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[Gyrre]

For Renee, I'm expecting more along the lines of a dressing-down

In real life, judging by my own experience in the food trade, it would be "Hey ho, just another day at the office". I've seen weirder things than that happen goodness knows how many times.

But it's usually the customers being weird.

So glad I finally got out of the service industry.

[Zebediah]

Comic's up.

And yes, Renee, that totally is the lesson.

[shanejayell]

I'm glad that Jim brought up the 'that could be sexual harassment' thing to her. Was funny too.

[jheartney]

"...shouldn't be allowed to interact with other humans." Renee shows a glimmer of self-awareness. Huzzah.

[Perfectly Reasonable]

...  If Brun knows anything about baking, she might eventually end up with renee's position

And wearing the Kiki bow again!

[brasca]

"...shouldn't be allowed to interact with other humans." Renee shows a glimmer of self-awareness. Huzzah.

I'll say it again.  I think this is why she and Brun are friends.  They both have problems interacting with people.  Perhaps that's how they met. 

[BenRG]

To me the important lesson is the complete wrongheadedness of automatic categorisations of actions as certain forms of offence. I mean, it's pretty clear that Renee didn't even think of that and so do lots of people  so accused. All pursuing it does is create grievance that makes it more likely that the next time it is done with malice.

As to what Renee does think of in panel 4? Well, that's kind of worrying; there is a lot of undirected anger there. Maybe that's the problem in the end. She's always been bad at judging boundaries and treating people in the right way. In  the end, she's just given up and decided to respond on reflex. If this goof teaches her nothing at all, it might be to encourage her to try to start thinking ahead again. Jim was right in leaving it at "think about what you're doing next time."

"...shouldn't be allowed to interact with other humans." Renee shows a glimmer of self-awareness. Huzzah.

I'll say it again.  I think this is why she and Brun are friends.  They both have problems interacting with people.  Perhaps that's how they met. 

Just because people have different behavioural issues doesn't mean that this is what brings them together.

[Shjade]

Probably not because being begged to remove her blouse is far more threatening to a woman than it could possibly be for a man.

"Threatening" isn't the point.

"Creates an uncomfortable/potentially hostile workplace" is the point. It puts Elliot in the position of needing to consider what potential consequences refusing could have on his job/continued working relationship with Renee, etc.

There's a reason laws about this kind of thing exist, and while it is often for the protection of women, it isn't exclusively for women.

[JimC]

I've seen weirder things than that happen goodness knows how many times.

But it's usually the customers being weird.

You must have worked with a much more head screwed on bunch than me then.

Although I think few of us would have objected to labels like unconventional or eccentric.

[brasca]

To me the important lesson is the complete wrongheadedness of automatic categorisations of actions as certain forms of offence. I mean, it's pretty clear that Renee didn't even think of that and so do lots of people  so accused. All pursuing it does is create grievance that makes it more likely that the next time it is done with malice.

As to what Renee does think of in panel 4? Well, that's kind of worrying; there is a lot of undirected anger there. Maybe that's the problem in the end. She's always been bad at judging boundaries and treating people in the right way. In  the end, she's just given up and decided to respond on reflex. If this goof teaches her nothing at all, it might be to encourage her to try to start thinking ahead again. Jim was right in leaving it at "think about what you're doing next time."

"...shouldn't be allowed to interact with other humans." Renee shows a glimmer of self-awareness. Huzzah.

I'll say it again.  I think this is why she and Brun are friends.  They both have problems interacting with people.  Perhaps that's how they met. 

Just because people have different behavioural issues doesn't mean that this is what brings them together.

No, but there is quite the possibility that she was out with a group and having difficulty mingling and the only other having as many problems was Brun. 

[Akima]

I mean, it's pretty clear that Renee didn't even think of that and so do lots of people  so accused.

What people think about their own actions, or fail to think about them, is not authoritative or decisive in deciding whether they are offensive or acceptable to others.

Good "counselling" from Jim though. Focus on the behaviour, not the individual. Self-flagellation is not required.

