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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #50 on: 12 Mar 2018, 15:24 »

Do you know whether police are allowed to drink in partial uniform?

I looked it up. It seems that the State Police have a regulation against drinking on duty (which makes sense), but I saw no rule about drinking in uniform while off-duty.

That settles that, then! Good.  :police:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #51 on: 12 Mar 2018, 17:50 »

Partying with your mates is how you build esprit de corps. It's a key element in Silent Möbius, and the reason my SM based character has 'carousing'.

As for 'getting crunked', see Martian packet, Christmas-tree packet.


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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #52 on: 12 Mar 2018, 20:12 »

Comic!

Gods... Clinton and Rocko combined is like a black hole of awkwardness. Panache is drawn into their orbit, cannot escape and is utterly obliterated.
That they both have really good intentions most of the time just makes them more tragic.
Loving this arc!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #53 on: 12 Mar 2018, 20:35 »

You know, I'm starting to wonder about the bars that AI visit.

Do they go to specialised bars, catering to their tastes? Or do they go to already established bars that have adapted to the new potential clientele?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #54 on: 12 Mar 2018, 20:40 »

Good lord I just cycled back a few strips and their beers were just USB drives am I the only one that didn't notice that
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #55 on: 12 Mar 2018, 21:01 »

Good lord I just cycled back a few strips and their beers were just USB drives am I the only one that didn't notice that

Okay, has anyone noticed that they aren’t drinking from glasses, those are USB ports.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #56 on: 12 Mar 2018, 21:02 »

I've been a fool
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #57 on: 12 Mar 2018, 21:07 »

That was awkward. ;)

Comic!

Gods... Clinton and Rocko combined is like a black hole of awkwardness. Panache is drawn into their orbit, cannot escape and is utterly obliterated.
That they both have really good intentions most of the time just makes them more tragic.
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Don't even need software for awkwardness. 100% natural product.  :mrgreen:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #58 on: 12 Mar 2018, 21:53 »

Roko is like the AI equivalent of Cosette. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #59 on: 12 Mar 2018, 22:19 »

I can't help thinking that the friends that Clinton mentions are Claire/Marten/Faye and he's on his way over to their place. And that somehow Roko will end up coming along too with very entertaining results.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #60 on: 12 Mar 2018, 22:46 »

And Clint continues rescuing the ladies.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #61 on: 12 Mar 2018, 22:58 »

Tripping twice within 20 seconds? What's in this "booze software"??

And is there any way of downloading it?  :-P
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #62 on: 12 Mar 2018, 23:36 »

I just want to say, if you're embarassed about how drunk you are?

The worst possible thing you can do is 'be on duty'. That's the difference between being awkward and being fired, Roko.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #63 on: 12 Mar 2018, 23:52 »

Purely IMO, I think that we're getting an insight into Roko's personality here. She has her weaknesses and troubles (loneliness being one of the most significant) and, I think, is rather defensive about having any at all. That's what today's all about by the way: "I'm not vulnerable! I'm tough! I'm in charge! GRRR!" It sort of makes sense of her every appearance when I think about it.

So, was the booze software harder to close and stop all processes than Roko thought or is she simply not used to her new ankle joint yet? The curious want to know!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #64 on: 12 Mar 2018, 23:57 »

I think she was simply distracted and flustered this time. Due, as you say, to the defensiveness she has just put up.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #65 on: 13 Mar 2018, 00:00 »

At least try to catch the poor women, Clin-ton!

Well, lloks like we can postpone upgrading the love-triangle to a love square/llove little dipper.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #66 on: 13 Mar 2018, 00:14 »

I'm sure there will be loads of speculation in the meantime!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #67 on: 13 Mar 2018, 00:49 »

I'm sure there will be loads of speculation in the meantime!

If there's one thing this forum is good at, it's speculating wildly using fragments of maybe-truths and assumptions based on very little information.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #68 on: 13 Mar 2018, 01:41 »

Shame Clinton is not a Constitutionalist. He is under no obligation to give his name or explain his presence unless Officer Roko can articulate reasonable suspicion he has/is/will commit a crime.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #69 on: 13 Mar 2018, 02:03 »

Just curious - why is it a shame that Clinton feels no reason to hide his identity or what he's doing?  Is a world with less suspicion and paranoia a bad thing for some reason?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #70 on: 13 Mar 2018, 02:52 »

Good lord I just cycled back a few strips and their beers were just USB drives am I the only one that didn't notice that
I missed that one too; this is my main reason for reading this forum! Thank you!

As for the poll: I voted Momo, with the old 'chibi' frame in mind. I am glad for her she has a more useful frame now, but she won me over as the little chibi AnthroPC. Handing Marigold the requested squirrel when asked, after an unseen but epic battle was the stuff of legends...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #71 on: 13 Mar 2018, 04:36 »

Good lord I just cycled back a few strips and their beers were just USB drives am I the only one that didn't notice that

Well thank you for pointing that out. I had originally thought that to be a hip flask.

