Topic: WCDT Strips 3366-3370 (5th-9th December 2016) (Read 47645 times)

BenRG · « **Reply #100 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 01:13 »

What Faye is aware of is that Corpse Witch is cruel and takes malicious delight in intimidating people and issuing dire threats. She also knows that Corpse Witch seems to prefer for Bubbles to be friendless and socially isolated (because she basically warned Faye off when Bubbles had a meltdown). I don't think it was unreasonable on Faye's part to assume that, if she had an alternative offered, Bubbles would far prefer to live somewhere else and not be around her boss anymore.

TinPenguin · « **Reply #101 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 01:43 »

Bubbles is the Church to Corpse Witch's Pate.

out of context that may be the weirdest sentence I've ever written

JimC · « **Reply #102 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 03:58 »

Quote from: J on 06 Dec 2016, 23:42

i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you.

Socialising with Faye is, what probably not even 5% of Bubbles' life. The other 95% is all around the skate park and the fights. Expecting her to walk away from 95% of her life because someone in the 5% has anger management problems is well...

BenRG · « **Reply #103 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 04:04 »

Quote from: JimC on 07 Dec 2016, 03:58

Quote from: J on 06 Dec 2016, 23:42
i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you.

Socialising with Faye is, what probably not even 5% of Bubbles' life. The other 95% is all around the skate park and the fights. Expecting here to walk away from 95% of her life because someone in the 5% has anger management problems is well...

You keep trying to make this about Faye and it isn't. Faye thought that she was trying to save Bubbles.

That aside, what did Bubbles do that was so terrible?

Method of Madness · « **Reply #104 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 04:12 »

Quote from: TinPenguin on 07 Dec 2016, 01:43

Bubbles is the Church to Corpse Witch's Pate.

Holy shit, I hope not!

brasca · « **Reply #105 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 04:52 »

Quote from: BenRG on 07 Dec 2016, 01:13

What Faye is aware of is that Corpse Witch is cruel and takes malicious delight in intimidating people and issuing dire threats. She also knows that Corpse Witch seems to prefer for Bubbles to be friendless and socially isolated (because she basically warned Faye off when Bubbles had a meltdown). I don't think it was unreasonable on Faye's part to assume that, if she had an alternative offered, Bubbles would far prefer to live somewhere else and not be around her boss anymore.

Is she? Corpse Witch is certainly manipulative, but she doesn't appear to go out of her way to be cruel. Bubbles is an asset to her organization so she's been undermining her growing confidence that the outside world isn't so bad. That's not good, but she doesn't appear to be getting any joy out of it. She docked Faye's pay for using her business to do repairs. Again this isn't good, but she could also be the kind of criminal who wants a piece of whatever action you got that is related to her business. And threatening May is protecting her interest since a convicted felon is the kind of target for police looking to leverage information so she has to threaten her with something worse than jail. Seriously it's nothing personal, just business. And while she is certainly bad if I had a choice I'd take Corpse Witch's company over Beatrice Ellicott-Chatham any day.

Hopefully, Faye will keep what May said in mind and not take this as an act of betrayal. If she seeks answers she might find out that Bubbles is being extorted or she stays in Corpse Witch's employment because it's her safe place.

J · « **Reply #106 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 05:12 »

Quote from: BenRG on 07 Dec 2016, 04:04

Quote from: JimC on 07 Dec 2016, 03:58
Quote from: J on 06 Dec 2016, 23:42
i rather disagree with the notion that if you quit your job over a disagreement with the boss, your coworkers are somehow obligated to quit along with you.

Socialising with Faye is, what probably not even 5% of Bubbles' life. The other 95% is all around the skate park and the fights. Expecting here to walk away from 95% of her life because someone in the 5% has anger management problems is well...

You keep trying to make this about Faye and it isn't. Faye thought that she was trying to save Bubbles.

where exactly are you getting that notion? her exact words are "I thought Bubbles would back me up. I thought we were friends". that's pretty clearly centered around faye, feeling as though she's been personally betrayed.

the fact that she needs may to explain how bubsy could 'just stand there' suggests that it hasn't even occured to faye yet that she might need saving.

OttawaJohn · « **Reply #107 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 06:28 »

I'm still just confused on how people are cheering at Faye suffering? I've read the forums for this week and unless lots of stuff is being removed or editied after, I've not seen that.

I see people saying they're glad a bit of reality is happening, where if you do things like Faye did, there are consequences. She has sometimes seemed to get way with everything that would normally get someone in trouble pretty fast.

Like someone else mentioned, I several times over the weekend wondered about Mondays comic and was concerned about the outcome, as I hate to see people suffer.

