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Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« on: 01 Jan 2017, 03:36 »

New year.  New month.  New poll.  And for me a new avatar.  I felt this was appropriate since Gavia is my favorite. 

Hopefully this strip will get back to 2 updates for week.  2016 was disappointing and I'm not all that enthusiastic about 2017 so I need some pick-me-ups. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #1 on: 01 Jan 2017, 04:44 »

Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #2 on: 01 Jan 2017, 04:55 »

Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

"What is this place, Alice?"

"HeLlo aNd agAiN wElcome to thE ApErture ScienCe ComPuTer-AIdeD EnrichMeNt CeNTeR..."

Possibly, but the scientists of the time when the bunker was sealed may not have developed working teleporters and while Ardent can upgrade certain technology I'm not sure what he could upgrade into a matter transporter.  Besides Alice seems to think that there are rocketships to be found in the bunkers and she'd know best since she was probably there at the time. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #3 on: 01 Jan 2017, 21:15 »

Jeph was saying on twtr that he has built up a 2wk QC buffer and had more than that scripted. hopefully he'll be able to spread some of that banked work over to alice

Edit: perhaps I'm being weird here, but rereading this cold it comes across back to me as sounding entitled, which was not my intention... Jeph of course is free to deploy the fruits of his industriousness in any way that works for him and I'm glad he's in a super-productive phase 👍
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #4 on: 08 Jan 2017, 08:16 »

This scene reminds of the passage from the old adventure game Space Quest II. The only (IIRC) way through a maze of tunnels was for the protagonist to keep a glowing gem in his mouth (something he first had to find from an underwater cave in the swamps).
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #5 on: 08 Jan 2017, 11:21 »

This scene reminds of the passage from the old adventure game Space Quest II. The only (IIRC) way through a maze of tunnels was for the protagonist to keep a glowing gem in his mouth (something he first had to find from an underwater cave in the swamps).

And it reminds me of Digger (TM) from 1983. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #6 on: 08 Jan 2017, 11:42 »

Mmm, sure its something of a platform game homage. Prince of Persia springs to mind. Watch out for spike traps children...
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #7 on: 08 Jan 2017, 12:06 »

This scene reminds of the passage from the old adventure game Space Quest II. The only (IIRC) way through a maze of tunnels was for the protagonist to keep a glowing gem in his mouth (something he first had to find from an underwater cave in the swamps).

And it reminds me of Digger (TM) from 1983. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAlxnHRoGfM

Or Dig Dug https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KroREmHLoKY

And while I can understand Alice's response I'd like an answer to that question.  The simple answer is the hangar door isn't buried so far deep underground, but it would take years to locate it. 

One thing I can conclude from looking at this is Sedna has recovered from her injuries to the extent that she can jump to the bottom of the shaft like Alice instead of using a ladder.  I also have to wonder if the damage we see is due to Alice punching a hole in the bunker or if it was like this at the time of the blink. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #8 on: 08 Jan 2017, 13:15 »

Launch silos probably; deep ones but nonetheless just silos. Think about the hardened Gunstar launch tubes in The Last Starfighter.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #9 on: 08 Jan 2017, 15:19 »

Probably using Magnetic Lauch Rails as well

And at least Alice is not being overly intimidated by Pate
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #10 on: 08 Jan 2017, 16:54 »

Perhaps Pate expects his super-strength servants to haul it all up. And Alice, seeing that's what's coming, is less than enthusiastic.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #11 on: 08 Jan 2017, 20:52 »

Why do we have a new thread every month again? (Yeah, I know I complain about forgetting to check every month)
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #12 on: 08 Jan 2017, 21:00 »

It was because Jeph originally made the comic for a once-a-week thing, so the decision was made to make the thread a monthly discussion thread.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #13 on: 08 Jan 2017, 21:03 »

I don't mean as opposed to weekly, I mean why not just have a single ongoing thread? Or maybe yearly since it's the first one of 2017.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #14 on: 08 Jan 2017, 22:30 »

After reading the latest Questionable Content I'm thinking they'll find a matter transporter that will malfunction and Gavia is sent back into the ancient past, but at least she has a job working for the MIB.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #15 on: 09 Jan 2017, 02:22 »

, I mean why not just have a single ongoing thread?
Kinda handy though ifyou want to go back and look at discussion related to a particular issue or even follow a story arc.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #16 on: 09 Jan 2017, 02:37 »

After reading the latest Questionable Content I'm thinking they'll find a matter transporter that will malfunction and Gavia is sent back into the ancient past, but at least she has a job working for the MIB.

