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What do you want to see wrapped up first?

Just what are Faye and Bubbles to each other?
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Will Roko ever find that intimate companion she wants?
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Will Melon be drawn into the core cast?
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When will Hannelore and Winslow return home?
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Will Dora need a new employee, if so, who?
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Is there anything left to develop with Marten and Claire?
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Just how will the Brun-Clinton-Elliott triangle resolve itself?
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Other (please specify in comment)
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Author Topic: (CW/TW: Abuse) WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)  (Read 23645 times)

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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #100 on: 02 May 2018, 00:56 »

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« Reply #101 on: 02 May 2018, 01:10 »

Gif is like Tetris. The last, long piece slowly slots in, completing the tetrad, i.e. the light bulb going off, i.e. "oh *THAT'S* what's going on".

then it forms a heart.

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« Reply #102 on: 02 May 2018, 01:25 »

As far as I'm concerned, Jeph can spend months on any of those issues or all of them, or decide that their relationship develops as a business relationship and friendship but not a romance, because of them.  They aren't "ship tease" any more than the reasons Faye didn't eventually get together with Marten.  They're the story.

That's the whole point. In every story, something needs to happen at some point. You can't beat the bush forever.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #103 on: 02 May 2018, 01:30 »

Oh dear. Another happy, healthy relationship on the way, and another source of drama and humour on the way out.
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« Reply #104 on: 02 May 2018, 01:32 »

As far as I'm concerned, Jeph can spend months on any of those issues or all of them, or decide that their relationship develops as a business relationship and friendship but not a romance, because of them.  They aren't "ship tease" any more than the reasons Faye didn't eventually get together with Marten.  They're the story.

That's the whole point. In every story, something needs to happen at some point. You can't beat the bush forever.

This is one of the reasons why, now things are happening, I'm expecting them to happen fairly quickly. Faye's realisation is the only significant roadblock between the resolution of this part of the arc. The obvious next arc will be 'just how do a human and a synthetic date'? Given the precedent of Claire, I'm not expecting too much attention to be given to physical intimacy beyond that it is happening somehow.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #105 on: 02 May 2018, 01:37 »

Oh dear. Another happy, healthy relationship on the way, and another source of drama and humour on the way out.

I'm not too sure it will be happy and healthy; quite aside from the fact that it is the first human-synthetic relationship we see - or even hear about; there's the fact that they both come with quite some emotional baggage. It'll be nice to see if, and how they cope with those in the relationship. They seem both to have made progress - but we've only seen them in the fairly limited surroundings of their own company.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #106 on: 02 May 2018, 01:56 »

I have more to say because apparently I'm *all about* this thread tonight.

It may not work.

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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #107 on: 02 May 2018, 02:10 »

Do you interpret this as Faye putting two and two together and realizing that Bubbles has feelings for her or she is realizing she has feelings for Bubbles?
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #108 on: 02 May 2018, 02:14 »

Do you interpret this as Faye putting two and two together and realizing that Bubbles has feelings for her or she is realizing she has feelings for Bubbles?

Would be hard to realize from a back massage and from her hand running up bubbles' leg that bubbles has romantic feelings. Pretty sure she's realized hers.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #109 on: 02 May 2018, 02:18 »

Oh well...
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« Reply #110 on: 02 May 2018, 02:29 »

Do you interpret this as Faye putting two and two together and realizing that Bubbles has feelings for her or she is realizing she has feelings for Bubbles?

That's really a good question. Hopefully both.
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« Reply #111 on: 02 May 2018, 02:36 »

Do you interpret this as Faye putting two and two together and realizing that Bubbles has feelings for her or she is realizing she has feelings for Bubbles?

Definitely the latter; note particularly panel 3 when Faye starts to reciprocate with intimate touching. She's suddenly realised that she does desire Bubbles on a physical level as well as having a deep friendship with her.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #112 on: 02 May 2018, 03:24 »

It was my understanding that trans folks still counted as queer. Has that changed?

Being transgender and being gay are orthogonal aspects of sexuality; as members of the LGBT grouping, they simply share the characteristic of not being both cis and hetero.

