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Faye sees stars when Bubbles attempts to stop her from drinking
Faye sees everything red, white and blue-shifted
Faye gets convinced not to take a drink by Bubbles
Marten finds out about Faye's drinking - and is disappointed
Marten finds out about Faye's drinking - and beats her ass
Marten finds out about Faye's drinking - and Claire beats her ass
Pintsize slips Bubbles a few Bitcoin after convincing Faye not to drink
CorpseWitch finds out Faye was drinking on the job - and fires her
Bubbles then fires CorpseWitch into orbit
Hah ha ha ha... like Jeph's going to do any of that?
Waffles, spathe ham, and maple syrup
Purple Monkey Dishwashers on Elephants
None of the above

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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #100 on: 05 Jul 2016, 12:20 »

That's pretty fucked up too. People drink to get drunk. Period.
One of the hardest ideas to internalize is the concept that not everyone's experiences mirror our own, even when the experiences appear identical.
Mmm. Personally I enjoy certain alcoholic drinks, and I really hate the fact that, if I wanted, for example to spend an evening enjoying a selection of vintage Scotch whiskies, by the 3rd or 4th all discrimination and appreciation of the taste would be gone. Always frustrated me about beer festivals too: there might be 20 or 30 brews I'd rather like to try, but actually it became pointless after four or five.

Same here. I guess one benefit for me of being a former binge drinker is that I know how many drinks it takes before I stop enjoying the taste - or even tasting the taste. Back in the day, I would have happily dulled my taste buds in order to be able to drink down nasty swill, but now that I'm older (and hopefully, wiser), I prefer to just buy good stuff and drink it sparingly so that I can appreciate the good stuff. It takes me anywhere from six months to a year to get through a bottle, and at that rate, I can afford to spring for something that isn't rotgut liquor, wino wine, or watery beer.

So yeah. I'm another person who doesn't drink to get drunk (although I used to be, back in my 20s). I'd say that the only reason to drink crappy stuff is to get drunk, but not all alcohol is Budweiser, MD 20/20 and Bacardi.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #101 on: 05 Jul 2016, 12:52 »

Wild guess: tomorrow we´ll see a picture of a surprised Corpse Witch, listening to the sound of something made of glass bursting on a wall.

Also: new faces again.  :-o
I´m once again amazed how Jeph manages to visualize the inner turmoil and fight Faye goes through. Is someone else reminded of Gavia crying after realizing she´s lost her nanotech?

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I definitely saw the similarity.  They're both mourning losses although Faye has had a lot longer to get used to hers. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #102 on: 05 Jul 2016, 14:07 »

Faye has lost a home, namely the old Coffee of Doom atmosphere.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #103 on: 05 Jul 2016, 14:12 »

So yeah. I'm another person who doesn't drink to get drunk (although I used to be, back in my 20s). I'd say that the only reason to drink crappy stuff is to get drunk, but not all alcohol is Budweiser, MD 20/20 and Bacardi.

Agreed.  Some of it is decent quality single malt, like Glenlivet, Glenfiddich, and Dalmore, which have a smooth, enjoyable taste I wouldn't want to destroy by dulling the palate.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #104 on: 05 Jul 2016, 14:15 »

I so want Wednesday's strip to be Bubbles helping Faye get the bottle to her lips.

I mean, she looks like she's having so much trouble doing it on her own....
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #105 on: 05 Jul 2016, 15:23 »

Faye has lost a home, namely the old Coffee of Doom atmosphere.

Losses beget losses.  The source of her self destructive behavior was the suicide of her father and even though she can talk about it with nonchalance it still affects her behavior and leads to new losses.  Even though Angus was leaving to take a new job she could've tried to make a long distance relationship work, but chose to end it and then regretted it so much she started drinking which lead to her termination at Coffee of Doom.  She seemed to have gotten over all that until she was reminded that her old workplace isn't the same and she can't return to the place it used to be only what it is now. 

