential crisis

11 (14.5%)

Faye learning that 'creepy' is a state of mind

8 (10.5%)

Total Members Voted: 71

Voting closed: 10 Mar 2015, 08:40

[cesariojpn]

It is, in fact, utterly unremarkable that Marten's first relationship with a transwoman follows a string of failed relationships with ciswomen.

So, you'd find it "unremarkable" if say, Marten had relationships with an AnthroPC? To others, this relationship is remarkable to them, but the way the storyline has progressed, people are kinda wondering when some of the bits and pieces will fall into place to help them feel sympathetic to the couple.   

[Neko_Ali]

Now you are comparing trans women to non humans? The ice is getting very very thin.

Personally for myself, I would not bat an eye at an android/human romance. Because for me romance and love is not about physical parts, but emotional attraction. Whatever else they may be, AnthroPCs are self aware, emotional, intelligent beings. They have shown compassion, friendship, a desire for companionship and even love towards other AIs and humans. I can possibly be said that Station is in love with Hannelore. They certainly have a deep friendship and abiding affection for one another.

[ReindeerFlotilla]

It is, in fact, utterly unremarkable that Marten's first relationship with a transwoman follows a string of failed relationships with ciswomen.

So, you'd find it "unremarkable" if say, Marten had relationships with an AnthroPC? To others, this relationship is remarkable to them, but the way the storyline has progressed, people are kinda wondering when some of the bits and pieces will fall into place to help them feel sympathetic to the couple.

Within the context of the QC universe, yes. Machines are people, too. At least they are, there. While I understand the real world POV that they are non-human, that's not the situation that obtains in Jeph's world.

Also, gotta call fail. You buttressed (heh heh. he said "buttressed.") your argument by suggesting something odd about having a string of cis relationships. Indeed your whole point, such as it was, was constructed on the idea that a string of cis relationships is proof of something. However, it proves exactly nothing. The string of cis relationships is unremarkable. The trans relationship is also unremarkable, but for different reasons that have been explained to you multiple times and in some detail.

I'm just pointing out that your current argument makes no sense, which is kind of outting you.

[Aziraphale]

Now you are comparing trans women to non humans? The ice is getting very very thin.

Personally for myself, I would not bat an eye at an android/human romance. Because for me romance and love is not about physical parts, but emotional attraction. Whatever else they may be, AnthroPCs are self aware, emotional, intelligent beings. They have shown compassion, friendship, a desire for companionship and even love towards other AIs and humans. I can possibly be said that Station is in love with Hannelore. They certainly have a deep friendship and abiding affection for one another.

I wouldn't bat an eye at a human/android romance either, but I'm not sure that Station and Hanners would be the first example I'd reach for. Maybe it's just me, but there seemed to be an uncomfortably incestuous undercurrent to that part of that arc.

I agree with the rest of what you're saying, though. Especially that first bit.

[TheEvilDog]

@Cesariojpn - Please, quit while you're behind, it looks like everyone is about to lap you.
You seem to have a particular bugbear about Claire for the past few months and frankly, it's getting boring and repetitive.

(click to show/hide)

Here are some nuts and bolts

And have some steel beams

And use them to build a bridge

And for the sake of everyone's sanity, get over it.

[Stoon]

Wow.  That was the first banning I've seen on this board.  I used to participate on another board where they had a graveyard thread, where a tombstone was planted for those who caused enough offence and discord to warrant a banning.

[WareWolf]

All that said, I'm with the folks who think Marten will eventually grit his teeth and take the risk of this blowing up in his face. Which it will. Oh, yes, it will.

And lo, even as I have prophesied, so it has come to pass. Go me.

As for why Marten's pursuing a relationship with Claire: she's a girl he likes. No more, no less. That's the whole point.

[hedgie]

The "sad Tai" face is too hard to resist for long.

[chaospersonified]

New comic. Knew Marten wasn't a complete asshole

[TheCaffeinatedPanda]

Hehe, this time Tai out-idiomed Marten! 

[Tova]

I just wanted to add that the last two comics have been the perfect blend of serious plot progression and funny.

[Kugai]

[MichaelCorleoneVoice]"Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in."[/MichaelCorleoneVoice]

[Is it cold in here?]

The principle to keep in mind is that the trans*  people are male, female, or other as they report themselves to be. They have spent their lives grappling with their identity and are the world's leading authorities on it. Next is that they have always been that gender even when their bodies didn't match. Remember those points and you'll see a lot of the etiquette for yourself.

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[MrNumbers]

And here we see Marten's Good Guy instincts start to overwhelm his self-preservation instincts.

Poor guy.

[CaptainFish]

I hope Tai gets her make-up kisses. Also, Marten should go back to his silent strategy, it's much more effective.

[Omega Entity]

I'll take my ban now.
As you wish

It might be, it could be, IT IS!

I was wondering why I saw Jeph's avatar on here.

It's never a good thing to see Jeph's avatar on here.

Good riddance.