You had said that Jeph was actively trying to hide the queer relationships.  Marten and Claire often appear together in the strips they're in.

Marten x Claire is not a queer relationship.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #113 on: 02 May 2018, 04:45 »

This kills the ambiguity.

There's still a lot of room for whether they realize each others' feelings or take action. There could still be more to the story.

RE: Jeph "hiding" his "gays" - I don't think he ever did that. I think he was just finding his voice and making decisions about the characters.  Generally speaking LGBT members are a minority of people in sheer numbers but Truth in Television - members of communities (not just LGBT) tend to seek and find each other so I don't think that there is a prescribed min or max and I think the comic has done just fine.

As an aside though, real life is messy and complicated. I don't think Faye is a lesbian per say and that's why attraction to another woman will take a long time to process. Perhaps she is "only incidentally homosexual"
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #114 on: 02 May 2018, 04:51 »

Do you interpret this as Faye putting two and two together and realizing that Bubbles has feelings for her or she is realizing she has feelings for Bubbles?

Would be hard to realize from a back massage and from her hand running up bubbles' leg that bubbles has romantic feelings. Pretty sure she's realized hers.

Cannot disagree strongly enough with you there.

Not just because I have personal experience of it happening to me.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #115 on: 02 May 2018, 04:57 »

Getting a massage by Bubs, I'm in troubs
because something now, just did click
Can this be true?  Who else knew
That I'd fall for a sexy AI chick
Gotta go and get out, make an excuse
Go and think, got to make some of these pieces fit.

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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #116 on: 02 May 2018, 05:49 »

Oh dear. Another happy, healthy relationship on the way, and another source of drama and humour on the way out.

Not hardly. Given Faye's relationship history throughout the comic and her inability to handle a lot of her own emotional baggage, I won't be shocked if she pushes away now that she's had the 'aha!' moment.  Essentially the only reason she was able to be so comfortable around Bubbles was that veneer of thinking of her as a friend rather than someone she's interested in... She's pretty consistently had issues dealing with anyone she saw as a lover, her brain kicks into overdrive and a lot of her other problems seem to get in the way.  Bad choices, raging for no reason, and a lot of pain resulted.

Honestly, most of the other characters who have been on the receiving end of this in the past have been INCREDIBLY understanding about those.  Compared to RL, where people I've known who had similar issues basically ended up shunned within peer groups for the sheer damage they did.

And to be honest, I'm actually hoping she DOES stop drama'ing all over..  Yes, Faye's an interesting character in some facets, but at least to me, her 'Oh, I have issues with people I'm with so I'm a complete bitch to them' got kinda old somewhere between the problems with her and Marten and then Dora.  Mostly that's just my own personal issues RL with similar personalities though.  She kinda resembles waaaay too many people I know that I want to throttle.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #117 on: 02 May 2018, 07:07 »

Aaand the other shoe is down.
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« Reply #118 on: 02 May 2018, 07:10 »

Faye has FINALLY hit a clue. :D

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« Reply #119 on: 02 May 2018, 07:39 »

...and in one second, Faye's world was turned upside down!
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #120 on: 02 May 2018, 07:48 »

Random question, but how do these animated strips work in the print collections?  Is each frame of the .gif shown as a panel?
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« Reply #121 on: 02 May 2018, 07:53 »

As an aside though, real life is messy and complicated. I don't think Faye is a lesbian per say and that's why attraction to another woman will take a long time to process. Perhaps she is "only incidentally homosexual"

You do know that bisexuality is a thing, right?
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« Reply #123 on: 02 May 2018, 08:35 »

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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #124 on: 02 May 2018, 08:57 »

Pintsize called it...
sorta

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2263

That comic doesn't feature Pintsize?...

The one before it does, and Iíve edited the original comment. Iím on mobile, and it moved to the next strip when I tried to copy the link.  :-P
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« Reply #125 on: 02 May 2018, 11:06 »

The blocky thing at the end would be a red heart if it were smooth.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #126 on: 02 May 2018, 11:31 »

...and in one second, Faye's world was turned upside down!

