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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #100 on: 14 Jun 2016, 00:27 »

And it was a shot in the dark  ;D

A shot in the duck, surely?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #101 on: 14 Jun 2016, 00:51 »

Hmmm... blonde, capable of quickly and easily putting down opposition, doesn't want to kill people, has poorly explained powers, is responsible for the creation of a crater on the moon, massive guilt complex...

That's one mystery solved.  Alice is Vash the Stampede.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #102 on: 14 Jun 2016, 03:49 »

Possibly, but Vash was a pacifist adverse to killing and when push comes to shove Alice can be a deadly serious opponent. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #103 on: 14 Jun 2016, 04:17 »

Doesn't mean she wants to be any more than Himura Kenshin wanted to be (or revert to being, at any rate) Hitokiri Battōsai.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #104 on: 14 Jun 2016, 04:47 »

I would agree that Alice is more like Himura Kenshin than Vash who would go to insane lengths to avoid killing people. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #105 on: 15 Jun 2016, 05:41 »

I just wanted to observe for the record that overcooking scrambled eggs is what is truly gross.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #106 on: 15 Jun 2016, 06:59 »


Why am I not surprised that Alice is responsible for a crater on the Moon? Maybe she's responsible for the new lava plain maria/impact basin? It would be excessive but so her.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #107 on: 15 Jun 2016, 07:53 »

Scrambled eggs are good, but it's still the least interesting way to cook eggs.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #108 on: 15 Jun 2016, 08:03 »

Eggs are EVIL I tell you!
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #109 on: 15 Jun 2016, 16:00 »

Scrambled eggs are good, but it's still the least interesting way to cook eggs.

I prefer them in a Pancake
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #110 on: 15 Jun 2016, 16:43 »

Scrambled eggs are good, but it's still the least interesting way to cook eggs.

Maybe you've never had really good scambled eggs.

As far as eggs are concerned, IMO quality of execution >> type. I'd rather have superbly prepared eggs of any type you care to name than mediocre preparation of whatever you think is the most interesting way to cook them.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #111 on: 15 Jun 2016, 20:54 »

Well Gavia is a beginner and they are limited to what's available for consumption so I wouldn't expect anything too complicated. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #112 on: 15 Jun 2016, 21:34 »

Scrambled eggs are good, but it's still the least interesting way to cook eggs.

If we're talking about interesting, I'd say hard-boiled are the least interesting.  One of my favorite tasting eggs, but it doesn't really get less interesting than "boil, peel, salt, serve".
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #113 on: 15 Jun 2016, 21:49 »

Agreed.  If I'm masochistic to want one on a salad, I lightly poach it rather than hard boil.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #114 on: 15 Jun 2016, 23:26 »

Hoo boy. Good salad with lightly coddled eggs are so yummy ajhdsdhasadssd
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #115 on: 16 Jun 2016, 04:24 »

Well Gavia is a beginner and they are limited to what's available for consumption so I wouldn't expect anything too complicated.
And it's very practical, boiling eggs requires more water, something they must look to save, for it's being a desert and everything.

Given they are on a multi-month expedition, what would they have on board? Hardtacks obviously, maybe some pemmican and or cured meat, some pickles maybe, maybe even dehydrated potatoes, flour, refined sugar if that's around. Vegetable oil or butter salted to death. Salt, so much salt you wouldn't believe. On utencils: some knives and various spoons obviously, a skillet, some pots,  maybe a dutch oven. Possibly a wooden bin for sourdough, because that's where poeple used to keep their yeast and lactobacillum - on the bin.

I have to say they look relatively light packed for their trip. A specially worrisome is that they seem to have only one barrel on board, so no redundancy for water.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #116 on: 16 Jun 2016, 06:08 »

It looks like a big wagon so quite possibly it has additional storage under the floor.  Moreover, Alice said they were a few days from the next settlement so they can get additional supplies there. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #117 on: 16 Jun 2016, 12:08 »

No strip for the other half of the week. 

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #118 on: 16 Jun 2016, 19:39 »

Treatise on supplies

Nonsense!  I've played enough Oregon Trail to know that you just need a rifle, a backup rifle in case your first one gets dropped in a river, gunpowder, and enough bullets to kill everything on four legs until you reach your destination.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #119 on: 16 Jun 2016, 22:40 »

Not to mention the Hatchet and Knife.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #120 on: 17 Jun 2016, 08:35 »

Not to mention the Hatchet and Knife.
And some other carpentry tools too, for wagon repairs. Speaking of wagon repairs and Oregon Trail: spare wheels or at the very least spare hubs and spare felloes and spokes. Also, lard for the hubs, tar, pith, also useful for caulking. Really a whole plethora of supplies. And clothes.