She's giving a toast to everything being shitty and while that is true of the past her present really isn't all that bad.  She's still got friends and a job she likes and could possibly build on that and have a better future. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #106 on: 05 Jul 2016, 16:22 »

Put. The. Bottle. DOWN. Faye
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #107 on: 05 Jul 2016, 16:29 »

I think you may have a point, but I also think that most alcoholics never are 'fully healed'.

By the way, the numbers in the thread title are wrong.

I assume one of the mods caught it; I didn't see anything wrong with the numbers/etc.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #108 on: 05 Jul 2016, 16:55 »

This could be a pivotal moment for Faye. Potentially.

This is about more than beating her alcohol addiction. It is about facing demons she has been running away from for a very long time.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #109 on: 05 Jul 2016, 18:27 »

I so want Wednesday's strip to be Bubbles helping Faye get the bottle to her lips.

I mean, she looks like she's having so much trouble doing it on her own....

I can't tell if Faye is trying to stop herself, or if she's trying really hard to take a drink...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #110 on: 05 Jul 2016, 19:13 »

I so want Wednesday's strip to be Bubbles helping Faye get the bottle to her lips.

I mean, she looks like she's having so much trouble doing it on her own....

I can't tell if Faye is trying to stop herself, or if she's trying really hard to take a drink...

I think it's both.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #111 on: 05 Jul 2016, 19:42 »

It reminds me of something that happened to me at a party long ago. I was handed a drink by a friend and told to drink it. I raised the cup to my mouth, but when it was about an inch away from my lips the odor of the drink hit my nose. I was then literally unable to move my hand closer to my mouth - I was willing it to happen but my hand wouldn't move. The drink, I found out later, contained cinnamon schnapps, tabasco sauce, jalapeno peppers, and quite a bit of Everclear, and had a particularly pungent odor that must have triggered some survival reflex that was not under my conscious control.

Anyway, it looks like something similar is happening to Faye here. She is willing her hand to move the bottle to her mouth, but her hand isn't listening. Something deep insider her knows she really shouldn't do this.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #112 on: 05 Jul 2016, 20:03 »

Faye's description of what being an addict feels like really hit home with me last time.

Me too. It's strips like that that keep me coming back.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #113 on: 05 Jul 2016, 20:04 »


I can't tell if Faye is trying to stop herself, or if she's trying really hard to take a drink...

Yes.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #114 on: 05 Jul 2016, 20:05 »

Faye has lost a home, namely the old Coffee of Doom atmosphere.

Booze will always offer you a home.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #115 on: 05 Jul 2016, 21:22 »

"Dammit Bubs, stop being nonchalant at me!"
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #116 on: 05 Jul 2016, 22:36 »

I know I usually come to this forum to complain about things that bug me, so I'd just like to take this moment to buck the trend and say that it's story arcs and comics like these which keep me reading QC.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #117 on: 05 Jul 2016, 23:17 »

In those frames I'm seeing Faye coming to the startling inner revelation that what she's about to do won't actually make her feel any better.

And the even more crushing one that, possibly, nothing will.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #118 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:10 »

I'm not cold hearted but to me Faye is just an irritant in an otherwise excellant comic, if she could just sort of go away and only ever be seen occasionally then this comic would be a lot better and more time could be devoted to more interesting characters

 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #119 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:15 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #120 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:24 »

Speaking from experience, punching a wall without protection hurts. Like big purple and blue knuckles hurt.
In any romantic film, this is where the good friend admits to having a crush on the crying character and things look up from that moment on, but I think we are safe on that front. Gotta admit I do not know where this is going, but the ride is enjoyable.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #121 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:28 »

I'm thinking that's a punching bag, based on the apparent give under the pinches and what looks like part of an "Everlast" label -- Everlast being a well-known-to-the-point-of-cliche brand name of sporting equipment associated with the giving and receiving of punches.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #122 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:29 »

Speaking from experience, punching a wall without protection hurts. Like big purple and blue knuckles hurt.