It's like simply not liking Faye's attitude and actions somehow means we hate her and want her in pain.

For the life of me, I am not able to understand why you can't have nuanced opinions.

You like Faye for the most part.
You think she has some horrible parts though. Like any Human really.
You celebrate her victories but don't like when her dark side shines through.
Some reality sets in, and you comment that 'well, that was bound to happen eventually'

Yet then it's translated to 'you all hate Faye.'

I guess it's part of rooting for the character. After all, why is no one raging against Faye for her sucker punch on a defenceless robot? Cause no one seems to like CW.

We saw no evidence of CW having superior strength or durability or weapons. Hell, she seem's physically weak, this could be like Faye decking Raven, not exactly a fair fight.

Yet no one freaked out.

Oh Humans, we're so fascinating

gprimr1 · « **Reply #108 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 06:55 »

Has anyone considered that possibly Bubbles likes working there? There might be things she doesn't like, but in the end she might have some enjoyment working there.

She may also simply not want to throw away a job that pays over an irrational overreaction.

The way I see this, COD forced Faye to face her alcoholism, could this force her to face her anger?

Faye seems to be an example of the idea of growth through adversity.

As much as I hate seeing her that way, I've also realized that for some people, that's how growth occurs. I've had many friends who refused to accept there was a problem until it really put them in a bad spot.

TheEvilDog · « **Reply #109 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 08:35 »

Quote from: gprimr1 on 07 Dec 2016, 06:55

Has anyone considered that possibly Bubbles likes working there? There might be things she doesn't like, but in the end she might have some enjoyment working there.

She may also simply not want to throw away a job that pays over an irrational overreaction.

Bear in mind as well that Bubbles was a combat unit, she has seen how straight up reckless behaviour can get people hurt or possibly killed. Faye might be her friend, but I suspect that Bubbles has lost enough friends to walk away from what she might perceive to be a stupid situation. And what Faye did was reckless and stupid.

NyxDarkness · « **Reply #110 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 09:45 »

To OttowaJohn:
Concerning your first two paragraphs: There have been multiple accounts of "Yeah, Faye gets what's coming to her!" or "It's about time!" People on the forum have been practically celebrating the fact that something bad is happening to Faye. We have seen people say, almost literally, that they hate Faye.

Concerning your last two paragraphs: Just because we don't like her actions doesn't mean that we have to wish ill things towards her.

General thoughts:
While I disagree with the notion that she thought she was saving Bubbles, Faye acted out of what she thought was righteousness . Sure, she went off half-cocked and didn't do as much good as she thought, but her reaction of punching CW was, in Faye's eyes, for the purpose of protecting May. It is not out of character for Faye to react violently, it's true, but she also has a noble streak which causes her to stick up for her friends. And while May and Faye might not be terribly close, it's unrealistic to expect that they would not be friends. They have a very large mutual friend group, and they must have spent some time together because of it.

USS Martenclaire · « **Reply #111 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 10:37 »

If I had to guess, something to do with her military service. If she was a murder suspect or other extremely serious civilian crime, then Raccoon would have immediately brought in additional police to arrest her. Whatever she did, there is an element of doubt, hence why Raccoon is sniffing for additional evidence.

gprimr1 · « **Reply #112 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 10:50 »

Maretenclaire might have a point. It may not even be something illegal. She mentions she lost people in combat, perhaps she was the one who survived and thus has survivors guilt? Or maybe she did something or didn't do something that lead to the loss, or didn't prevent the loss. Not that it would be illegal, but it would carry a lot of shame, thus making her easy to control.

I would like to see the story develop and possibly Bubbles admits to Faye what she's hiding, thus re-enforcing their friendship, and then Bubbles helps Faye to work on being less violent.

Kugai · « **Reply #113 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 12:09 »

I'm just hoping that this isn't the last we've seen of Bubbles. I like her, and she really has grown as a character since her introduction and becoming Fayes friend.

I think that maybe there is something to the speculation that CW 'Knows Things' about Bubbles that she'd rather not have others know - especially Faye. Whether this has to do with her days in the Military and the PTSD/Survivors Guilt she seems to carry around. or more to do with her recent history with CW and Fight Club, is something I hope Jeph is going to explore.

Faye: "Goddammit Bubbles TALK TO ME!"
Bubbles: "I've ...... seen and done things you wouldn't believe Faye."

J · « **Reply #114 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 13:44 »

she lit some attack ships on fire off the shoulder of orion?