It's been absolutely established by Jeph (repeatedly) that AG and QC are separate universes.

That said, I wouldn't say no if we start seeing the cross-dimensional counterparts of the same characters the way David M Willis uses characters from his two continuities - The same people living different lives in different worlds. How different would Gavia be if she was born on Earth in a world where synthetic AIs and biological intelligences lived, if not in harmony, at least in peace?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #17 on: 09 Jan 2017, 05:09 »

I know, but it's still fun to imagine.  And the resemblance is just too uncanny to just dismiss it without a comment. 

Somehow I can see a Gavia doppleganger being a potential love interest for Clinton.  They both like augmenting themselves with machinery.  Perhaps they'd meet in a waiting room awaiting the next upgrade. 

Why do we have a new thread every month again? (Yeah, I know I complain about forgetting to check every month)

Seeing as how it's been this way since the start I don't see why changing it is necessary. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #18 on: 09 Jan 2017, 05:57 »

The weekly QC threads cover 5 strips; the monthly Alice threads initially covered 8 strips, but that's currently 4 until such time as a bi-weekly schedule resumes, if it does.  Seems reasonable parity of treatment to me.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #19 on: 09 Jan 2017, 06:51 »

It's been absolutely established by Jeph (repeatedly) that AG and QC are separate universes.
Maybe it's the same multiverse, and the pre-Blink is the QCverse (with the Blink happening quite some time, possibly thousands of years, after QC).

Also me wanting a yearly thread instead of monthly is just me being lazy and forgetful, no need to pay it any mind.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #20 on: 09 Jan 2017, 14:18 »

, I mean why not just have a single ongoing thread?
Kinda handy though ifyou want to go back and look at discussion related to a particular issue or even follow a story arc.

And it allows us to have a new Poll every month  :-D
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #21 on: 09 Jan 2017, 15:18 »

You can edit polls :P But fair enough.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #22 on: 09 Jan 2017, 15:32 »

Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

"What is this place, Alice?"

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Possibly, but the scientists of the time when the bunker was sealed may not have developed working teleporters and while Ardent can upgrade certain technology I'm not sure what he could upgrade into a matter transporter.  Besides Alice seems to think that there are rocketships to be found in the bunkers and she'd know best since she was probably there at the time.

I assumed that Alice used to throw them up into orbit.  We know that she can Punch holes in reinforced concrete, jump thouands of feet in the air, and take incredible impacts. Why can't she just throw things into near-earth orbit?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #23 on: 09 Jan 2017, 16:08 »

Not a 'rocketship' but some means to get to the space habitats in a way that is actually obvious in hindsight like a point-to-point teleporter or portal generator. Remember that Ardent got to Earth thanks to the cooperation of an 'operator'. That doesn't sound like they necessarily need a classical spacecraft of some kind.

Either that or something entirely out of left field.

"What is this place, Alice?"

"HeLlo aNd agAiN wElcome to thE ApErture ScienCe ComPuTer-AIdeD EnrichMeNt CeNTeR..."

Possibly, but the scientists of the time when the bunker was sealed may not have developed working teleporters and while Ardent can upgrade certain technology I'm not sure what he could upgrade into a matter transporter.  Besides Alice seems to think that there are rocketships to be found in the bunkers and she'd know best since she was probably there at the time.

I assumed that Alice used to throw them up into orbit.  We know that she can Punch holes in reinforced concrete, jump thouands of feet in the air, and take incredible impacts. Why can't she just throw things into near-earth orbit?

Interesting theory, but Alice intended to go into orbit with Ardent and Gavia so she could see what the praeses are planning which she couldn't do if she just tossed a capsule into space with them inside.  She must know something about piloting a spaceship. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #24 on: 09 Jan 2017, 20:27 »

Has the link to Alice Grove disappeared from the QC main paige?