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  • Small crumbled bundle of canvas.
  • The wagon has a locked compartment.

I assume the wooden crate must be their pantry, and the locked compartment would be where the tools and spares would be kept. Still, seems they are running low on supplies.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #121 on: 17 Jun 2016, 14:03 »

Why when Ardent touched the wagon did it not turn into a Ferrari? an 18-wheeler? a Stagecoach at least?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #122 on: 17 Jun 2016, 15:26 »

Ardent's powers have limitations.  If Sedna had a restored Model T truck touching it might upgrade it into an F-150 or possibly the Jetson's bubble car, but she has a bird drawn wagon. 

Ardent's powers will come in handy when they meet the archaeophiles.  If they've recovered and moderately restored a space shuttle then touching it will be his and Gavia's ticket home. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #123 on: 17 Jun 2016, 16:30 »

having reviewed:
http://www.alicegrove.com/post/128111939049/alternate-lines-for-ardent-in-panel-3-does-she
http://www.alicegrove.com/post/128611572949/seconds-later-ardent-was-decapitated-by-a
http://www.alicegrove.com/post/128816812789/a-nice-birb

Spring (spring): no
Scissors (lever): no
Seesaw (lever): no
Eggbeater (wheel/axle): no
Wind up bird: (spring + wheel/axle + levers): yes
Pump: (wheel/axle + levers + motor(etc) ): yes

Cart (wheel/axle + lever): apparently no

So is it complexity that's the factor? or is it useful management of stored energy? or is intent involved (as Alice was musing a couple of strips later)
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #124 on: 17 Jun 2016, 20:22 »

I would suggest it has to be some form of working mechanical device such as the Pump or the Wind Up Bird.  I wonder what would have happened if Artent had touched the Wind Turbine
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #125 on: 18 Jun 2016, 05:01 »

I wonder what would have happened if Artent had touched the Wind Turbine

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #127 on: 20 Jun 2016, 13:16 »

Interesting...
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #128 on: 20 Jun 2016, 13:17 »

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #129 on: 20 Jun 2016, 13:51 »

Also might explain why people didn't think there were enough provisions for everyone in the cart...
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #130 on: 20 Jun 2016, 14:06 »

It's a good look on Gavia. Also Sedna seems to have taken her under her wing.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #131 on: 20 Jun 2016, 14:57 »

Well, she's not completely helpless after all.

And it looks like Sedna's got a new protege.
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« Reply #132 on: 20 Jun 2016, 15:14 »

Huh, neat.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #133 on: 20 Jun 2016, 16:23 »

Sweet! Insta-Tan!

Summer's here, I need it, it sucks being "baseline"

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #134 on: 20 Jun 2016, 16:26 »

New fan theory (feel free to flame me if somebody's already thought of this): *

Sedna is 5000 year old May, and Alice is 5000 year old Bubbles.

Both have gone through multiple chassis, and what they have now is a kind of "living android" body. Looks human, but is nearly indestructible; lasts indefinitely, and (in the case of Sedna) has a photosynthesis plug-in. May/Sedna never lost her interest in weapons systems, and continues to display the ironic and independent personality she always had. Bubbles/Alice is haunted by her military past, but continues to feel it's her role to look after Earth's humans.

Bubbles never cared much for May, though May used to fangirl over Bubbles a bit. Perhaps thousands of years of rejection have left May angry (thus the shootout when Bubbles/Alice showed up with the twins). They may hate each other, but then if you have someone who's been with you on your life journey for literal millennia, you'd figure out how to deal with them.

Part of what sent me on this line of speculation is Sedna's speech patterns. Imagine a slightly matured May, and she'd sound like Sedna. Alice has the formality and seriousness of Bubbles, further tempered by whatever massacres she perpetrated before the Blink, and by the many years of guilt which followed.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #135 on: 20 Jun 2016, 16:42 »

So then, are Ardent and Gavia reincarnations of Clinton and Claire?  :-D
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #136 on: 20 Jun 2016, 17:01 »

So "baseline" has the same meaning as Muggle in another fictional universe.