NyxDarkness · « **Reply #115 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 13:50 »

I think too much time has gone into developing Bubbles as a character for Jeph just to write her out of the story like this. I hope this rocky spot comes out as a way to better relate to Bubbles, either for us, or for Faye and others to strengthen their bonds.

anahata · « **Reply #116 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 15:04 »

Quote from: gprimr1 on 07 Dec 2016, 10:50

She mentions she lost people in combat, perhaps she was the one who survived and thus has survivors guilt?

That's how I've always seen it.

Sullivan · « **Reply #117 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 16:31 »

Quote from: Kugai on 07 Dec 2016, 12:09

I think that maybe there is something to the speculation that CW 'Knows Things' about Bubbles that she'd rather not have others know - especially Faye. Whether this has to do with her days in the Military and the PTSD/Survivors Guilt she seems to carry around. or more to do with her recent history with CW and Fight Club, is something I hope Jeph is going to explore.

There's also the possibility that May "knows things", or has heard things, beyond what she's letting on. Maybe things that Faye wouldn't want to hear about her friend. Or maybe about Corpse Witch.

May spent time in "Robot Jail", after all, and it would be very surprising if she hadn't heard... you know, things.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #118 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 20:30 »

It would be very surprising if the rumor mill in Robot Jail was any more trustworthy than it is in human jails.

plusorminus · « **Reply #119 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 20:36 »

Quote from: brasca on 07 Dec 2016, 04:52

Is she? Corpse Witch is certainly manipulative, but she doesn't appear to go out of her way to be cruel. Bubbles is an asset to her organization so she's been undermining her growing confidence that the outside world isn't so bad. That's not good, but she doesn't appear to be getting any joy out of it. She docked Faye's pay for using her business to do repairs. Again this isn't good, but she could also be the kind of criminal who wants a piece of whatever action you got that is related to her business. And threatening May is protecting her interest since a convicted felon is the kind of target for police looking to leverage information so she has to threaten her with something worse than jail. Seriously it's nothing personal, just business. And while she is certainly bad if I had a choice I'd take Corpse Witch's company over Beatrice Ellicott-Chatham any day.

Hopefully, Faye will keep what May said in mind and not take this as an act of betrayal. If she seeks answers she might find out that Bubbles is being extorted or she stays in Corpse Witch's employment because it's her safe place.

This. I was sort of hoping that for a change, the Faye apologia would take breather but no such luck. Faye was happy to pocket the cash all this time of so-called "Corpse Witch" (really?) and May's ridiculous ass (full disclosure, I cannot STAND her) comes in and possibly opens the door up for the head Bot to be investigated, and instead of telling May to pipe down, Faye socks her boss? Uhm ...

Faye is a goon and she needs to get a grip and a clue. Nothing that she did there was righteous in any way.

I'm not sure about Bubbles. I think it's more that she sees Faye for what she is - an angry, self-entitled loose canon. Faye knows what the deal was with that job. It's strictly underground and there has been no breath that the head Bot was doing anything to put fighting droids in harm's way any more than they were doing themselves by boxing. The Head Bot got the cop off their case and May goes bitching about it and instead of Faye telling May to shut the fuck up, go home, and enjoy her new face, she lashes out. Bubbles may just have figured that Faye can't be too bright. I doubt the Head Bot might not know anything except that Bubbles was horribly scarred by her combat experience. She may be the Droid version of Brun's overprotective friend, but I don't see anyone cheering for her to get decked.

I'm sure Bubbles will be seen again. I'm sure that as usual, the Faye apologists will find ways for this to be everyone else's fault but hers.

Dust · « **Reply #120 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 20:52 »

Quote from: Method of Madness on 06 Dec 2016, 19:22

She'd been there before and got repaired for free without issue, she didn't know that Corpse Witch gave Faye shit for it later (and even that was more "oy, don't use company property, I'm docking your pay" and less "I'll have you tortured!"), so why would May be less than comfortable?

She most likely heard about it later off-panel... hell, it's May. The only reason she'd even deign to bring money is out of guilt, after hearing about the pay dockage.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #121 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 21:00 »

I don't think she did hear about the pay dockage, I just think she figured Faye did her a solid once and she doesn't want to seem like she's mooching by asking her to fix her for free again.

Gyrre · « **Reply #122 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 21:07 »

This whole mess is rather complicated, isn't it.

One thing Faye and I have in common (other than being a little overweight) is that when our friends are threatened, we go into 'guard dog mode'. Though, Faye is more 'immediately attack threat' while I'm more 'super alert mode + barking, step in if things look like they'll get physical'.

Side note: If Bubbles were a guard dog, she'd probably be a Caucasian shepherd dog (a.k.a. Caucasian Ovcharka or Bashan pariy)

MrNumbers · « **Reply #123 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 21:09 »

FAYE DIDN'T DENY SHE WANTED ROBOBABIES.

THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME.

Tova · « **Reply #124 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 21:13 »

I'm total sure that, with their construction savvy, they could totally make robobabies.

Quote from: plusorminus on 07 Dec 2016, 20:36

I'm sure Bubbles will be seen again. I'm sure that as usual, the Faye apologists will find ways for this to be everyone else's fault but hers.

That's very good. I now feel dreadful for being a Faye apologist.

I'm also a plusorminus apologist. I'm sure you're a decent person.

I hope you'll forgive me.

P.S. It's not about waving away or ignoring every dumb or evil thing she does, it's about hating the sin and not the sinner, so to speak.

hedgie · « **Reply #125 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 21:14 »

Well, next week looks like it's going to be interesting.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #126 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 21:20 »

Quote from: Gyrre on 07 Dec 2016, 21:07

(giant doggo)

I WANT ONE

Mr. Doctor · « **Reply #127 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 21:39 »

Goldblum bless us all.

BenRG · « **Reply #128 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 23:21 »

I think that the big revelation of this week so far has been how mature May can be when she wants to. This is something that we very rarely see from her and usually only when Dale or Momo threatens her! Now... what is the regretful fact of life that May has encountered that sucks? She seems to be speaking from a degree of experience here!

Finally... Given May's well known... fascination with reproductive and sexual biology, you can't help but wonder just how much thought she's put into 'robabies'!

Radium_Coyote · « **Reply #129 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 23:42 »

Hanners would find a way to MAKE that work, and squee while doing so.

There are more people in play, than the people in play, and everyone involved has friends they don't know they have.

oddtail · « **Reply #130 on:** 07 Dec 2016, 23:48 »

Quote from: plusorminus on 07 Dec 2016, 20:36

Faye was happy to pocket the cash all this time of so-called "Corpse Witch" (really?)

The phrasing is somewhat ambiguous, but I assume the "really?" refers to the "Corpse Witch" part. If I'm misinterpreting, I apologise.

If I'm not misinterpreting, on the other hand: you do realise that "Corpse Witch" is the nickname the author of the comic himself coined, right? And seeing as her real name has never been revealed, I don't see what other name we could reasonably use in the forum to refer to her.

neurocase · « **Reply #131 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 00:51 »

I know I ought not to, but I'm just going to skirt past the drama for the moment, and instead make steeplehands at the fact that Faye didn't immediately bounce up to defend herself and say that she doesn't want robobabies with Bubbles.

BenRG · « **Reply #132 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 01:31 »

I'm a die-hard Faybles shipper but even I can see that a plausible interpretation of today's strip is that Faye is too weirded out by the idea of 'robabies' to put together a half-way sane reply to May's words, no matter what she thinks of the idea!

brasca · « **Reply #133 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 05:20 »

Quote from: plusorminus on 07 Dec 2016, 20:36

She may be the Droid version of Brun's overprotective friend, but I don't see anyone cheering for her to get decked.

What forums have you been reading? Well in all seriousness I don't recall anyone advocating violence, but Rene is not well liked around here.

Am I alone in picturing the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future explaining how this could be accomplished in a very long winded story concluding "And that's where babies come from... for machines."

Sullivan · « **Reply #134 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 06:01 »

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 07 Dec 2016, 20:30

It would be very surprising if the rumor mill in Robot Jail was any more trustworthy than it is in human jails.

Wouldn't they use error correction?!

Seriously - I didn't say May would necessarily have heard accurate information. Just that it was likely she'd heard "things." Most likely, things about illegal robot-oriented goings-on on the outside. Like the Robot Fight Club. Or even about Bubbles. Maybe accurate, maybe not, but it would still be consistent with May's speech in 3368. "I heard something, but I don't think you wanna hear it."

(Whatever... it's clear that May has sincerely grown in empathy. Applause!)

JimC · « **Reply #135 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 08:46 »

Quote from: brasca on 08 Dec 2016, 05:20

"And that's where babies come from... for machines."

Actually I rather like the concept that a human and an AI are required to co-operate (as Asimov might have put it) in order for a new AI to be generated. In some mental rather than physical manner though. One speculation on AI generation might be that the new entity emerges as a combination of aspects of the mentality of two 'parents', so then if it were then possible to read those aspects of mentality from a human then a new AI could be an assimilation of meatspace and metalspace mental characteristics... Pretty sillly I suppose, but it was fun thinking about it!

Kugai · « **Reply #136 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 11:21 »

I'm liking May here, despite how she usually is, this shows a level of maturity here that is surprising consider how she is normally behaves. She might not like to admit it, but she's far more a deep thinker than she portrays.

