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[KharBevNor]

Because comparing Slipknot to the entirety of metal would just be withering.

[Se7en]

b) None of their nine members is Fred Durst

Okay, i will concede this point. You have found one positive thing to say about slipknot.

[rawrXskittles]

Heh, yeah. Fred Durst blows.

I was a little disappointed with the new album...Sone Sour pretty much sucked.

And I like what I like. I don't make personal attacks on you because of what you like and dislike.

Also, I never really could stand metal. Slayer, CoF and SKT from that genre only, please...

[sp2]

You like the music you claim because it's what you've heard.  There are plenty of awesome metal bands out there.  Plenty of awesome punk bands.  Plenty of awesome...well, you get the picture.  Basically, it's like this: why would you eat Hershey's when there's Godiva chocolate out there for less?  Most of the really good bands out there put out cheaper CDs than the major label MTV-featured artists, and their concerts are significantly cheaper.  Plus, they're just simply better musically.  There is no reason to listen to Green Day when there's Jawbreaker out there.  No reason to listen to Nine Inch Nails when there's Skinny Puppy.  No reason to listen to Slipknot when there's actually decent metal out there.  No reason to listen to ICP when razor blades cost only $1.99 at your local convenience store.

Most bands on MTV are watered down and accessible, but not particularly good.  That's not to say all bands that get national recognition or are on major labels are filth.  But most bands that get such widespread press are generally the equivalent to drinking Budweiser and calling yourself a beer connisseur.

We're simply saying that there's better shit out there.  MUCH better shit out there.  You're acting like a music snob, but the bands you like are the kind of music that people generally listen to when they don't have the interest to actually invest their time into finding something that's actually GOOD.  Being proud of liking the shit you're fed on ClearChannel either signifies that you have a very immature musical taste due to very little exposure to anything that's not on the radio, or it means you're a Hot Topic trendwhore.  I should have probably assumed the first and given you the benefit of the doubt, but I can't pass up the opportunity to diss on Hot Topic.

[rawrXskittles]

sp2, you don't get it, do you? I listen to the music I like because it makes me happy. There's plenty reason to listen to it, because it brings me joy. It makes me feel like I'm not just a stupid bitch out to hurt everyone and everything I can lay my hands on (even though that is true).

Bands like My Chemical Romance and the Used make me feel like I'm not in this all alone.

Bands like Green Day and SlipKnot make me want to "run around giggling and high fiving everything".

Bands like...erm, well you get the gist of it.

I invest my time in looking for bands that MTV hasn't/hadn't gotten their grimy claws on. Dope Stars Inc., tFDQFP13, Skinny Puppy, !!!, West Indie Girl...the list goes on and on.

So screw you man, and stop being a dick about what kind of music I like.

[KharBevNor]

Rawr:

Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion
Illnath - Cast Into Fields of Evil Pleasure
Sabbat - History of a Time to Come
In Flames - Clayman
Ministry - Houses of the Molé
Stormtroopers of Death - Speak English or Die
Amon Amarth - Versus The World
Strapping Young Lad - City
Nightwish - Oceanborn
Soilwork - Natural Born Chaos
Type O Negative - Bloody Kisses
SikTh - The Trees are Dead and Dried Out, Wait For Something Wild
Samael - Reign of Light
Dark Tranquillity - Damage Done

Just a few suggestions based on the bands you like. I gaurantee that you will like at least half the albums on this list.

Also, everyone should dig Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Motörhead. Those aren't even optional.

[rawrXskittles]

Oky Khar, I will bear this list in mind. I dislike Dark Tranquility, though. I only have the tolerance for one Black Metal band right now...and I can't believe I forgot Iron Maiden. They're awesome.

[KharBevNor]

Dark Tranquillity aren't black metal o.o

They're melodic death metal. Which is really just classic heavy metal with more growl and woe.

[rawrXskittles]

I allus thought melodic death metal was black metal...shows how dumb I is.

[Kai]

It's time to taste what you most fear
Right Guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear
Brace yourself, my dear...

POL POT.

Also, some more albums you may like:

Between the Buried and Me - The Silent Circus
Blood Brothers - Burn, Piano Island, Burn!
Dead Kennedys - Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables
Lacuna Coil - Comalies
Mr. Bungle - California
Praxis - Metatron
Primus - Pork Soda
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Juju

and although they're nothing like the bands you listen to, I strongly encourage that you check out The Residents. They're possibly the strangest concept rock band ever.  Check out Animal Lover, their latest album, since it's a good place to start out. If you don't even like it, your musical belt buckle has increased that much, and other kinds of music will be waay more accessible.


Also, Khar: No Skyclad? wtf?

[Kid Modernist]

All her posts

How old are you, I'm curious?