Part of me does wonder if they weren't someone from the subreddit, registering for the sole purpose of seeing how much shit they could stir up.

[hedgie]

Probably fairly likely.  And with the whole Walfart thing, Jeph has just gotten a bunch of essentially free publicity. 

[Jazzmaster]

I'm pretty sure Marten meant to discuss it in person.  I don't know why you'd text this sort of thing to somebody.

[ReindeerFlotilla]

You text an apology to create an breaking of the ice. It's like sending a letter of apology to open the doors for a meeting, except less postage. (Letters of apology were once a thing.) It creates social breathing room and gives the other party time and space (spacetime?) to decide where their boundaries on the matter lie.

[CM_albion]

Goddmanit Tai!

No! now is not the time to grin and think of make up kisses! too early! curb that enthusiasm for Dora-Butt, you haven't resolved shit yet

[osaka]

Marten just got Tai'd pretty hard right there...

[BenRG]

Yeah, the fact is that, no matter what his better judgement, Marten is basically a nice guy and wants to help out when he can. It doesn't help his cause that he's naturally empathetic and responds to others' distress nearly automatically.

In summary, he's a sucker for a damsel in distress or a friend with a good 'sad puppy dog' expression.

That said... Okay, I appreciate that this is Tai's first monogamous relationship; indeed, it seems to be her first serious relationship at all but...! Keeping cliff notes on her cell? That's more than a little strange! What was her Major? I know that she has Liberal Arts but that's a good generic Minor. If she majored in Psych or Sociology, then she may be relying on her textbooks a bit too much in real life.

In her defence, her eagerness is cute in said puppy dog way!

[osaka]

Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xD

[Endellion]

Welp. He shoulda just noped out of the building 

[Pilchard123]

Good riddance.

Part of me does wonder if they weren't someone from the subreddit, registering for the sole purpose of seeing how much shit they could stir up.

Possibly, although they've been around since 2011.

[explicit]

I get wicked drunk one Monday and all of a sudden shit hits the fan. I'm disappointed in everyone really. I wanted to say douchey things to assholes! Very rude. 

[BenRG]

Good riddance.

Part of me does wonder if they weren't someone from the subreddit, registering for the sole purpose of seeing how much shit they could stir up.

Possibly, although they've been around since 2011.

I've noticed that some people are bothered by some characters to a point that goes far beyond any rational level. Their response is so shrill and borderline-hysterical that I suspect that they know a real-life Tai (or Claire, or Dora or Faye, etc.) and that their personal experience with that person is so negative that it colours their reaction to the character in the strip. They then engage in a little hostility transfer and start lashing out at the character as they would never do in real life to the person they know.

Just a little amateur-psych guess on my part!

[explicit]

That or people hold unrealistic expectations for fictional characters.

You may have made a point with that. I kinda can't read well atm. I just wanted to be popular.

[jwhouk]

I get wicked drunk one Monday and all of a sudden shit hits the fan. I'm disappointed in everyone really. I wanted to say douchey things to assholes! Very rude. 

It would have dragged you down to their level, and the Jeph Banhammer is permanent.

[explicit]

Which is odd, because my level is pretty low as it is

[gopher]

Hmm, my general distaste for Faye has decrased since she has suffered and is trying to get help. Parallel to that my tolerance for just how self-centred MArigold and Tai are has decreased. Guess every good story needs some people you don't like.

[KevxD]

If it gets back to Dora that Marten was helping Tai (probably through Tai mentioning it offhand to her) I can see Marten being the next person she has  ago at, ticking her closer to meltdown.

[rfrank dodelijk]

I strongly dislike the phrase, "make up kisses".
the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.
marten should, if anything, advise tai to end her dalliance with dora. it will stop her from ever trying to get him involved in her drama again.
tai is simply marten's boss and he would do well to remember that.

[BenRG]

If it gets back to Dora that Marten was helping Tai (probably through Tai mentioning it offhand to her) I can see Marten being the next person she has  ago at, ticking her closer to meltdown.

I'd like for Marten to actually volunteer the information to Dora. "Tai is so worried, she actually came to me for advice! Bad joke, huh?"

tai is simply marten's boss and he would do well to remember that.

She's also his friend, no matter how much you may personally dislike this fact.

[KevxD]

I'd like for Marten to actually volunteer the information to Dora. "Tai is so worried, she actually came to me for advice! Bad joke, huh?"

Would probably be better to get his word in first, I agree. Considering the fear in his eyes in the last comic though, he may just hope his (albeit brief) involvement just isn't mentioned.

[rfrank dodelijk]

tai is simply marten's boss and he would do well to remember that.

She's also his friend, no matter how much you may personally dislike this fact.

I don't personally dislike the idea that tai is marten's friend, i'm also quite sure that tai is marten's friend I just don't think marten is hers. i'm not sure marten even likes tai all that much.

[snubnose]

Gloomy Tai ? I have trouble to imagine that.

[TheEvilDog]

I hope Tai gets her make-up kisses. Also, Marten should go back to his silent strategy, it's much more effective.

