Topic: WCDT Strips 3256-3260 (4-8 July 2016) (Read 53785 times)

Near Lurker · « **Reply #150 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 21:36 »

Quote from: freeman on 06 Jul 2016, 14:09

Marten & Faye apartment, enter Faye holding a whiskey bottle in her hands
Marten: <sniffs>
Faye: Keep this safe for me, I may yet open it again in one day but that day is not today.
<Faye goes to her room saying nothing>

cesium133 · « **Reply #151 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 21:50 »

<Faye's apartment burns down again.>

~~blue5~~ · « **Reply #152 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 22:35 »

Trying this hard is probably the best attempt she had made to stop blaming everyone. All the issues she faced is finally coming to head. If she gets over it, maybe martin and her will work out.

Indicible · « **Reply #153 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 22:41 »

The bottle looks full, but the colour is off. Did Jeph make a mistake on that one? In any case, if the bottle is still full, that is big. If it is not, it is still big, but not in a good way.

Magniras · « **Reply #154 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 22:52 »

Quote from: Indicible on 06 Jul 2016, 22:41

The bottle looks full, but the colour is off. Did Jeph make a mistake on that one? In any case, if the bottle is still full, that is big. If it is not, it is still big, but not in a good way.

Weird lighting, coupled with whiskey on dark red makes it look like that. But the bottle is still full.

Zastie · « **Reply #155 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 22:53 »

The label also doesn't fully encompass the bottle - only that one section is left. Bubbles may have re-purposed the bottle, looks like it's filled with water ATM (little bit of color due to being transparent and showing Bubbles). That is kinda odd, I'd say it's maybe a mistake if it isn't really explained or important. Maybe I'm missing something though.

EDIT: There also what appears (to me at least) to be some of the whiskey on the floor in the background. It could also just be stuff from the workplace though - but that's why I say water, since the whiskey seems to be on the floor now.

Timemaster · « **Reply #156 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 22:54 »

Well done, Faye. Respect.

She didn´t succomb to her addiction, she let off some steam and now she´s gonna get a good nights sleep over it. Maybe she´ll talk to Marty in the morning. Or maybe not. It doesn´t really matter. The important thing is, that she didn´t give in to this temptation, no matter how big it was. And when she realises that it was her own strength that allowed her to do so, it´ll be a big effort for her.

Go Faye, you can make it.

TM

Y · « **Reply #157 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:00 »

That almost looks like Bubbles is going to drink it. I don't know what visions that will give her, or perhaps it's like some essential coolant/fuel like it is with Bender.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #158 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:08 »

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how often has she actually tried to hurt someone (Emotionally or physically) when it wasn't in the defense of one of her friends? Arm punches and snippy jokes don't count.)

Not often. The only example I can think of right away was telling Wil that the way to Pennelope's heart was to talk about Hemingway.

jwhouk · « **Reply #159 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:10 »

The bottle was still full.

Kugai · « **Reply #160 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:20 »

I thought she may have drained it out the window, hence Bubbles' looking out and holding it, but then I spotted the Liquid Line against her shoulder.

Well done Faye

brasca · « **Reply #161 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:22 »

Quote from: Y on 06 Jul 2016, 23:00

That almost looks like Bubbles is going to drink it. I don't know what visions that will give her, or perhaps it's like some essential coolant/fuel like it is with Bender.

Maybe she's just going to smell it. Hope she doesn't find herself in a circus with pink elephants since that seems a little too obvious trip.

Perhaps Faye took a drink, but she didn't finish which is better than downing the whole bottle or going on a bender or maybe she abstained completely. At least she seems to have found a better way to resolve her anger than what's she been doing.

Kugai · « **Reply #162 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:24 »

No, it looks like it's full. I think she came close, but managed to stop herself and then took it out on one of Bubbles Punching Bags before heading home.

Timemaster · « **Reply #163 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:29 »

I think I see a slight, brief smile in Bubbles face in the last panel.
She´s proud of Faye. And happy, that she didn´t drink.

Well done, Bubbles. You really are a good friend.

TM

Near Lurker · « **Reply #164 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:30 »

This seems like a sweet gesture on the part of Bubbles until you learn she just saw a Futurama marathon.