To KharBevNor:

Damn, dude, I've never heard of any of those bands. Then again I'm usually into softer stuff, but I dig The Blood Brothers immensly. What's the best one out of the list to check out for a non-metal dude such as I?

[rawrXskittles]

Erm...almost 14...-.-

Don't go all "ZOMGOMG NURRR SHE TO YUNG TO BES LOWED TO POTS OGMZOMH!!!!! NURRR!!" on me though...

Likewise, I don't want any "OMH I NEWS SH ENOWT GEWD MOSAK NUUUURRRRRR!!" from anyone...*coughsp2cough*

[Kid Modernist]

Erm...almost 14...-.-

Don't go all "ZOMGOMG NURRR SHE TO YUNG TO BES LOWED TO POTS OGMZOMH!!!!! NURRR!!" on me though...

Likewise, I don't want any "OMH I NEWS SH ENOWT GEWD MOSAK NUUUURRRRRR!!" from anyone...*coughsp2cough*

I don't think either, and won't say either. But I will say that you must be fairly new to music, and really it's probably not fair to say other bands suck, because how much are you acquainted with them? Can you really say Slipknot is the best metal ever? How many metal bands do you know? How long have you been into metal?

I'm not ragging on you, when I was just getting into music, I claimed a lot of things were the best evar, and now I look back on that and think, "What a goon." So maybe you should give some more time, or maybe be less vehement in your stance of things.

[rawrXskittles]

Vehemence is my middle name, il mio caro ragazzo. I'm very enthusiastic in EVERYTHING I do...like that one guy on stage for that one band who intensely beats on that drum.

I AM GOING TO MAKE SOME CEREAL AND GODDAMNED IF IT ISN'T GOING TO BE THE BEST CEREAL IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND!

Also, I tend to pass judgement quickly. I'll hear a few examples from the genre and deem it crap (as was the case with me and emo).


Every now and then I acknowledge I was wrong.

"Pink?! What the hell was I on??"

"Avril Lavigne?! Shoot me now, sweet Jesus..."

"...I listened to Deadstar Assembly? What's wrong with me!?"

"Hey, Dashboard Confessional isn't all that bad..."

^^ The few instances. Did I spell acknowledge right? I hope I did...

[sp2]

Vehemence is okay when you're knowledgeable.  Not when you're for the most part ignorant.

[rawrXskittles]

Up yours, sp2.

[Johnny C]

The drum guy is from The Arcade Fire.

"I AM GOING TO PUT ON PANTS AND GODDAMNIT ARE THEY GOING TO FIT WELL"

[rawrXskittles]

I knew it was either the Arcade Fire or Explosions in the Sky...

When you know of so many bands but haven't heard most of them it gets kinda jumbled all up in there...

[sp2]

Up yours, sp2.

Kid, I don't think you could sell enough lemonade to afford that.

[Johnny C]

What a timely topic!

[Kid Modernist]

I knew it was either the Arcade Fire or Explosions in the Sky...

When you know of so many bands but haven't heard most of them it gets kinda jumbled all up in there...

Then don't pass judgment if you haven't heard most of music. It's pretty simple.

Also, I tend to pass judgement quickly. I'll hear a few examples from the genre and deem it crap (as was the case with me and emo).

You admit to this and then claim to not be ignorant?

Every now and then I acknowledge I was wrong.

"Pink?! What the hell was I on??"

"Avril Lavigne?! Shoot me now, sweet Jesus..."

"...I listened to Deadstar Assembly? What's wrong with me!?"

"Hey, Dashboard Confessional isn't all that bad..."

^^ The few instances. Did I spell acknowledge right? I hope I did...

You'll be doing that for the rest of your life, I think most people do.

All in all: Think before you speak, and don't insult people.

[sp2]

All in all: Think before you speak, and don't insult people.

At least, don't insult people who are quicker on the uptake than you are.

[KharBevNor]

To KharBevNor:

Damn, dude, I've never heard of any of those bands. Then again I'm usually into softer stuff, but I dig The Blood Brothers immensly. What's the best one out of the list to check out for a non-metal dude such as I?

I'd recommend SikTh to a Blood Brothers fan. SikTh aren't really metal, but utterly bizarre experimental post-hardcore with goth rock and heavy metal influences. When I say utterly bizarre, by the way, I mean utterly bizarre. Whilst the Blood Brothers two vocalists normally sing or screech in various harmonised falsettos, SikTh's vocalists sing, bark, growl, chant and sometimes even rap at every pitch imaginable, often using accents or silly voices. Not to mention that they covered Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, have spoken word tracks and use a mobile phone as an instrument at one point.