Probably with the same undertones of condescension.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #137 on: 20 Jun 2016, 20:52 »

It's a good thing I'm caught up, because if I popped in for the next comic after this one and hadn't read for a month or two, I'd be wondering who this new chick was and where Gavia went.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #138 on: 21 Jun 2016, 03:34 »

It's a good look on Gavia. Also Sedna seems to have taken her under her wing.

I still think Gavia is more similar to Alice than both of them would admit, but right now the latter seems to be trying to raise Ardent's spirits so the only person available is Sedna.  Of course buddy comedies are built on odd couples so if Alice has to be paired with Ardent then it make sense to pair Gavia with Sedna.  Moreover, Sedna might like having someone around that has many of Alice's same qualities, but none of the negative aspects that makes her hate her.  Considering that look Sedna has I wouldn't be surprised if she isn't a little attracted to her. 

It's nice of her to give Gavia a hat, but I have to wonder if she has some other clothes to lend.  Gavia has been walking around in what amounts to underwear these last few strips.  Remarkably enough she's not mortified by this, but then again Ardent arrived wearing just red boxer briefs.  Perhaps this is an indication that the the space dwellers have evolved beyond modesty and only wear clothing when necessary. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #139 on: 21 Jun 2016, 03:42 »

I've been thinking of Sedna's ability to photosynthesise. Does this indicate that she was a super-soldier created by the bioengineering faction whilst Alice was the product of the AI/Synthetic faction? That raises the possibility that Alice is a either an android or a massively-augmented human (augmented to the point where her still being a biological life-form is debatable).
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #140 on: 21 Jun 2016, 04:45 »

I've been thinking of Sedna's ability to photosynthesise. Does this indicate that she was a super-soldier created by the bioengineering faction whilst Alice was the product of the AI/Synthetic faction? That raises the possibility that Alice is a either an android or a massively-augmented human (augmented to the point where her still being a biological life-form is debatable).

It could just be a minor variation of Alice's ability to grow armor.  I do wonder if Sedna's reference to photosynthesis is an indication that she and Gavia are human and plant hybrids.  If the habitat rulers are trees then it makes sense that their children would be some variation of this. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #141 on: 21 Jun 2016, 09:47 »

The photosynthesis is cute, but except in starvation-stasis mode, not likely to be replacing food. "I cannae change the laws of physics" -- Scotty

Even if you assume Sedna is always naked (well, she doesn't mind that), covered in chlorophyll, and can expose half her surface area fully to the sun during all daylight hours, photosynthesis is not a big enough energy source to keep a normal person going. Randall Munro's calculations xkcd on photosynthesizing cows and Jeremy Miles' calculations Jeremy Miles on Quora on photosynthesis both agree that a moving, warm-blooded creature needs 50 to 5000 times as much energy as it could photosynthesize with full chlorophyll coverage. 

Even if the photosynthesis were perfect energy conversion(say, ideal solar cells) instead of its usual 3-6% efficiency, that would only make it ~20 times better, making it cover between .4% and 40% of a human's daily energy needs (depending on stuff). Again, assuming that human was always naked and sunbathing. Plants only get away with it because they don't need to heat themselves or to move around.

If Sedna photosynthesizes, it's probably only useful when she's in emergency stasis.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #142 on: 21 Jun 2016, 09:51 »

Random thoughts from today's comic:

Given the political fumduckery that bubbled uo in the states over trans people and bathrooms, I wonder what the immediate social ramifications today would be from the surfacing of the ability to change one's skin color with an act of will. Most of my circle would be anywhere from enthusiastic to chill about it, for reasons philosophical and practical, but I know some twitchy bigots who would be even twitchier about it -- a prospect both entertaining (because I know them) and terrifying (also because I know them).

"If you're wondering how she poops and pees, and other science facts (la LA la) ..." ... The Loon has gone two? Three? weeks without eating or apparently metabolizing. Not ruling out the possibility of miracle-tech clothing or even body mods (she's not BASELINE. GEEZ.), but  ... no input. no output.

Sedna days "preachin' to the choir" some few thousand years after this part of the globe, at least, has seen either preachin' or choirs. Was there any evidence of religion in Alice-town, other than a casual reference to Alice as a "witch"? Some superstition, maybe, directed at Ardent. Made me wonder, though, about words in use today, long after the concepts that birthed them have faded. And now that I've set myself up, I csn;t think of any examples ... Anyone else?