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In a previous comic Pintsize or May emulated drunkenness by down cycling their processors (no idea how to search for that specific comic). Maybe robot booze is junk instructions so that their processors get clogged up and the AI "simulation" slows down?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #72 on: 13 Mar 2018, 05:34 »

Presumably the intoxication software has some sort of time limit built in; probably even a series of steps in which it has less effect as the limit is approached.  Human intoxication has an effect which varies according to adaptation to the amount of its use; I wonder if the robots go that far in simulating it.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #73 on: 13 Mar 2018, 05:41 »

Random thought spurred by the last two comics; I wonder if there's some radical group of robots/AI's who would view Clinton's robotic hand as a form of "cultural appropriation", or perhaps even as a form of slavery?

I'm not saying Roko would be like that, just that the circumstances made me think of that.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #74 on: 13 Mar 2018, 05:42 »

Presumably the intoxication software has some sort of time limit built in; probably even a series of steps in which it has less effect as the limit is approached.  Human intoxication has an effect which varies according to adaptation to the amount of its use; I wonder if the robots go that far in simulating it.

I'm not sure. It looks to me that the AI can actually consciously terminate the 'drunk' process although 'terminate after x clock cycles' would be a reasonable second-level fail-safe.

I'm wondering if, for synthetics, intoxication has the same basic motivation as it has in humans - Wanting to suppress inhibitions and disrupt cognition so that you don't have to think so much about your problems.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #75 on: 13 Mar 2018, 05:44 »

Random thought spurred by the last two comics; I wonder if there's some radical group of robots/AI's who would view Clinton's robotic hand as a form of "cultural appropriation", or perhaps even as a form of slavery?

I'm not saying Roko would be like that, just that the circumstances made me think of that.

Alternatively, they could view as something akin to an organ transplant.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #76 on: 13 Mar 2018, 06:50 »

Random thought spurred by the last two comics; I wonder if there's some radical group of robots/AI's who would view Clinton's robotic hand as a form of "cultural appropriation", or perhaps even as a form of slavery?

I'm not saying Roko would be like that, just that the circumstances made me think of that.

Given that the hand has an autonomous mode, the slavery option seems a bit more plausible to me.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #77 on: 13 Mar 2018, 07:00 »

Poor Roko. :D

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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #78 on: 13 Mar 2018, 07:32 »

Random thought spurred by the last two comics; I wonder if there's some radical group of robots/AI's who would view Clinton's robotic hand as a form of "cultural appropriation", or perhaps even as a form of slavery?

I'm not saying Roko would be like that, just that the circumstances made me think of that.

Or they might view it the opposite way, and accept Clinton as being one of them. Or at least closer to them than the average human.

Given the diversity of AI thought and behavior, there's room for both extremes in the QCverse.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #79 on: 13 Mar 2018, 07:35 »

Random thought spurred by the last two comics; I wonder if there's some radical group of robots/AI's who would view Clinton's robotic hand as a form of "cultural appropriation", or perhaps even as a form of slavery?

I'm not saying Roko would be like that, just that the circumstances made me think of that.

Given that the hand has an autonomous mode, the slavery option seems a bit more plausible to me.

Autonomous doesn't necessarily mean sentient. It's very unlikely that the designers of the prosthetic trapped a full AI inside that would only be utilised in rare cases at it's owners behest. That seems overcomplicated and expensive, along with being morally reprehensible. The autonomous mode seems to behave more like a pet.

So probably not robo-slavery, but he may want to watch out for robo-PETA. SETR maybe? Sentients for the Ethical Treatment of Robots?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #80 on: 13 Mar 2018, 10:01 »

Just to be clear, I wasn't claiming an accusation of robo-slavery was plausible, but that the idea of someone making that accusation was plausible.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #81 on: 13 Mar 2018, 10:23 »

An extreme radical robot freedom group would argue that robots' own limbs were slaves and should be emancipated. This would in turn inspire a human right-brain liberation movement, members of which would have their corpus callosum severed and insist that each side of their bodies was now a distinct person with its own rights. They would, however be limited in their proselytization efforts by their belief that language is an ideological tool of the ruling left-brain hegemony.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #82 on: 13 Mar 2018, 11:19 »

Random thought spurred by the last two comics; I wonder if there's some radical group of robots/AI's who would view Clinton's robotic hand as a form of "cultural appropriation", or perhaps even as a form of slavery?

I'm not saying Roko would be like that, just that the circumstances made me think of that.

Or they might view it the opposite way, and accept Clinton as being one of them. Or at least closer to them than the average human.

Given the diversity of AI thought and behavior, there's room for both extremes in the QCverse.