Type O Negative may also be appreciated. It's like funky goth rock with an edge of heavy metal and a huge dose of withering sarcasm and dark humour. At a lot of points a self-parody of both itself and the entire goth scene, but always good stuff. If I was to recommend any songs to try and get into, it would be the incomparable 'revenge on an ex' song 'Black #1' (Loving you was like loving the dead!) and, of course, 'My Girlfriend's Girlfriend', which contains what is almost certainly the most awesome keyboard line ever.

[rawrXskittles]

I knew it was either the Arcade Fire or Explosions in the Sky...

When you know of so many bands but haven't heard most of them it gets kinda jumbled all up in there...

Then don't pass judgment if you haven't heard most of music. It's pretty simple.

Also, I tend to pass judgement quickly. I'll hear a few examples from the genre and deem it crap (as was the case with me and emo).

You admit to this and then claim to not be ignorant?

Every now and then I acknowledge I was wrong.

"Pink?! What the hell was I on??"

"Avril Lavigne?! Shoot me now, sweet Jesus..."

"...I listened to Deadstar Assembly? What's wrong with me!?"

"Hey, Dashboard Confessional isn't all that bad..."

^^ The few instances. Did I spell acknowledge right? I hope I did...

You'll be doing that for the rest of your life, I think most people do.

All in all: Think before you speak, and don't insult people.

Let me clarify...I haven't heard most indie bands. And, yes I do claim not to be ignorant. Because I listen to the most generic examples of it to get the gist of it. It's like, I listen to Sunny Day Real-Estate and go, "Well this is one of the most popular emo bands today, and it sucks..." I realise this is not a good way to go about things but I have about 50 subfolders in my music folder right now...I'm pretty much content to do that.

And yeah, I am quick to jump the gun a lot of times but I have to put up with assholes all the time because everyone hates me (not exaggerating, everyone at my school glares at me when I walk by except my 3 friends). I got used to insulting people because they're mean and I guess I forgot you were new people for a little while... Sorry kids.

As per usual, up yours sp2. Sorry.

[sp2]

And yeah, I am quick to jump the gun a lot of times but I have to put up with assholes all the time because everyone hates me (not exaggerating, everyone at my school glares at me when I walk by except my 3 friends).

Oh fucking holy shit you're a 14 year old goth and all the pretty twats at your school give you looks because you dress predictably different and tell them that they're tools of society and they're all the same.  Oh man, you're so oppressed.

Look.  You've chosen a style that gets looks from people.  You KNOW it gets looks from people.  Either you embrace this, or you fucking get over yourself and go back to wearing pink.

As per usual, up yours sp2. Sorry.

All yours when you can afford it.  But I really don't think you can pay my fees on your measly allowance.  My ass is VERY expensive real estate.

[Se7en]

Much to my everlasting shame, i listened to slipknot when i was 13 years old.

I am no longer a child, i'm 20 years old, and living in a considerably more sophisticated world, where listening to commercial bands ISNT rebelling against society, and being different isnt an end in itself.

This is the way. As you become an adult, you see more subtle naunces in things, and stop taking everything at face value.

[KharBevNor]

...and you listen to Sabbat!

Hark! The fallen Angels sing:
"Glory to Satan our King,
the Holy Church we thus defied,
the usurper crucified."

^_^

@Kai: Am I seriously going to suggest Skyclad? Martin 'this pipers tune is not for sale' Walkyiers big middle finger at all convention, commercialism and fan expectation? Oh, come on.

[heretic]

slipknot is fine by me if you don' take them too seriously.
i met them and they're pretty cool dudes, also joey jordison is really really good and like 5 feet tall... unrelated, but still funny.

i've had a premonition about this thread if the tone doesn't settle down and get civil.

[OwithtwoPricks]

Aqua?

you just took my suggestion.. i have to agree with what everyon'e said about Vengaboys, and Anti-Ben sounds awesome xD

[sp2]

I....I could build a house in there if I had the money?

What do you think I am, Goatse?

[Johnny C]

Log cabin.

[KharBevNor]

hurr hurr

[sp2]

Although I am proud that so many individuals want to invest in my ass (I suppose it is indeed hot property), I do think this is a bit off-topic.

And mildly discomforting.

[SpacemanSpiff]

I....I could build a house in there if I had the money?

What do you think I am, Goatse?

Thank you, that made me laugh out loud.

Also, to get back on topic (sort of): Cut her some slack. For two reasons: First of all, I bet your musicial taste was amusing to 20 year olds back when your were 14 as well, right? That didn't make it any less important for you though. Whatever I listened to, it meant something to me. If it does, screw whatever everyone else says.

That said, I think Nightwish is stupid and very annoying (and yes, I have listened to their earlier albums). I just don't like the voice and I don't like melodic metal (or whatever the hell it's called) and I also don't like lots of pathos. A combination of all three gives me diarrhea.
Now flame me for that.