True, but she seems to be hitting a punching bag (of which Bubbles has a large supply).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #123 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:42 »

Don't those also hurt like a mofo without protection?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #124 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:48 »

Well, it looks like Faye found another way to work out her frustrations  :)

Bubbles will need to order more Punching Bags
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #125 on: 06 Jul 2016, 00:49 »

Don't those also hurt like a mofo without protection?
Perhaps that's the point of the exercise.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #126 on: 06 Jul 2016, 01:11 »

In those frames I'm seeing Faye coming to the startling inner revelation that what she's about to do won't actually make her feel any better.
And the even more crushing one that, possibly, nothing will.

Not so sure about that. Tova nailed it here:

This is about more than beating her alcohol addiction. It is about facing demons she has been running away from for a very long time.

If she manages to do that (which the current catharsis suggests she is) I think she will eventually feel better. Not blissfully happy (though there might be moments of that too) but at least some freedom from having her entire emotional life tainted by what happened years ago.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #127 on: 06 Jul 2016, 01:27 »

Don't those also hurt like a mofo without protection?

Assuming you're referring to punching bags? Not really. If you have skin that's not conditioned to punching, you might get some skin off your knuckles and such, but it's an inconvenience at worst, by no means a serious injury. You might get sore fingers if you overdo it, which will be unpleasant for a day or so, but the whole point of a punching bag is to provide a safe surface for hitting.

People train bare-handed by punching things less pleasant than a punching bag (like makiwaras: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makiwara ), and it's still for the most part safe for the hand.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #128 on: 06 Jul 2016, 03:27 »

Well, it looks like Faye found another way to work out her frustrations  :)

Bubbles will need to order more Punching Bags

This confirms that she replaced the last ones she destroyed.  I had a feeling this might happen since it was the way Bubbles vented during one of her breakdowns and it's really a better way of getting rid of self destructive tendencies than getting drunk. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #129 on: 06 Jul 2016, 05:56 »

Punching dad. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #130 on: 06 Jul 2016, 07:20 »

I'm not cold hearted but to me Faye is just an irritant in an otherwise excellant comic, if she could just sort of go away and only ever be seen occasionally then this comic would be a lot better and more time could be devoted to more interesting characters

She's one of the main characters and has been since day one. Almost anything long running that loses a main character way into its run is a sign of idea drought.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #131 on: 06 Jul 2016, 09:31 »

I feel a hug from Bubbles coming on but it would be unusual for Bubbles to do that. She wouldn't stop Faye from grabbing her and crying on her shoulder, though.

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Having Bubbles there as a reference point, as an anchor, may have been a huge help.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #132 on: 06 Jul 2016, 09:58 »

I think todays comic is pretty much self-explaining. Beating something (not someone) up when "everythings beeing shitty" is a very good way to deal with the anger and frustration. It doesn´t solve any problems of cause, but it surely helps to get a clearer view on things.
And I´m curious if the bottle is still in one piece.   :roll:
I hope Faye didn´t succomb to her addiction before loosening hell upon that punchingbag. If she stayed away from the booze, this is a big succes for her and I hope she will realise that soon.

And beautiful artwork today. Again. Like so many times in the last few weeks.
It almost feels banal to mention it, but Jeph is taking QC to a new level of graphic quality right as we witness it. Just compare the facial expressions, the details in the background and panel layout to the strips from a year ago.
The tension, the anger and the fear are almost feelable. It really hurts to watch Faye here.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #133 on: 06 Jul 2016, 12:08 »

Bubbles probably told Faye that a punching bag is a good option when you desperately need to hit something, especially if that thing is the face that you see every day in the mirror!

Poor Faye! Jeph does an excellent job at communicating Faye's emotional turmoil here without a single word. I don't think that anyone, even she, realised just how much pain that there was in her heart! The question is: when the pain is gone, what will be left behind?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #134 on: 06 Jul 2016, 13:02 »

What makes you think the pain goes away, ever?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #135 on: 06 Jul 2016, 14:09 »

You know what would be the classiest possible way to finish this situation?