I can't find it. :psyduck:
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #25 on: 09 Jan 2017, 21:45 »

It apparently has disappeared...
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #26 on: 10 Jan 2017, 13:44 »

Has anyone noticed that QC's subject matter is starting more and more to resemble Alice's? The universes may be forever separate but the genres are merging.
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« Reply #27 on: 10 Jan 2017, 14:51 »

Convergence is upon us.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #28 on: 10 Jan 2017, 18:10 »

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #29 on: 11 Jan 2017, 06:43 »

The universes may be forever separate
Forever is a very long time.
You mean, "Forever is a mighty long time," right?

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #30 on: 11 Jan 2017, 07:40 »

...no? Nighty? Huh?

(Even if you meant mighty, I'm missing the reference)
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« Reply #31 on: 11 Jan 2017, 12:11 »

...no? Nighty? Huh?

(Even if you meant mighty, I'm missing the reference)
I'd say to go ask the purple guy about the quote, but sadly the elevator broke him down.

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« Reply #32 on: 11 Jan 2017, 21:17 »

Someone else feel like explaining?
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« Reply #33 on: 11 Jan 2017, 22:06 »

Anyone else notice the Alice Grove link has disappeared off the QC Home Page?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #34 on: 11 Jan 2017, 22:07 »

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #35 on: 12 Jan 2017, 07:54 »

Looks like Church didn't use the ladder but used his here--  ?  -->there deal to move from one to the other.     

Still wonder how much else he can actually do, how much they need Alice et al to do everything else.   

Although it's pretty clear Alice doesn't want to get into any sorts of physical altercations with him either way.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #36 on: 13 Jan 2017, 09:58 »

Looks like Church didn't use the ladder but used his here--  ?  -->there deal to move from one to the other.

Or he is carefuly watching Alice and Sedna to be sure they don't kill Pate on the way down, before following.

Also, wow, that is a slow conversation.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #37 on: 13 Jan 2017, 19:21 »

Maybe Alice was trying to think of a good comeback, but after so many minutes the best she could come up with was "go fuck yourself."
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #38 on: 14 Jan 2017, 22:15 »

Just thought I'd mention that the layout of the underground strip reminds me of the labyrinth levels of the old "Beyond Dark Castle" game. We'll have to see if they run into any mutants, rats or snakes.

And yes, the Alice Grove link has gone from the Questionable Content current page. It's still there if you go to a previous strip page, though.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #39 on: 15 Jan 2017, 06:12 »

Hi everyone - hope I can contribute to the topic, as soon as I get my thoughts together :)

I can still see the picture-link (Alice Grove in a box with green background) to the comic below the actual QC strip, though.

: I give it a try, for the "No rocketship but answers to our many questions"-point. I don't see why there should be a rocket in this bunker exactly, as there should be plenty of them left from the pre-blink era (if not collapsed or otherwise destroyed). Sure enough, not all bunkers have been build for the purpose of launching rockets, if they just found one of these - okay, but it would be hell of a coincidence.

I rather believe they'll find the remains of a command center or something like that, probably with a defunct computer system which has the last message of one of the officials stored on it. If there were some left after the blink, which probably "removed" all of the subjects responsible and/or needed for the matter of fighting (technicians, engineers, and so on), they probably left a message - if the machinery was still operable (as told in an earlier strip, a lot of stuff didn't work anymore after the blink) for those who came afterwards.

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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #40 on: 15 Jan 2017, 13:32 »

I can still see the picture-link (Alice Grove in a box with green background) to the comic below the actual QC strip, though.

That's odd because that was the Link I was meaning when I Posted and it seems to have disappeared on the Homepage for me.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #41 on: 15 Jan 2017, 18:09 »

Comic up. Looks like they've found an orbiter. Now, I think i'd be a little leery of jumping into a 5000 year old spacecraft; not sure what the condition of the rubber seals would be. They'd also need to replace all the batteries and retest all the electronics. And that's without considering getting it fueled, and the rocket motors tested.

One literal ray of light seems to be coming from in front of the craft. Could those be hanger doors?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #42 on: 15 Jan 2017, 18:18 »

Comic up. Looks like they've found an orbiter. Now, I think i'd be a little leery of jumping into a 5000 year old spacecraft; not sure what the condition of the rubber seals would be. They'd also need to replace all the batteries and retest all the electronics. And that's without considering getting it fueled, and the rocket motors tested.

One literal ray of light seems to be coming from in front of the craft. Could those be hanger doors?

Ardent's upgrade should fix any decay.