Edit: Having seen a post in another thread, I have to add: Of course, there are tons of bands more annoying than Nightwish. For example HIM. But my point remains.

Edit Nr. 2: "For two reasons"? Where's my second reason? It sort of got lost, I guess. Anyway, I'm old, please bear with me.

[KharBevNor]

*goes off to cuddle with his Nightwish boxed set and listen to Elvenpath*

[rawrXskittles]

sp2, don't make fun of me. It hurts my feelings terribly, and then I might have to go cut myself with a plastic butterknife. I can only stand to do that, for I am afraid of sharp things! Woe is me! *dramatic pose*

Now that I'm done mocking stereotypes...

I dress normally. T-shirt, jeans, shoes...I dunno what makes them glare at me but they do what their will allows. *STEREO-TYPE ALERT!* Weak minded sheep, they are.

And I suppose if I were a gay man, it would be hot property...

And thank you Spiff, I appreciate that...HIM is fucking TERRIBLE. Whiny little sods. Guh.

Also, Reliant K. They are awful.

[sp2]

I dress normally. T-shirt, jeans, shoes...I dunno what makes them glare at me but they do what their will allows. *STEREO-TYPE ALERT!* Weak minded sheep, they are.

Maybe you're just ugly?

Okay, now I'm just being mean.

[KharBevNor]

I don't think you can put Nightwish even in the same ballpark as HIM. I mean, Tarja can sing, Toumas can play some mean axe and write good songs without using the word 'razorblade' in the lyrics ever. That's already three geometric leaps ahead of HIM.

[nickyandthefuture]

Man, I can't believe how much I hate this thread.  It's astounding.

[rawrXskittles]

I dress normally. T-shirt, jeans, shoes...I dunno what makes them glare at me but they do what their will allows. *STEREO-TYPE ALERT!* Weak minded sheep, they are.

Maybe you're just ugly?

Okay, now I'm just being mean.

And you weren't being mean before? *sniffle* Really though, I was all "waaah this guy's being mean to me!" yesterday. It was weird O_o

I'm okay now

And Nicky, if you hate it why did you even read it past 3 posts? Why even make a post on it? Seems sort of silly.

[sp2]

Me?  Mean?  Nah, never.

[happybirthdaygelatin]

It's like, I listen to Sunny Day Real-Estate and go, "Well this is one of the most popular emo bands today, and it sucks..." I realise this is not a good way to go about things but I have about 50 subfolders in my music folder right now...I'm pretty much content to do that.

Are Sunny Day Real Estate still around?  I know they did that whole breaking up and getting back together thing at least once.

I like them though.

[rawrXskittles]

Haha, EMO KID! NURRR! I JUDGE PEOPLE ON THE BANDS THEY LIKE! NURRR!!

And I would hope they were to break up once and for all...bands shouldn't break up then get back together. It's silly!

[sp2]

bands shouldn't break up then get back together. It's silly!

Wrong.  But there is a statute of limitations for breakups.

[sp2]

My personal rule is if a band hasn't put out relevant new music (not bootlegs or best-ofs or b-sides) for over 6 years, they shouldn't put anything new out as the same band.

[happybirthdaygelatin]

Seriously.  I came across a quote today that reminded me of another naff aspect of music.

He has a woman's name and wears makeup. How original.

- Alice Cooper, on Marilyn Manson

[SpacemanSpiff]

I don't think you can put Nightwish even in the same ballpark as HIM. I mean, Tarja can sing, Toumas can play some mean axe and write good songs without using the word 'razorblade' in the lyrics ever. That's already three geometric leaps ahead of HIM.

Yeah, I agree with that. Nightwish just isn't my kind of music, but it is indeed music.
HIM on the other hand fills me with a terrible rage. Of doom. Doom. Doom. Doom. ... I watched too much Invader Zim.

[rawrXskittles]

In short, the universe is DOOMED. Doomed, doomed, doomed doomed doomed doomed doomed doomed doomed doomed doomed...go home now!

...proving that having dreams only ends in terrible implosions!

Hissss...

Before the Big Bang, there was NOTHING! Outside where that dog is, there was NOTHING!


God I love Ms. Bitters.

[heretic]

5 points for Zim quote.

stupidest band ever? i have it. here it is. right after this sentence.... CHUMBA WUMBA

i win.

[SpacemanSpiff]

Eisenpimmel.
If your bandname translates to "iron dick", you can't be good already. If all of your songs are also a collection of stereotype punk, alcohol-promoting, grammatically wrong gibberish "sung" over three badly played power chords, nothing will ever save you from sucking harder than Monika Lewinsky.