I think Tai is setting herself for a pretty big fall.
Every time Dora caused an argument, she was the one to initiate the apology by going and talking to (for the most part) Marten. Tai texting her is going to give Dora too much power and let her off the hook.

[Welu]

If it gets back to Dora that Marten was helping Tai (probably through Tai mentioning it offhand to her) I can see Marten being the next person she has  ago at, ticking her closer to meltdown.

I'd like for Marten to actually volunteer the information to Dora. "Tai is so worried, she actually came to me for advice! Bad joke, huh?"

Tai has gotten advice about her relationship with Dora from Marten before and Dora knows about it.

[rfrank dodelijk]

the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.

Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.

Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.

what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?

[ReindeerFlotilla]

the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.

Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.

Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.

what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?

That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.

[vidugavia]

the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.

Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.

Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.

what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?

That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.

But then there is no point in speaking about selfishness at all and even a worker-ant's death, when attacking a piece of bubble-gum, can be said to be "motivated by selfishness". It is full-filling it's preference for attacking.

Don't destroy language. We need it.   

[MrNumbers]

That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.

Sorry, but -

That every act, committed by any human, ever, was personally and subjectively interpreted by me to be motivated by selfishness.

Fixed that for you.

[ReindeerFlotilla]

the behaviour displayed by the character tai is motivated by selfishness and a lack of any regard for marten's experiences with dora.

Describe a human behavior not motivated by selfishness.

Okay, trick challenge. No such behavior exists.

what a rubbish trick. is there a point you want to make?

That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.

But then there is no point in speaking about selfishness at all and even a worker-ant's death, when attacking a piece of bubble-gum, can be said to be "motivated by selfishness". It is full-filling it's preference for attacking.

Don't destroy language. We need it.

Not destroying language dude. Look up the philosophy of the selfless act. (To expand, if selflessness is, indeed, impossible then "selfish" is actually an impediment to clear communication. "Selfish" would be the thing destroying language.)

That every act committed by any human, ever, was motivated by selfishness.

Sorry, but -

That every act, committed by any human, ever, was personally and subjectively interpreted by me to be motivated by selfishness.

Fixed that for you.

Fail. See above. At best you can claim I have taken a biased position based on the reasoning that selflessness is impossible. And that's why "fixed that for you" is one of the dumbest things on the the internet.

[osaka]

Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xD

Sir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.

That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.

[Rghfrgl]

Gloomy Tai ? I have trouble to imagine that.

Gloom!

[MrNumbers]

Fail. See above. At best you can claim I have taken a biased position based on the reasoning that selflessness is impossible. And that's why "fixed that for you" is one of the dumbest things on the the internet.

Alright, I'm not going to be dragged into another fight on this forum. I don't want the reputation for it.

Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xD

Sir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.

That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.

The Italian just checked the wind conditions. His short trip was eventful, and exploded catastrophically bare moments after takeoff.

(Bare moments. Heh.)

[vidugavia]

But then there is no point in speaking about selfishness at all and even a worker-ant's death, when attacking a piece of bubble-gum, can be said to be "motivated by selfishness". It is full-filling it's preference for attacking.

Don't destroy language. We need it.

Not destroying language dude. Look up the philosophy of the selfless act. (To expand, if selflessness is, indeed, impossible then "selfish" is actually an impediment to clear communication. "Selfish" would be the thing destroying language.)

Nope.

First and foremost there is a difference between the descriptive philosophical concept of psychological egoism and the everyday normative concepts of selfishness. Using them as synonyms are just confusing.

Selfish in everyday language means being self-centred and only interested in your own well being. Psychological egoism says that all acts, even those made to benefit others, are rooted in fulfilling your own preferences. If psychological egoism is correct, in that there is no truly selfless acts, it doesn't necessarily mean that there are no acts that are more or less self-centered. 

Tai is selfish in a normative everyday sense. She uses Marten as a tool without regard for his feelings. Everyday normative language is used in order to describe how people should and shouldn't act. The descriptive discussion regarding the possibility of selfless acts is something different and something that should be kept separately in order to avoid confusion. Otherwise I could destroy more or less ANY discussion by de-constructing the concept "self". 

I have a masters degree in philosophy and history. I know the discussion. For years I waved the flag of psychological egoism in more of less every normative discussion I was part of. Then I realised how fruitless it was.

I do not have a masters degree i English. Please bare with my language...

[Endellion]

Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xD

Sir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.

That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.

The airport has been officialy closed until the depressed Tai-phoon has blown over.

[MrNumbers]

Why not keep cliff's notes on the phone? A 200GB microSD has been announced not too long ago, surely that's enough to keep track of everything xD

Sir, there are still terabytes of calculations required before an actual flight is attempted.

That is the actual best setup for a highly distasteful pun on the Dora Bianchi International Airport.

The airport has been officialy closed until the depressed Tai-phoon has blown over.

Question: Are you even aware of your 'blown over' double entendre?