Kugai · « **Reply #165 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:32 »

Bubbles ain't no Bender

She's more like a Pretzeler

BenRG · « **Reply #166 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:37 »

I can't blame Faye for not wanting to talk to Marten about her near-miss. However, I'm not sure that keeping secrets is the best thing for her attempt to control her condition. She needs to understand the limits of her own strength. She doesn't need to give any details; just expand a little bit on a 'rough day'. Tell the guys at the support group if she feels unable to tell Marten. She needs to tell Marten something, though; he's got to have noticed that she's been crying!

What is Bubbles doing? I think that she's considering the trophy of a battle won before dropping it in the dumpster.

I also believe that this is the first time that we've seen her smile when tea is not involved!

improvnerd · « **Reply #167 on:** 06 Jul 2016, 23:53 »

Jeph tweaked the colors to make it clearer what's going on in the last panel:

http://jephjacques.com/post/147032061155/i-tweaked-the-colors-to-make-it-a-little-clearer

(Should show up on the regular site once the cache updates.)

~~blue5~~ · « **Reply #168 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 00:18 »

She worked out the stress. Good for her. Bubbles might use this to confront corpse bride

oeoek · « **Reply #169 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 00:35 »

Quote from: Y on 06 Jul 2016, 23:00

That almost looks like Bubbles is going to drink it. I don't know what visions that will give her, or perhaps it's like some essential coolant/fuel like it is with Bender.

Bubbles... Bubs, Bubbarella: NO!

ps: and what's with that pool of blood seeping from underneath a box in the background of the last frame?

TinPenguin · « **Reply #170 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 00:45 »

That's a pool of whisky that spilled from the bottle as Faye ejected it.

anahata · « **Reply #171 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 02:13 »

Quote from: Y on 06 Jul 2016, 23:00

That almost looks like Bubbles is going to drink it.

That's what I really thought at first. Just as Faye comes to terms with the fact that it won't help with her problems, Bubbles is wondering what it would do for her own...

Thrillho · « **Reply #172 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 02:22 »

I have to say that this week of comics has probably been Jeph's greatest work to date. Faye's expression, the red eyes, the low-key way in which this all happened - that Faye actually used a tremendously weak excuse to go and buy some drink in the first place, but that is absolutely typical of an addict.

Quote from: chris73 on 06 Jul 2016, 17:20

For me its her behaviour towards Marten has always seemed to me to one of a bully and an abuser and while I get that Marten has brought it on himself there were also times when she'd start to bully Claire and all because Faye Had A Traumatic Experience, whereas I'd rather see more stuff like Marten dealing with the issues of dating Claire

This post suggests to me that you've not spent a lot of time around people who are damaged, or if you have that they are people who have dealt with it extremely well. If my father had killed himself in front of me when I was a child I would doing all the drugs to cope with that information. That would cause tremendous psychological damage. People who lash out at others aren't necessarily just assholes. Few actually are at all. They've been through things that have caused them to push others away when they want to accept them. I work with at risk teenagers and I can tell you, I wish even half of them were as pleasant as Faye is as often as she is. Faye is in most senses still a teenager herself. Matter of fact she is mostly lashing out at herself rather than others. Other people are just collateral damage.

jwhouk · « **Reply #173 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 03:03 »

Quote from: anahata on 07 Jul 2016, 02:13

Quote from: Y on 06 Jul 2016, 23:00
That almost looks like Bubbles is going to drink it.

That's what I really thought at first. Just as Faye comes to terms with the fact that it won't help with her problems, Bubbles is wondering what it would do for her own...

And then her memory database reminds her that alcohol ingestion causes short circuiting in her simulated digestive tract.

freeman · « **Reply #174 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 04:15 »

Well half a cookie for me? (Because I think Jeph wont waste another comic to show Bubbles to pour it out, so it's impliet she'll stash it. Maybe even for sniffing purposes.)

It's better than if the bottle was in the same apartment as her, yet the gun has still been hanged on the Chekhov's mantle, just as I liked.

Quote from: chris73 on 06 Jul 2016, 17:20

...whereas I'd rather see more stuff like Marten dealing with the issues of dating Claire

Anything Claire must be served with an extra small spoon, or Jeph would need to lear to draw with his feet.

Jeph has been relatively masterful in dancing around this subject, with only little glimpses at the time. Someone would say he has painted a little too rosy picture and avoided touching the hard subjects of living with a Kathoey, but some other, less experienced artists, would have easily erred into over-anylyzing and over-explaining it, like I've seen one or two "trans" themed comics doing. Over all, he'll get a school grade of 8 from me. (By the European system of 0-10; 4 and below is improbatur.)