And her mom got scared, and said "You're movin' with your aunt and uncle in Bel-Air!"
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« Reply #127 on: 02 May 2018, 11:33 »

Faye has FINALLY hit a clue. :D

Yes, and if she's responding true to form (her form up to now anyway) this is the moment where she panics and runs - AGAIN - from an emotionally committed romantic relationship, fucking up her and Bubbles' business as well as personal life.

Growing closer was easy when she thought of Bubbles as a friend; adding the idea of romantic commitment has scared her away from previous relationships every time so far.
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« Reply #128 on: 02 May 2018, 11:37 »

... I'll be in my bunk.
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« Reply #129 on: 02 May 2018, 11:39 »


You do know that bisexuality is a thing, right?

Yeah, and she could very well be bisexual and in her mid 20s and experiencing the first of many attractions to women but the fact that she seems to have no other interest in women up until now and that it took this long for her to think of all the flirting etc. something more makes me think this case is kind of one of a kind for her.

Didn't mean it to be a slam against bisexual people - sorry if it came off that way. 
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« Reply #130 on: 02 May 2018, 12:17 »

Aaand the other shoe is down.

Welcome, new person!

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« Reply #131 on: 02 May 2018, 12:19 »

As an aside though, real life is messy and complicated. I don't think Faye is a lesbian per say and that's why attraction to another woman will take a long time to process. Perhaps she is "only incidentally homosexual"

You do know that bisexuality is a thing, right?

Being bi is something Faye might "take a long time to process".
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« Reply #132 on: 02 May 2018, 12:23 »

Faye has FINALLY hit a clue. :D

Yes, and if she's responding true to form (her form up to now anyway) this is the moment where she panics and runs - AGAIN - from an emotionally committed romantic relationship, fucking up her and Bubbles' business as well as personal life.

Growing closer was easy when she thought of Bubbles as a friend; adding the idea of romantic commitment has scared her away from previous relationships every time so far.

All true.

The comic is also about personal and emotional growth. I hope, with some amount of realism, for Faye to (eventually!) make this work.
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« Reply #133 on: 02 May 2018, 12:32 »

I guess my personal issues with people gossiping about / pushing for / each other's relationships get grounded here, and probably make me more sensitive to it than I have any good reasons to be.  "Diminishes my perception of" is literal truth, though it reveals a streak of intolerance in myself wider than I'd like.

I don't think it's a problem with where the story's going though; mostly I see it as a problem with people having picked something in the future as a "destination" and now being focused on the unseen destination rather than allowing themselves to enjoy the trip.

Where they see a "ship tease" I see characters in a relationship that now includes some tension and some attraction and some denial and some doublethink and some orientation/identity issues.  It's nuanced, and it's good character development, and the current situation is as much the "destination" as any other part of the trip.  So why doesn't anybody seem to appreciate the current situation as a thing in itself, instead of just as a transitory state toward what they imagine some future situation might be?

Everybody could see, a year ago or so, that Corpse Witch was in need of a swift buttkick out of Faye & Bubbles' life.  And just such a buttkick did eventually arrive.  But I don't recall any serious obsessing about what form and shape that buttkick would take or how it was going to be delivered or by whom or even when.  It wasn't a "tease", it was story development.  And people were interested in all the bits of story along the way.  People speculated about CW's past, about the skatepark's ownership, about what had been done to Bubbles, about whether CW was trying to get leverage over Faye, about past interactions between CW and the police, about corruption and complicity, etc etc etc, and it was all about the story as it was happening.  We didn't have everybody focused on the single future buttkicking event as the only possible point of the whole story.

Now they are focused on one thing.  They are focused on the development or non-development of romantic/sexual love between these characters.  And everything else is getting lost, or passing them by, without any thought or discussion or, it seems to me, even perception.  They are invested in particular outcomes, like romance or rejection etc, instead of being able to accept that good stories can be built around whatever outcome comes about.  That's even true if the "outcome" is  long-term continuation of the tension, since after all the author may be telling a DIFFERENT story using the tension for character depth to inform how these characters see someone ELSE's situation.