Marten & Faye apartment, enter Faye holding a whiskey bottle in her hands
Marten: <sniffs>
Faye: Keep this safe for me, I may yet open it again in one day but that day is not today.
<Faye goes to her room saying nothing>
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #136 on: 06 Jul 2016, 14:10 »

The question is: when the pain is gone, what will be left behind?

This is a question I used to ask of myself all the time. For a long time I was scared to make any progress on my depression. It had been such a defining part of my life for so long that I was afraid I wouldn't know who I was without it.

What makes you think the pain goes away, ever?

It doesn't, really, but it can become manageable. It can become more background noise than the main attraction.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #137 on: 06 Jul 2016, 14:30 »

You know what would be the classiest possible way to finish this situation?

Marten & Faye apartment, enter Faye holding a whiskey bottle in her hands
Marten: <sniffs>
Faye: Keep this safe for me, I may yet open it again in one day but that day is not today.
<Faye goes to her room saying nothing>

Marten would dump the bottle. They already cleared the rest of the apartment of temptations. The last thing an alcoholic needs is a known bottle of booze in his/her living space.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #138 on: 06 Jul 2016, 15:27 »

You know what would be the classiest possible way to finish this situation?

Marten & Faye apartment, enter Faye holding a whiskey bottle in her hands
Marten: <sniffs>
Faye: Keep this safe for me, I may yet open it again in one day but that day is not today.
<Faye goes to her room saying nothing>

Marten would dump the bottle. They already cleared the rest of the apartment of temptations. The last thing an alcoholic needs is a known bottle of booze in his/her living space.

The point is, she needs to beg Marten for it, or snatch it, which would be only worse. She could only reclaim it after some considerable time, while in content state of mind. I see it could work.

it's not like alcoholics would not have lapses. That's how you know you are an alcoholic, when a "lapse" results into a type of drinking pattern it could justifiable be called a lapse.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #139 on: 06 Jul 2016, 16:05 »

You know what would be the classiest possible way to finish this situation?

Marten & Faye apartment, enter Faye holding a whiskey bottle in her hands
Marten: <sniffs>
Faye: Keep this safe for me, I may yet open it again in one day but that day is not today.
<Faye goes to her room saying nothing>

Marten would dump the bottle. They already cleared the rest of the apartment of temptations. The last thing an alcoholic needs is a known bottle of booze in his/her living space.

The point is, she needs to beg Marten for it, or snatch it, which would be only worse. She could only reclaim it after some considerable time, while in content state of mind. I see it could work.

it's not like alcoholics would not have lapses. That's how you know you are an alcoholic, when a "lapse" results into a type of drinking pattern it could justifiable be called a lapse.

This a big pile of misguidedness.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #140 on: 06 Jul 2016, 16:27 »


This a big pile of misguidedness.
Maybe so.

If there's any insight in my rambling, what about. Couldn't you agree she god called out pertty early for her problems? She surely seems to be far from the level when one needs rehab and or AA.
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« Reply #141 on: 06 Jul 2016, 16:40 »

I'm not cold hearted but to me Faye is just an irritant in an otherwise excellant comic, if she could just sort of go away and only ever be seen occasionally then this comic would be a lot better and more time could be devoted to more interesting characters

Now see, This is probably the best way to approach dislike of Faye diplomatically.  As opposed to my method, which got me a stern talking to.  I'm not cold-hearted, either.  But a lot about Faye rubs me the wrong way and she would be the kind of person in real life I would not bother associating with.  I knew several like her in my past, now a bit more distant (It seems I have been here a few years) than it was when I first made my anti-Faye outbursts, and she reminded me a LOT of them.

That being said, she is a well-written character -- so much so that she reminds me of real people.  Whom I still will not associate with.

Ironically, today's strip is probably the first time I can wholly relate to Faye - beating the everloving dogshit out of a heavy bag because like fuck.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #142 on: 06 Jul 2016, 17:13 »

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That being said, she is a well-written character -- so much so that she reminds me of real people.  Whom I still will not associate with.

Which is not far at all from what Jeph himself said. He has fun writing Faye but would not like a real-life version of her. I've learned to avoid her type myself.