Quote from: anahata on 07 Jul 2016, 02:13

Just as Faye comes to terms with the fact that it won't help with her problems, Bubbles is wondering what it would do for her own...

There is only one way how robots can do drugs and it would be putting an AA battery across her loading port. That would stimulate har circuitry like using dipping tobacco would stimulate humans.

(Kudos for the people who know the reference, because that is OBSCURE.)

~~blue5~~ · « **Reply #175 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 04:45 »

I get it that she is damaged and all that, but she needs therapy. Its no excuse for her to lash out really. But the fact that she is beginning to confront stuff means she is making progress.

I have a theory...faye is not her dad's daughter.

SubaruStephen · « **Reply #176 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 04:55 »

Quote from: freeman on 07 Jul 2016, 04:15

There is only one way how robots can do drugs and it would be putting an AA battery across her loading port. That would stimulate har circuitry like using dipping tobacco would stimulate humans.

(Kudos for the people who know the reference, because that is OBSCURE.)

Not that obscure if the writers of Futurama could use it to make an entire episode....
https://youtu.be/U3RjP6_TV0E

Zebediah · « **Reply #177 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 05:00 »

To me, in the last panel Bubbles looks like she's thinking "Now what the hell am I supposed to do with this?"

Quote from: blue5 on 07 Jul 2016, 04:45

I have a theory...faye is not her dad's daughter.

I've got a theory.

(click to show/hide)

~~blue5~~ · « **Reply #178 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 05:10 »

Hey, it will be a plot twist. Whatever happened to the hi-jinks this series used to have? You know her father being a pilot in costa rica named Alphonso. Now that would be a twist!

freeman · « **Reply #179 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 05:13 »

Quote from: SubaruStephen on 07 Jul 2016, 04:55

Quote from: freeman on 07 Jul 2016, 04:15
There is only one way how robots can do drugs and it would be putting an AA battery across her loading port. That would stimulate har circuitry like using dipping tobacco would stimulate humans.

(Kudos for the people who know the reference, because that is OBSCURE.)
Not that obscure if the writers of Futurama could use it to make an entire episode....
https://youtu.be/U3RjP6_TV0E

Wasn't Futurama, might be inspired by Futurama. It's a really old web comic about a Fry-esque guy and Bender-like robot who are marooned in a small intersolar planetoid with no seasons and thin atmosphere in a cargo space ship full of second hand junk.

As said, AA battery - dipping tobacco.

Radium_Coyote · « **Reply #180 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 05:33 »

Faye keeping secrets may not be the best thing for her, but she's got a good corner man in the form of Bubbles. Bubbles is not judgemental, not the kind to interfere in business that isn't hers.

You can't buy friends like that, they gotta be earned.

Stoutfellow · « **Reply #181 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 05:48 »

I don't see Faye as keeping a secret here; she's just exhausted, and not up to having that conversation right now. I'll lay odds she'll tell Marten about it in the morning.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #182 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 07:59 »

Quote from: blue5 on 07 Jul 2016, 04:45

I get it that she is damaged and all that, but she needs therapy.

For certain you're right. If she's not still seeing Dr. Buenvenida then she should start again immediately.

themacnut · « **Reply #183 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 08:39 »

Quote from: Thrillho on 07 Jul 2016, 02:22

Quote from: chris73 on 06 Jul 2016, 17:20
For me its her behaviour towards Marten has always seemed to me to one of a bully and an abuser and while I get that Marten has brought it on himself there were also times when she'd start to bully Claire and all because Faye Had A Traumatic Experience, whereas I'd rather see more stuff like Marten dealing with the issues of dating Claire

This post suggests to me that you've not spent a lot of time around people who are damaged, or if you have that they are people who have dealt with it extremely well. If my father had killed himself in front of me when I was a child I would doing all the drugs to cope with that information. That would cause tremendous psychological damage. People who lash out at others aren't necessarily just assholes. Few actually are at all. They've been through things that have caused them to push others away when they want to accept them. I work with at risk teenagers and I can tell you, I wish even half of them were as pleasant as Faye is as often as she is. Faye is in most senses still a teenager herself. Matter of fact she is mostly lashing out at herself rather than others. Other people are just collateral damage.