To me the sexual/romantic aspect of this character relationship is one topic.  It's about five percent of what there is to discuss.  It's in the future and a bunch of other things are in the present.  When fifty percent of the discussion is used to talk about five percent of the subject matter, I get impatient and wonder why people are being so willfully blind to everything else.
Particlarly in your second to last paragraph, this is something I've noticed...very broadly, not just here, not just in my friend group or Tumblr or wherever, but...everywhere. Sex and relationships get particular attention. Particular emphasis. from just about everyone. It's...not something that I entirely understand, but there are many things about neurotypical behavior that I don't understand beyond acknowledging them as fact. I might try to discuss it, as a exercise in seeing how closely I'm able to interpret what I'm seeing and further my development of a more "normal" personality, though I'm not usually terribly interested in shipping, myself.

At any rate, I guess my point is, yeah, that happens for ships instead of other kinds of plot points - like Corpse Witch's manipulations - because that's, uh, how people are, I guess, and neither you nor I are going to change how 7 billion people operate.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #134 on: 02 May 2018, 14:35 »


You do know that bisexuality is a thing, right?

Yeah, and she could very well be bisexual and in her mid 20s and experiencing the first of many attractions to women but the fact that she seems to have no other interest in women up until now and that it took this long for her to think of all the flirting etc. something more makes me think this case is kind of one of a kind for her.

Didn't mean it to be a slam against bisexual people - sorry if it came off that way.

Hi there. :) Bisexual woman here who acknowledged her attraction to women only in her late 20s; we do exist. So it's possible for Faye to have had an unconscious/unacknowledged attraction towards women that never really hit home until a catalyst made it do so.

(I always seem to pop up in this sort of threads.  :laugh: )
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« Reply #135 on: 02 May 2018, 14:43 »

As an aside though, real life is messy and complicated. I don't think Faye is a lesbian per say and that's why attraction to another woman will take a long time to process. Perhaps she is "only incidentally homosexual"

You do know that bisexuality is a thing, right?

I got the impression that the term "only incidentally homosexual" was in reference to the Kinsey Scale and that Snufflebottoms meant to imply that Faye is a 1 on the scale (defined as "Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual") - i.e. primarly attracted to men but very occasionally women as well. I actually know of a lot of people whom this applies to, myself included; it can make it difficult to know whether to self-identify as straight or bisexual, though some use the term "heteroflexible", or it can also refer to people who are heteroromantic-bisexual or vice versa. The same applies at the other end of the scale at point 5 (primarily attracted to the same gender, but very occasionally the opposite gender).

In Faye's case it remains to be seen what she'll make of her epiphany, but I hope that at least clarified the wording a bit ^_^
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #136 on: 02 May 2018, 15:06 »

So, Faye is probably running off to talk to Marten... what does Bubbles do?  Stay behind to mind the shop?  Go to CoD for some tea and hope that things make more sense after she's had some relaxing unicorn fantasies?  Talk to Momo? (I'm trying to think of anyone else she might talk to, and coming up with a blank.  Hanners maybe, if she were still around, but...
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« Reply #137 on: 02 May 2018, 15:25 »

She'll probably keep working.

Also I should point out that we have no indication that Bubbles knows where most of the cast lives, or even particularly likes Momo.
I may be projecting a bit at that last bit, though. I don't *dislike* her, but while she absolutely means well she's such a combination of uptight and 'not into' certain topics (such as human-AI romance and/or sex) that she's nearly useless. I'm not Bubbles, but I at least fear that I'd be hard-pressed to break through Momo's attempts to stammer out what she thinks is a 'right' answer to get to a real one (or at least one I'd accept as 'real').

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« Reply #138 on: 02 May 2018, 15:27 »

that probably says more about me and my neurosis than anything else, but considering Bubbles' past frustrations both with projecting that people are 'walking on eggshells' around her, and with people actually doing that, well.