Blood-Tree · « **Reply #137 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 12:18 »

Quote from: Tova on 06 Dec 2016, 21:53

Sounds a bit like someone is being taken advantage of.

I agree that seems to be a likely direction for this storyline. Although I had hoped that Bubbles's refusal to follow Faye was Actual Pacifism. I think that would be a more interesting option for character development than a Dark and Troubled Past followed by a revelation that Bubbles is The Atoner which is where this looks to be headed.

gprimr1 · « **Reply #138 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 13:53 »

It's possible, also possible that was an interrogation trick to see if Faye would let something slip.

If Faye accidentally says yes, she has something.

If Faye says no, and the officer is able to get some evidence, she can leverage Faye for lying to the police.

Is it cold in here? · « **Reply #139 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 17:03 »

For perspective let us remember that many people here have had some in their lives with faults like Faye's. Such people can cause lasting damage.

I hope she confronts her impulse control problems now. In my happy place The Pugnacious Peach would be both accountable and successful.

Perfectly Reasonable · « **Reply #140 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 17:49 »

I thought the purpose of Officer Basilisk was to show us that the Robot Fights would be around for the foreseeable future.

So now both Brün and Faye will be looking for work? poop.

Sullivan · « **Reply #141 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 19:09 »

I voted "other".

CW: "Have you a benediction for me, lassie?"
Faye: "Rollo Tomasi." (chuckles, then dies)

(I didn't really want this to happen, I just like that movie)

Gyrre · « **Reply #142 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 20:34 »

Quote from: Perfectly Reasonable on 08 Dec 2016, 17:49

I thought the purpose of Officer Basilisk was to show us that the Robot Fights would be around for the foreseeable future.So now both Brün and Faye will be looking for work? poop.

Perhaps they could work together?

Brun loves clocks, and I'd wager she can design them. Plus, Faye has the fabrication skills to assemble them.

EDIT: Maybe Bubbles knows where to legally get some discunt materials.

Mad Cat · « **Reply #143 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 20:55 »

Encryption key? What encryption key?

*Dun* *Dun* *DUN*

brasca · « **Reply #144 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 21:11 »

And now we know what Corpse Witch uses to control Bubbles. And it's good leverage since Bubbles had 2 breakdowns since we were first introduced to her. Without that encryption key she'd probably be worse than Hannelore without medication.

There is hope. If Faye finds out she can use her resources to replace the key. It might be above Marigold's expertise, but I'm sure Hannelore would know someone.

SomeCanadianWeirdo · « **Reply #145 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 21:13 »

I suspect CW will get Hannelored sooner or later. Whether it's our dear Ms. H. calling in her AI friends for help, or Corpse Witch being unable to resist Hanner's dangerous charm powers.

brasca · « **Reply #146 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 21:19 »

I have mixed feelings about that. It means Hannelore is the deus ex machina for resolving difficult situations because she has resources no one else has. I prefer her trying to live a normal life without having to call on her parents, especially her mother for favors.

Method of Madness · « **Reply #147 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 21:44 »

Or sometimes she's the deus ex machina just because she ENDS MESSES.

Zog · « **Reply #148 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 21:51 »

Quote from: Sullivan on 08 Dec 2016, 06:01

Quote from: Is it cold in here? on 07 Dec 2016, 20:30
It would be very surprising if the rumor mill in Robot Jail was any more trustworthy than it is in human jails.

Wouldn't they use error correction?!

Seriously - I didn't say May would necessarily have heard accurate information. Just that it was likely she'd heard "things." Most likely, things about illegal robot-oriented goings-on on the outside. Like the Robot Fight Club. Or even about Bubbles. Maybe accurate, maybe not, but it would still be consistent with May's speech in 3368. "I heard something, but I don't think you wanna hear it."

(Whatever... it's clear that May has sincerely grown in empathy. Applause!)

The "I heard something" line seems familiar but I can't find it now...?

jheartney · « **Reply #149 on:** 08 Dec 2016, 22:07 »

Maybe I'm slow, but I'm not entirely following what CW is threatening Bubbles with. Is it that the traumatic memories are only temporarily locked, and so if Bubbles leaves, the memories come back spontaneously? Or does CW have control over the memories, and can make Bubbles "remember" them remotely? Or does Bubbles want the memories, and CW is threatening that Bubbles will never get the memories back if she obsconds?

Also, who are these "people" that Bubbles took refuge with CW against? Did Bubbles run up gambling debts, or something? Or were the "people" from the Pentagon, looking to find Bubbles and bring her back to the military? Or at least steal her badass chassis?

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