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Author Topic: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2  (Read 3706 times)

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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #100 on: 20 Nov 2018, 00:55 »

Oop, it's looking like I might lose money now.

IIiii dunnno.
Don't think this is over yet...

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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #101 on: 20 Nov 2018, 01:21 »

We've reached the point where Danny and Ethan need to pin Sal and Amber and for them and Dorothy to pound some sense and perspective into both combatants' heads with a suitably heavy and blunt instrument.

Sal - Yes, Amber stalked you and got you into the vigilante life. However, she didn't force you to do anything. You are the one who prioritised your anger and sense of violent grievance against the world's injustices over Marcie's needs. You decided that beating on bad guys was worth even her losing her job.

Amber - Yes, your life has been shit but Sal is not your enemy; Blaine's abuse and the damage it did to your mind and your emotional control are your enemies.

Both women have to understand that the other is not their enemy and never has been. If they can't tolerate each other enough to help themselves and the other heal, then they need to agree to keep away from each other in future.

You'll notice that I didn't address the issue of what happened that night at the convenience store. That's because, in a very real way, I don't think that either girl was entirely themselves. They were both in the process of finally coming loose from the end of a long tether and, whilst their choices were their own, I'm not entirely sure that either were capable or competent to make reasonable or proportionate choices at the moment.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #102 on: 20 Nov 2018, 09:36 »

Oop, it's looking like I might lose money now.

IIiii dunnno.
Don't think this is over yet...
Yeah, today it's looking like my money is well safe. Amber's got Sal on the figurative ropes.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #103 on: 21 Nov 2018, 01:25 »

Yeah, I think that  this is the point to intervene, Ethan. Mostly because, at this rate, one of them is going to kill the other!
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #104 on: 21 Nov 2018, 07:33 »

...and another reversal! Sal is ascendant!
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #105 on: 21 Nov 2018, 21:10 »

Cause, effect. Cause, effect...

Sal is coming to a head.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #106 on: 21 Nov 2018, 23:17 »

I long suspected that there is a small and generally-repressed part of Amber that is suicidal. We saw it in her reckless (for her own safety) rescue of Becky. Now, with the very real possibility that someone will finally end all of her problems for good without her even having to do anything personally...? Well, she's almost happy with this outcome.

As for Sal, she's realising just how badly her every escalation has ever gone and she has to deal with the fact that, this time, she's about to murder a mentally-ill woman with only debatable control over her actions.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #107 on: 23 Nov 2018, 01:08 »


Why are people fixating on the fact that Sal had Amber in a (so-called) *choke hold*?
(And then exploding that into "attempted murder" etc...)

I can only think a lot of folk have never been in a stand up fight before!
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #108 on: 23 Nov 2018, 02:55 »

Why are people fixating on the fact that Sal had Amber in a (so-called) *choke hold*?

Because it is fairly easy to go from a choke hold to 'choke to death', especially if the person doing it is angry and not monitoring the other's state. Additionally (and most importantly), I think that Amber wanted it to be 'to death'.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #109 on: 23 Nov 2018, 13:16 »

An improperly applied chokehold can easily turn fatal unintentionally. There was a case not so long ago in the States where a police officer put a detainee in a chokehold and the man died shortly thereafter as a result. It's really easy, especially when angry, to do serious damage that way.

That being said, I agree that a lot of readers are blowing it out of proportion and I don't think Sal was ever at serious risk of killing Amber, even if that's what Amber wanted.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #110 on: 28 Nov 2018, 00:57 »

I guess I picked a REALLY good week to finally take Jeph's twitter hints and actually read DoA.

It's pretty freakin' good, right?

I'll just hang out for a bit and read the room before I contribute anything to the discussion tho.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #111 on: 28 Nov 2018, 06:06 »

I can't explain it, but Sal's head scarf thing looks adorable on her. I wonder how many strips before Ruth shows up to mediate all this. Well at least there's fuckface right?
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #112 on: 30 Nov 2018, 21:24 »

Anyone else noticing Dina's "Coffee of Doom" shirt?

Also I like that Sal is approaching this calm and cool. Amber is too wound up but I hope it passes with the talking of pachycephalosaurus.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #113 on: 01 Dec 2018, 03:34 »

Maybe she got it off Emily a while ago.

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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #114 on: 01 Dec 2018, 13:05 »

My money's on Amber.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #115 on: 01 Dec 2018, 21:46 »

Amber is too wound up but I hope it passes with the talking of pachycephalosaurus.
Not to toot my own horn or anything but...

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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #116 on: 01 Dec 2018, 22:02 »

Dina is the best.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #117 on: 03 Dec 2018, 18:10 »

So I realized this weekend that I was two months behind. And then soon I wasn't. I should come to the forum more, it was how I always remembered to read the new DoA, I rarely got more than a few days behind.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #118 on: 04 Dec 2018, 21:11 »

Huzza! The pact has been sealed and the team has been formed.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #119 on: 04 Dec 2018, 22:38 »

This went a lot better than expected. Good job, those two.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #120 on: 05 Dec 2018, 01:28 »


It seemed pretty obvious that they would follow the "We have battled - we are now friends!" route, but the additional Roller Derby denoument was class. (And Carla!)  :)

Marcie's smile made it all worth it, even if I *did* have problem with her "prove your worthy to be my friend" stance. :)


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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #121 on: 05 Dec 2018, 07:47 »

My money's on Amber.
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #122 on: 05 Dec 2018, 07:56 »

My money's on Amber.

You sure?
You lost the last one!  :)
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #123 on: 05 Dec 2018, 12:42 »

My money's on Amber.

You sure?
You lost the last one!  :)
Double or nothing!
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Re: Damn You, Willis! (Dumbing of Age) PART 2
« Reply #124 on: 10 Dec 2018, 07:28 »

...in true Zen fashion, Mike is Mike.
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