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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #139 on: 02 May 2018, 16:24 »

I got the impression that the term "only incidentally homosexual" was in reference to the Kinsey Scale and that Snufflebottoms meant to imply that Faye is a 1 on the scale (defined as "Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual")

That's exactly what I meant. It's a somewhat educated guess but a guess nonetheless at this point.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #140 on: 02 May 2018, 18:21 »

You know, the older I’ve gotten the more I’ve come to believe that these words we use to try to define people aren’t very useful. We invent terms like “heterosexual”, “homosexual”, “bisexual” and try to assign people to distinct categories based on those words. But those categories don’t really match up to the way the world actually works. People are attracted to whoever they are attracted to, they love whoever they love, categories be damned. And I say this as someone who actually fits pretty neatly into that “heterosexual” box, but I see many people around me who don’t fit any of those boxes. The concepts seem pretty well-defined until you start looking at the boundaries between them, and you see that those boundaries are so fuzzy that they don’t really exist. And the solution is not to invent more and more categories for each possible shade of meaning, because that just emphasizes our differences when we should be focusing on our similarities.

What I think I’m trying to say is that Faye isn’t homosexual or bisexual because of her feelings for Bubbles. If you need a word for it, then the word would be “Bubblesexual”, but that’s not really helpful either. But that’s where Faye is right now. She is attracted to Bubbles, not because she is attracted to women, or robots, but because of who Bubbles is for her.

And so what? Why does Faye have to be shoved into a box labeled “bisexual” as if she’s somehow different from me? When I look at Faye, I see a broken, wounded, but good-hearted person trying to live her life as best she can and find a little happiness along the way. That’s also what Bubbles is. And that’s what I am too.

I have no idea if any of this makes sense. I’m tired and not really thinking coherently. I’ve probably totally mangled whatever point I was trying to make. And that’s okay. Logical coherence is overrated. The key is compassion. Be kind and generous to all people, even imaginary people who only exist in a webcomic, because that’s good practice for the real world. Faye and Bubbles bring a little light into each other’s lives, and that’s really all that matters to me.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #141 on: 02 May 2018, 19:05 »

Hmm, maybe my username doesn't seem so ridiculous after all.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #142 on: 02 May 2018, 19:17 »

Hmm, maybe my username doesn't seem so ridiculous after all.

I have never before witnessed such a tactical profile picture change
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #143 on: 02 May 2018, 19:33 »

Hey, Marty! :D

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=3734

And YES I was expecting Jeph to finish out the week either with Melon or Steve having cereal.

Or dinner.

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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #144 on: 02 May 2018, 19:36 »


I have never before witnessed such a tactical profile picture change

Well, it fits my username pretty well.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #145 on: 02 May 2018, 19:38 »

Aaaanndd straight to Marty!  :-D  Someone called it!

May there always be a place in QC for our resident sympathetic ear and official Shoulder-to-cry-on...  :wink:
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #146 on: 02 May 2018, 19:38 »

It's your kids, Marty! Something's gotta be done about your kids!
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #147 on: 02 May 2018, 19:43 »

Am I the only one totally digging Marten's outfit? He looks quite spiffy.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #148 on: 02 May 2018, 19:43 »

I like to imagine that the effect on Faye in panel 4 (or would that be panel 3?) is a representation of her panic causing her to vibrate so quickly that she begins humming loudly like a piece of industrial equipment. Marty offered to move outside partially out of concern for her and partially because it began disrupting nearby students.
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Re: WCDT strips 3731-3735 (30th April to 4th May 2018)
« Reply #149 on: 02 May 2018, 20:07 »

I like to imagine that the effect on Faye in panel 4 (or would that be panel 3?) is a representation of her panic causing her to vibrate so quickly that she begins humming loudly like a piece of industrial equipment. Marty offered to move outside partially out of concern for her and partially because it began disrupting nearby students.
Well, whether her vibrations are audible or not, if she leaned against the shelves while shaking like that, all the books would start rattling. But I think Marten decided to step outside because she started out by yelling, and he's afraid she might do it again.


Am I the only one totally digging Marten's outfit? He looks quite spiffy.
Yeah, Claire inspired him.


Aaaanndd straight to Marty!  ;D  Someone called it!

May there always be a place in QC for our resident sympathetic ear and official Shoulder-to-cry-on...  ;)
I'm sure I wasn't the only one, but I called it. I'm kind of a real-life Marten (but without the girlfriend, which sucks), so I would have expected someone in Faye's position to come straight to me. It's actually one of the reasons my phone is always on, because my friends know they can call me 24 hours a day if they need someone to talk to.
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