I think that's the super flashlight. If not those archaeophiles went to a lot of extra trouble.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #43 on: 15 Jan 2017, 20:40 »

What do you say when you find three holes in the ground?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #44 on: 15 Jan 2017, 23:20 »

Humph! Just a common-or-garden Earth-to-Orbit SSTO shuttle. Oh well, I suppose that there's something to be said for the classics.

Are... we allowed to call their floaty light thingy 'Navi'?
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #45 on: 16 Jan 2017, 05:06 »

I suppose it goes without saying that Pate is arrogant.  Having Church knock down the door like that risked crushing the very thing he seeks, but I seeing as how Ardent's ability seems to rearrange the very structure of the thing he touches I suppose it doesn't matter and he knows it. 

So we can confirm that there is a spaceship in the bunker, but it being so deep underground it seems like it might not be launched through a silo.  Perhaps the people of the past used matter transporters to beam warships directly into space. 
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #46 on: 16 Jan 2017, 10:06 »

Are those charger cables or fuel lines leading to the belly of the rocket/shuttle/orbiter/whatnot? You would think that anything flammable has evaporated ages ago. Possibly leaving some gunk behind.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #47 on: 16 Jan 2017, 10:51 »


Comic up. Looks like they've found an orbiter. Now, I think i'd be a little leery of jumping into a 5000 year old spacecraft; not sure what the condition of the rubber seals would be. They'd also need to replace all the batteries and retest all the electronics. And that's without considering getting it fueled, and the rocket motors tested.

One literal ray of light seems to be coming from in front of the craft. Could those be hanger doors?
Alice, Sedna, and Church are all at least 5000 years old, and they work just fine.  Whatever the pre-blink finks were or did, they sure built to last...

Ardent's upgrade should fix any decay.

I think that's the super flashlight. If not those archaeophiles went to a lot of extra trouble.
Ooooh...Ardent's nano-upgrade tool applied to a near-earth orbiter.  FTL transport, here we come!
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #48 on: 16 Jan 2017, 11:16 »

So we finally get to see Church directly break something big.    Rather curious Pate hadn't already just used him to retrieve this  (since Church's bulldozing ability might seem to make Alice and Sedna not necessary).  I guess something about Gavia and/or Ardent presented an opportunity or timing that didn't exist before.   Or maybe Pate just wanted to use Alice and Sedna like he's using Church,  as resources for...  something else.      The way the door is bypassed doesn't look like knocking the entire thing backwards at high speed.   A more surgical, get the door out of the way sort of thing.  Relying on Ardent in case a flying door hit a shuttle seems more than just arrogant and risky, seems foolish.  After all, instancing a flashlight into a floating light  isn't necessarily like magically repairing a smashed and crushed orbital shuttle.   Even if Pate thinks Ardent is capable, why test it, especially if this is the only well-preserved "easily" reachable shuttle.

There might be some other exit that used to open where ships could fly from or be launched out of, unless one part of all the Blink stuff was some other kind of ultra high-tech way of getting ships out from an hour's walk down.  Although given that the group had to physically take that hour to move down - and that there was a path to do so - at least suggests a more mundane physical answer.   Seems impractical to use cranes to lift them out, and too lengthy to disassemble and reassemble by pieces after all.      If the answer is there is some other exit for vehicles, it seems likely currently not easily reachable for actual ship-launching purposes.    That would seem to be a reason that Pate would need some large amount of assistance aside from Church to retrieve it, although of course retrieving it is just the first step of many that might need much more help even.
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Re: Alice Grove MCDLT - January 2017
« Reply #49 on: 16 Jan 2017, 12:43 »

If the answer is there is some other exit for vehicles, it seems likely currently not easily reachable for actual ship-launching purposes.

The underground "shuttle bay" looks like it could end in a mountain side-type exit/entryway - I guess this type of shuttle does not need to get propelled into orbit by a rocket, but provides the power by itself (guessing by the size of the booster exhausts). There could have been many of those ships, this shuttle bay looks huge... Other question: Why did the blink miss this ship and/or why is there exactly one ship left in this bunker, connected to those fuel lines/wires/whatever? If the blink was instantaneous, wouldn't there be many of those orbiters and if not, why is there a mile-long tunnel for a single ship underground?

: Oh, I missed the other ship which is covered by somethin on the right in the last panel - guess there are more ships left ^^
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