[jheartney]

Just because people have different behavioural issues doesn't mean that this is what brings them together.

in my experience it's precisely social interaction problems that bring together social outcasts. It explained nearly all of my high school social milieu.

This isn't to say it's a bad thing. Brun and Renee probably benefit each other, at least when Renee isn't trying to bigfoot Brun's friendship choices.

[Kugai]

*Singsong Voice*

Renee's got a cru-ush
Renee's got a cru-ush

[Storel]

Good "counselling" from Jim though. Focus on the behaviour, not the individual. Self-flagellation is not required.

Yes, for what it's worth I think Jim handled that just right, probably because it's a small enough business that he knows both of the people involved pretty well.

[WareWolf]

Good "counselling" from Jim though. Focus on the behaviour, not the individual. Self-flagellation is not required.

As an attorney, I can tell you that a "hostile environment" sexual harassment claim CAN be brought based on one incident, but it's a lot less likely to be successful, especially if management takes the step of counseling the offender. Here's the EEOC position:

Petty slights, annoyances, and isolated incidents (unless extremely serious) will not rise to the level of illegality. To be unlawful, the conduct must create a work environment that would be intimidating, hostile, or offensive to reasonable people.

AND:

Although the law doesn’t prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not very serious, harassment is illegal when it is so frequent or severe that it creates a hostile or offensive work environment or when it results in an adverse employment decision (such as the victim being fired or demoted).

You could certainly make the argument that asking another employee to disrobe is pretty serious, but given the immediate reaction by upper management, it'd be a tough case to prevail on.

And yes, if Elliot had asked it of Renee, it wouldn't be funny. But he didn't. She did, and it's so incongruous that I at least was amused. And I don't even like Renee very much.

[Baphomet]

I've seen weirder things than that happen goodness knows how many times.

But it's usually the customers being weird.

Strongly disagree. Semi-relatedly, I had a food service job with a young female coworker who always did dishes topless.

[MaxAxe]

I am just going to leave this here: I quit reading this comic. I liked the androids, I liked the people, and I liked the kindness. I do not care for the way that the author portrays men; because I'm not trying to troll, or argue, I will not be any more specific.

Sorry, not sorry, just disappointed.

It was fun while it lasted.

[pwhodges]

So you're prepared to tell us that you don't like something, but not what you don't like.  That makes it about you and not the comic; so as we don't know you, I guess there's nothing more to discuss here.

But if you change your mind and decide to reveal the secret reason for your dislike, then I'm sure people will be interested to discuss it.

[Zebediah]

Jeph doesn't portray "men". He portrays individuals, some of whom happen to be men. The male characters in QC display a range of personalities and motivations, just like the female characters do. So saying you don't like the way Jeph portrays "men" means nothing because they are no more a monolithic block in QC than they are in the real world.

[Kugai]

[shanejayell]

And honestly, signing up to a board to JUST say you're leaving the fandom? Really? 

[cesium133]

And honestly, signing up to a board to JUST say you're leaving the fandom? Really? 

Hi, I'm brand new here. Goodbye forever.

[Thrudd]

It is the Captain Spalding gambit - Hello I must be going.

[Gyrre]

I've seen weirder things than that happen goodness knows how many times.

But it's usually the customers being weird.

You must have worked with a much more head screwed on bunch than me then.

Although I think few of us would have objected to labels like unconventional or eccentric.

I worked at a Walmart for a few years. I've also worked at a McDonald's and a Dollar General.
Though, there's a special term for some shoppers; 'Walmartians'. A portmanteau of 'Walmart' and 'martian'.

[hakko504]

I've seen weirder things than that happen goodness knows how many times.

But it's usually the customers being weird.

You must have worked with a much more head screwed on bunch than me then.

Although I think few of us would have objected to labels like unconventional or eccentric.

I worked at a Walmart for a few years. I've also worked at a McDonald's and a Dollar General.
Though, there's a special term for some shoppers; 'Walmartians'. A portmanteau of 'Walmart' and 'martian'.

After looking at the site www.peopleofwalmart.com a couple of times I can clearly understand what you mean. Some of the stuff posted there is weird. Really Weird.