I get that going through traumatic experiences can screw people all the way up, but being damaged is no excuse for lashing out at people, especially with little or no provocation. Many people have no tolerance for that kind of behavior (remember, even Jeph himself has said he wouldn't like a real-life Faye). They find out the person acting like an asshole towards them is damaged, they are likely to just consider them a damaged asshole.

Faye and others like her need extensive and ongoing therapy if they have any hopes of living a normal life.

Morituri · « **Reply #184 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 09:21 »

Quote from: Zebediah on 07 Jul 2016, 05:00

To me, in the last panel Bubbles looks like she's thinking "Now what the hell am I supposed to do with this?"

Hmmm. It's got enough tensile strength not to break when I throw it, but the aerodynamics are iffy. Wonder if I could hit the quarry from here?

Morituri · « **Reply #185 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 10:03 »

Quote from: themacnut on 07 Jul 2016, 08:39

I get that going through traumatic experiences can screw people all the way up, but being damaged is no excuse for lashing out at people, especially with little or no provocation. Many people have no tolerance for that kind of behavior (remember, even Jeph himself has said he wouldn't like a real-life Faye). They find out the person acting like an asshole towards them is damaged, they are likely to just consider them a damaged asshole.

True... There's a huge difference between an excuse (bears less responsibility for being that way because X) and an explanation (is that way because X). It's the sort of distinction that is lost though, to people who think that something not being fair is a reason why it shouldn't happen.

When we are unfair, that's bad on us and we're responsible for it. When the universe is unfair, that's nobody's fault but it's unfair anyway.

Somebody goes through traumatic experiences? Totally unfair to them. They get traumatic experiences, and then often as not they have to live with being an asshole for the rest of their lives too.

Oenone · « **Reply #186 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 10:06 »

Re: Dora

I'm waiting for the strip where her shrink suggests she get tested for ADHD or something like that. The issues w emotional regulation and her struggles with school and their impact on her self esteem would make a lot more sense then.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #187 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 11:33 »

Quote from: themacnut on 07 Jul 2016, 08:39

Faye and others like her need extensive and ongoing therapy if they have any hopes of living a normal life.

To have any hopes of living a normal life they should also move to a different webcomic.

Thrillho · « **Reply #188 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 11:51 »

Quote from: themacnut on 07 Jul 2016, 08:39

I get that going through traumatic experiences can screw people all the way up, but being damaged is no excuse for lashing out at people, especially with little or no provocation

Sometimes that's how depression works. It's not always straightforward or understandable and tolerance levels will vary. It's not about having an excuse, it's about having a reason for some understanding.

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Many people have no tolerance for that kind of behavior (remember, even Jeph himself has said he wouldn't like a real-life Faye).
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Maybe if people were treated better originally, there would be less mental health problems, less damaged people, and less of this behaviour. And maybe if there was less of this behaviour there'd be less tragic cases in the world. I'm not saying people have no right to get pissed off at it. I'm just saying that I put up with more of it than others because I've seen how shit like this works and sometimes somebody like Faye just needs one person to not turn away from her. Right now that's Bubbles.

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They find out the person acting like an asshole towards them is damaged, they are likely to just consider them a damaged asshole.

Cool. They can do that. I'll just consider then a damaged person.

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Faye and others like her need extensive and ongoing therapy if they have any hopes of living a normal life.

I never said they didn't. I am well in favour of therapy. That said, mental health is still in its dark ages and provision is at an appallingly low level in my neck of the woods, so your average Joe being more understanding would do wonders on a very small scale. Some people's suicide notes say that if only one person had acknowledged them with a smile that day, it would be enough to keep them from the brink.

Gyrre · « **Reply #189 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 13:57 »

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 07 Jul 2016, 11:33

Quote from: themacnut on 07 Jul 2016, 08:39
Faye and others like her need extensive and ongoing therapy if they have any hopes of living a normal life.

To have any hopes of living a normal life they should also move to a different webcomic.

"It is quite abnormal to be normal. "
- Michael Stevens, from Vsauce 'Some Surprising Things'

chris73 · « **Reply #190 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 14:02 »

(mod edit: patched up quote tags, no other changes)

Quote from: Thrillho

This post suggests to me that you've not spent a lot of time around people who are damaged, or if you have that they are people who have dealt with it extremely well. If my father had killed himself in front of me when I was a child I would doing all the drugs to cope with that information. That would cause tremendous psychological damage. People who lash out at others aren't necessarily just assholes. Few actually are at all. They've been through things that have caused them to push others away when they want to accept them. I work with at risk teenagers and I can tell you, I wish even half of them were as pleasant as Faye is as often as she is. Faye is in most senses still a teenager herself. Matter of fact she is mostly lashing out at herself rather than others. Other people are just collateral damage.