That "reminds me of real people" thing is a sign of good art(mod), but good lord, it can make my job harder(/mod). Dora has also punched a lot of people's buttons, and people who've been around irresponsible drug users get instantly angry at Tai.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #143 on: 06 Jul 2016, 17:16 »

When readers' unresolved anger is brought to the surface by QC characters, moderating would indeed ... be like fuck.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #144 on: 06 Jul 2016, 17:20 »

I'm not cold hearted but to me Faye is just an irritant in an otherwise excellant comic, if she could just sort of go away and only ever be seen occasionally then this comic would be a lot better and more time could be devoted to more interesting characters

That being said, she is a well-written character -- so much so that she reminds me of real people.  Whom I still will not associate with.

Ironically, today's strip is probably the first time I can wholly relate to Faye - beating the everloving dogshit out of a heavy bag because like fuck.

For me its her behaviour towards Marten has always seemed to me to one of a bully and an abuser and while I get that Marten has brought it on himself there were also times when she'd start to bully Claire and all because Faye Had A Traumatic Experience, whereas I'd rather see more stuff like Marten dealing with the issues of dating Claire
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #145 on: 06 Jul 2016, 17:33 »

I'm not cold hearted but to me Faye is just an irritant in an otherwise excellant comic, if she could just sort of go away and only ever be seen occasionally then this comic would be a lot better and more time could be devoted to more interesting characters

That being said, she is a well-written character -- so much so that she reminds me of real people.  Whom I still will not associate with.

Ironically, today's strip is probably the first time I can wholly relate to Faye - beating the everloving dogshit out of a heavy bag because like fuck.

For me its her behaviour towards Marten has always seemed to me to one of a bully and an abuser and while I get that Marten has brought it on himself there were also times when she'd start to bully Claire and all because Faye Had A Traumatic Experience, whereas I'd rather see more stuff like Marten dealing with the issues of dating Claire

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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #146 on: 06 Jul 2016, 17:53 »

Honestly, no QC character has really rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah, they've all been jerks at times, but I pretty much always tend to empathize. I guess the one exception would be Marigold and her at-times ridiculous immaturity, but part of that's because she reminds me of myself.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #147 on: 06 Jul 2016, 18:33 »

Honestly, no QC character has really rubbed me the wrong way.

Conversely, every QC character has pissed me off. That's why I like this comic though - it lets me read about fictional people who piss me off, and then I get over it and start to like the character. That's completely unlike the real world, where the people who piss me off seem to keep on doing it and I rarely get to move on to the "start to like them" phase.
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« Reply #148 on: 06 Jul 2016, 19:11 »

You don't usually get the kinds of opportunities to get to know and understand people who piss you off that you get reading QC.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016)
« Reply #149 on: 06 Jul 2016, 21:02 »

See, if anything, the character I dislike the least is Dora. Faye's trauma just seems far more relatable and sympathetic. Additionally, her toxic behavior has (mostly) just been self-destructive. Her story is depressing, sad, and all-too familiar. I can feel a lot worse for a character when they truly seem to be a victim rather than an antagonist. (And yes, before anyone points it out, I know Faye can be prickly and rude, but how often has she actually tried to hurt someone (Emotionally or physically) when it wasn't in the defense of one of her friends? Arm punches and snippy jokes don't count.)

Dora, on the other hand, leads a (relatively speaking) charmed life. Her parents are cool, she's running a very successful small business, and the biggest real grievance in her life is that her brother is more successful than she is. So while she's not just prickly but toxic to those around her, she's vindictive, (to be fair, she's gotten less bad in more recent comics,) she's just not a character whom I care for at all. (Also, not to rehash this discussion, but: While she was in the right for firing Faye, the way she handled that situation was just terrible.)


If anyone had to get eaten by an Allosaurus and disappear from QC, I'd take Dora any day. Faye has problems, but they're the kind of problems that make her sympathetic and make her story sad, not the kind of problems that make her an irritant. (In my opinion.)
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