I had hoped AIs were above all the over sensitivity and knee jerk reactions currently affecting humanity, but seeing how Bubbles reacted to Evie’s thesis I fear they’re just as bad as us.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #83 on: 13 Mar 2018, 16:00 »

Early comic is early. Sorry.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #84 on: 13 Mar 2018, 16:16 »

I don't follow - how does losing power make the comic early?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #85 on: 13 Mar 2018, 16:19 »

He mentioned on his twitter that he posted it from his cell phone, which still had power (at least until the battery runs out).
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #86 on: 13 Mar 2018, 16:25 »

Well, the comic answered my question about AI bars.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #87 on: 13 Mar 2018, 16:43 »

Clinton's hand... So, it's reminding me of either a) Michael Jackson's glove, b) a clown costume or c) surgical gloves.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #88 on: 13 Mar 2018, 17:22 »

Hey, we’re at the Horrible Rev. If memory serves Brun works there now. Haven’t seen her in a while. The whole Clinton-Brun-Elliot love tesseract thing got dropped rather abruptly last time, so maybe we’ll get back to it for a while.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #89 on: 13 Mar 2018, 18:13 »

What's that thing about Canadians & apologizing?  :psyduck:

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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #90 on: 13 Mar 2018, 20:21 »

I'm starting to wonder about that ankle joint. Maybe Roko isn't used to it yet?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #91 on: 13 Mar 2018, 21:55 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #92 on: 13 Mar 2018, 22:40 »

Does trying to be more inclusive mean they've done away with the old time dress code?  Or maybe it's casual Friday. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #93 on: 13 Mar 2018, 23:15 »

Shame Clinton is not a Constitutionalist. He is under no obligation to give his name or explain his presence unless Officer Roko can articulate reasonable suspicion he has/is/will commit a crime.

- Whats your name, citizen?
- I do not wish to give you my name unless I am being detained.
- What are you doing out so late?
- Am I being detained?
-Hm. Right. Well. Carry on then.
- I don't need your permission.

Purely IMO, I think that we're getting an insight into Roko's personality here. She has her weaknesses and troubles (loneliness being one of the most significant) and, I think, is rather defensive about having any at all. That's what today's all about by the way: "I'm not vulnerable! I'm tough! I'm in charge! GRRR!" It sort of makes sense of her every appearance when I think about it.

An attitude far too common among police officers today, seemingly.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #94 on: 13 Mar 2018, 23:37 »

Is that what constitutionalist means? Strikes me as a touch churlish, to be frank.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #95 on: 14 Mar 2018, 00:07 »

You know, every time I see the character of Elliott, it's fascinating how Jeph contrasts his huge physical size with his gentle and retiring nature. He's just a genuinely sweet guy and the fact that he can't stop apologising for wrongs (real or imaginary - remember that Clinton originally started the confrontation that led to Robohand Mk1's fate) just adds to it.

I can imagine there being a funny arc in store where Clinton and Brun (with Renee along to provide acidic commentary) try to get Elliott to be less unnecessarily apologetic; it won't go well, I think.

So, this is the Horrible Revelation as others have pointed out and I feel foolish for not having realised that the moment that I saw the Picasso-style print on the wall.

Shame Clinton is not a Constitutionalist. He is under no obligation to give his name or explain his presence unless Officer Roko can articulate reasonable suspicion he has/is/will commit a crime.

- Whats your name, citizen?
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- What are you doing out so late?
- Am I being detained?
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- I don't need your permission.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #96 on: 14 Mar 2018, 00:52 »

You know, every time I see the character of Elliott, it's fascinating how Jeph contrasts his huge physical size with his gentle and retiring nature. He's just a genuinely sweet guy and the fact that he can't stop apologising for wrongs (real or imaginary - remember that Clinton originally started the confrontation that led to Robohand Mk1's fate) just adds to it.

I think that that kind of representation is becoming common enough in fiction that you almost expect it before the "I'm big so I'm mean and gruff" personality. Take Rubeus Hagrid for example. There's a whole Trope page dedicated to them.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GentleGiant

(Good luck brave adventurers who venture into TV Tropes.)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #97 on: 14 Mar 2018, 01:49 »

Just curious - why is it a shame that Clinton feels no reason to hide his identity or what he's doing?  Is a world with less suspicion and paranoia a bad thing for some reason?
Depends on if any conspiracies (as in the crime) are afoot and what their aim is.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #98 on: 14 Mar 2018, 01:54 »

Random thought spurred by the last two comics; I wonder if there's some radical group of robots/AI's who would view Clinton's robotic hand as a form of "cultural appropriation", or perhaps even as a form of slavery?

I'm not saying Roko would be like that, just that the circumstances made me think of that.

Given that the hand has an autonomous mode, the slavery option seems a bit more plausible to me.

Does the QCverse have an equivalent to tumblr?
[Said both seriously and in jest since I have a tumblr.]
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Re: WCDT Strips 3696 - 3700 (12-16 March 2018)
« Reply #99 on: 14 Mar 2018, 02:17 »

Just curious - why is it a shame that Clinton feels no reason to hide his identity or what he's doing?  Is a world with less suspicion and paranoia a bad thing for some reason?

The Founding Fathers fought a war to establish rights and freedoms. The 4th and 5th Amendments protect people from being unlawfully detained or giving their names without due course. All you need to do is stop enforcing your freedoms to lose them.
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