That's not the point I'm trying to make though, I get the Fayes going through hard times, I get that's it difficult, I get all that.

I just simply don't want to see as much of her on this comic because (IMHO) shes a bullying, nasty, manipulative, emotional vampire. I understand that her behaviour derives from her experiences but that doesn't mean I have to like her and have to want to see more of her in this strip.

The more shes on this strip the less time there is for Martens growth and his experiences with Claire or Hannelores continuing experiences of coming out of her shell or even Clin-tons escapades

Tova · « **Reply #191 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 15:01 »

When people keep saying "I understand ... BUT ...," I find it very difficult to take the claim of understanding very seriously.

chris73 · « **Reply #192 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 15:21 »

Quote from: Tova on 07 Jul 2016, 15:01

When people keep saying "I understand ... BUT ...," I find it very difficult to take the claim of understanding very seriously.

As I find it difficult to take seriously people who seem to want to ignore the main point of what someone is saying (I don't like Fayes character and I'd prefer she wasn't around as much so more focus could go on the characters I do like) to instead focus on the minor points because it suits their own narrative

Tova · « **Reply #193 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 15:25 »

What is there to say about your main point? You don't like one of the characters. That's your prerogative. You don't have to like her. Nothing I say will change your mind, and I'm not particularly interested in doing so.

chris73 · « **Reply #194 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 15:41 »

Quote from: Tova on 07 Jul 2016, 15:25

What is there to say about your main point? You don't like one of the characters. That's your prerogative. You don't have to like her. Nothing I say will change your mind, and I'm not particularly interested in doing so.

Because posters on here seem to be ignoring that and instead focusing on why Faye is the way she is as if that renders my opinion of her invalid.

Tova · « **Reply #195 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 15:51 »

Your opinion is valid.

They disagree with it, and are explaining why. It's part of the deal of hanging around here, I'm afraid.

Like others, I would probably dislike Faye in person. But I find her story interesting to read. There are plenty of stories about people I outright detest, but that doesn't make them bad stories.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that you dislike her story; but you're criticising her, not her story as such. Maybe that's why some people are misunderstanding what you're saying.

Akima · « **Reply #196 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 15:52 »

Jeph's remark about moths made me wonder. Bubbles doesn't seem to be being illuminated from behind, so does she even have the lights on in the room? Can she see in the dark? It would make sense, considering the purpose for which she was originally designed.

Quote from: chris73 on 07 Jul 2016, 15:41

Because posters on here seem to be ignoring that and instead focusing on why Faye is the way she is as if that renders my opinion of her invalid.

Not invalid so much as, perhaps, uncharitable.

chris73 · « **Reply #197 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 16:05 »

Quote from: Tova on 07 Jul 2016, 15:51

Your opinion is valid.

They disagree with it, and are explaining why. It's part of the deal of hanging around here, I'm afraid.

Like others, I would probably dislike Faye in person. But I find her story interesting to read. There are plenty of stories about people I outright detest, but that doesn't make them bad stories.

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that you dislike her story; but you're criticising her, not her story as such. Maybe that's why some people are misunderstanding what you're saying.

That's a fair call, I guess I was trying to explain why I dislike Faye whereas, in hindsight, I probably should have just said I don't like the storyline and left it at that

chris73 · « **Reply #198 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 16:08 »

(mod edit: I fixed the quote tags, or at least I think I did)

Quote from: Akima

Quote from: chris73 on 07 Jul 2016, 15:41
Because posters on here seem to be ignoring that and instead focusing on why Faye is the way she is as if that renders my opinion of her invalid.
Not invalid so much as, perhaps, uncharitable.

Yes I can say how it could be seen as uncharitable but after her treatment of Marten, in particular, has left me feeling neutral towards. I know Marten should have stood up to Faye numerous times in the past and so has brought a lot of it on himself it still doesn't excuse Fayes bullying behaviour towards him

Mr. Skawronska · « **Reply #199 on:** 07 Jul 2016, 16:46 »

Yeah! What he said!

On a different note in the same chord, in today's comic, we see Faye's treatment of Marten has changed, but, in my opinion, not improved.

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