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #143 on: 21 Jun 2016, 10:30 »

Sedna days "preachin' to the choir" some few thousand years after this part of the globe, at least, has seen either preachin' or choirs.
Well, I hear/read them speaking early 21st century north american dialect, which is already significantly different to the dialect of the same region 100 years before (read old newspaper reports in something like the NYT on line archive to get a feel for how much the language has changed). Given a few thousand years language would drift wildly. (See various threads round the forum for contemporary dialect variations). So clearly what we are reading is a translation of what would be said into our contemporary speech. We could make the same assumption for metaphors...
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #144 on: 21 Jun 2016, 11:32 »

photosynthesis is not a big enough energy source to keep a normal person going.
What could possibly have led you to the conclusion that Sedna is in any way normal?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #145 on: 21 Jun 2016, 11:40 »

OK, so Sedna isn't normal. If she has the same kinds of enhancements that Alice has then I would assume she requires significantly more energy than a baseline human. So unless her photosynthesizers are dramatically more efficient than chlorophyll, she can't survive on sunlight alone.
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« Reply #146 on: 21 Jun 2016, 11:46 »

Or perhaps whatever tech they are made up actually operates more efficiently than a human body.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #147 on: 21 Jun 2016, 12:25 »

We just watched a (quasi) human who has been stripped of the nanotech that allowed them to fly, shield themselves and fling fireballs change the melanin content of their skin visibly and instantly through an act of will.

Given that, it seems making 21st-century estimates of someone else's ability to use photosynthesis as an energy source would be right out, yeah?

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #148 on: 21 Jun 2016, 13:49 »

Oh god imagine the blackface college parties up in space
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - June 2016
« Reply #149 on: 21 Jun 2016, 14:22 »

Random thoughts from today's comic:

Given the political fumduckery that bubbled uo in the states over trans people and bathrooms, I wonder what the immediate social ramifications today would be from the surfacing of the ability to change one's skin color with an act of will. Most of my circle would be anywhere from enthusiastic to chill about it, for reasons philosophical and practical, but I know some twitchy bigots who would be even twitchier about it -- a prospect both entertaining (because I know them) and terrifying (also because I know them).

So far it seems that there is no skin based prejudiced 5000 years into the future even on Earth.  I do wonder what the Praesides have told the other space dwellers about Earth since it likely affected Ardent and Gavia's perception.  Gavia said they left the Earth to live in freedom and harmony in the forest.  Perhaps the Praesides also told the space dwellers of mankind's previous bigotry towards people of different races, genders, sexuality, etc. and even though that might not be true anymore since Earth does resemble the way it did around the middle 19th century which wasn't the most enlightened of times it's reasonable to conclude that they might be on the same level of social evolution to an outside observer who doesn't have all the facts. 

"If you're wondering how she poops and pees, and other science facts (la LA la) ..." ... The Loon has gone two? Three? weeks without eating or apparently metabolizing. Not ruling out the possibility of miracle-tech clothing or even body mods (she's not BASELINE. GEEZ.), but  ... no input. no output.

Considering everything that Ardent and Gavia's bodies can do without technological enhancements it's difficult to rule out anything.  I'm assuming that the fabric in their clothes is technologically advanced, but free of nanotechnology otherwise the Night Walker would have absorbed that too.  As such it's probably stain resistant and form fitting, but that's about it.  I believe that Gavia still has a digestive system similar to baseline humans since Alice called her an asshole and she took it as an insult.  If that part of the body was no longer in use then it really wouldn't have an impact.  It would be like calling someone an appendix or tonsil.  It's not conclusive proof, but until proven otherwise I assume she gets the call of nature too.     

Sedna days "preachin' to the choir" some few thousand years after this part of the globe, at least, has seen either preachin' or choirs. Was there any evidence of religion in Alice-town, other than a casual reference to Alice as a "witch"? Some superstition, maybe, directed at Ardent. Made me wonder, though, about words in use today, long after the concepts that birthed them have faded. And now that I've set myself up, I csn;t think of any examples ... Anyone else?

I agree with JimC on this.  The comic is translated into a language we can understand, but it's possible that Sedna likes to use idioms from the time before the blink.  While it might not be as prevalent I could imagine religious groups evolving out of the old ones and possibly new ones emerging over 5 millennia.  There's a lot we don't know about the world beyond Alice's town which seems free of a lot of the old prejudices, but that's likely due to Alice's will. 
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