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Author Topic: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)  (Read 4650 times)

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WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« on: 08 Jul 2018, 20:26 »

Not doing the poll thing. Mods want to add one, go for it.

That was a bit... uhm, deep. Even for QC.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #1 on: 08 Jul 2018, 20:51 »

I think Clinton has some deep seated issues that he might need to see someone for. His dad sounds like a real piece of work.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #2 on: 08 Jul 2018, 21:06 »

This trip to the bakery is becoming as hard on Clinton as it has been on Elliot.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #3 on: 08 Jul 2018, 21:20 »

So I see Brun and Clinton have made it through 500 strips in just... um... 571.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #4 on: 08 Jul 2018, 21:21 »


Just throw out the raisins and let the healing power of cinnamon fill you
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #5 on: 08 Jul 2018, 22:10 »

Well at least Elliott has something else to distract him from the reaction to his soda bread.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #6 on: 08 Jul 2018, 22:17 »

The unparseable face certainly has a family resemblance the the screaming internally face.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #7 on: 08 Jul 2018, 22:34 »

I think Clinton has some deep seated issues that he might need to see someone for. His dad sounds like a real piece of work.

Incidents like that cause damage that is not always visible to the conscious mind. Clinton does seem to be able to live a normal life so maybe it's not a "need" situation.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #8 on: 08 Jul 2018, 22:51 »

Hopefully Renee comes in and saves poor Elliot...

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #9 on: 08 Jul 2018, 23:04 »

Roko, Elliot, Brun, Renee, and now Clinton? Some people from the QC cast seem to have a strangely intense relation to bread...
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #10 on: 08 Jul 2018, 23:27 »

Poor Elliot.  He had no way of knowing, of course.

And Clinton... man.  That face.  When he's telling that story, he's not here, he's back there.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #11 on: 08 Jul 2018, 23:29 »

Poor Clinton; seriously, Claire has already implied it quite strongly but this is the first time the Clinton also added evidence that Mr Augustus was a seriously nasty person who has left a lot of scars in his children in his wake.

Additionally, poor Clinton that he feels that he isn't allowed by some social or cultural norms to act as if these scars are present. No wonder Brun is confused: What he's saying and his body language just don't seem to match up and, given that she has problems interpreting this at the best of times, it's giving her contradictory data in learning to understand what he's saying without words!
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #12 on: 08 Jul 2018, 23:31 »

Jeeez, Clinton. Get a grip man. Maybe you should start working on your issues, you can‘t throw a fit every time someone mentions raisins.

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #13 on: 08 Jul 2018, 23:57 »

Clinton, just go home and lie back down for an hour or two.  Then get back up and press 'reset' on this day.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #14 on: 09 Jul 2018, 00:59 »

Good thing she didn't bring home raisinets.

I think Clinton has some deep seated issues that he might need to see someone for. His dad sounds like a real piece of work.

Incidents like that cause damage that is not always visible to the conscious mind. Clinton does seem to be able to live a normal life so maybe it's not a "need" situation.

So long as no-one mentions raisins...
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #15 on: 09 Jul 2018, 03:27 »

Being a humorous comic, Jeph tries makes it funny but, in essence, it looks like raisin bread is a trigger for Clinton. I can't help but wonder just how bad that incident was when his father blew up over his mother buying bread with raisins!
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #16 on: 09 Jul 2018, 05:36 »

Well that got dark.

People like that are the worst. You gotta structure your life around managing them and even then it's just to reduce the excuses they can find to blow up. They're too entitled to ever change.

@BenRG Yeah if he stomped out for 3 days it's bad. People like that, even if they aren't physically abusive, they work their way into every part of your life so when they remove themself from it they leave a hole. It's not like a relief that hes gone and you can get back to your usual stuff in peace - there IS no usual stuff. And then they'll come back and condescend to you that the pain you felt was because you fucked up, and oh, they hate to see that, but they're helpless to save you from yourself and are so disappointed that you can't just be better and not hurt yourself.

Also I don't think I've ever seen anyone make that expression irl.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #17 on: 09 Jul 2018, 05:40 »

That memory would make me consider trying to overcome my dislike of raisins in baked goods. Even if only for one bite of a raisin cookie that would be enough of an FU for me toward a guy that petty as Augustus pere. (If it was because I had a raisin allergy or some other reason beyond personal preference, it would be a chocolate chip cookie that I would say was a raisin cookie. Sometimes symbolic gestures are important.)
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #18 on: 09 Jul 2018, 06:13 »

Poor Clinton; seriously, Claire has already implied it quite strongly but this is the first time the Clinton also added evidence that Mr Augustus was a seriously nasty person who has left a lot of scars in his children in his wake.


Oh I can't remember this, did anyone remember where-ish in the comic that was? (claire implying their father wasn't too cosher).

And, damn :-\ doesn't sound good. To be fair to Brun, I've also just learned that 'blank unreadable expression' generally implies 'trouble' (or 'tired'), but I just always check now :')
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #20 on: 09 Jul 2018, 06:42 »

Oh I can't remember this, did anyone remember where-ish in the comic that was? (claire implying their father wasn't too cosher).

I was thinking specifically of the incident when Claire lashes out at Tai simply because Marten says to her 'Tai is dating my ex-girlfriend' and she heard 'Tai made my girlfriend cheat on me the way your father cheated on your mother'.

That's a heck of a trigger reaction of its' own right there.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #21 on: 09 Jul 2018, 13:27 »

It wasn't the raisins.  The raisins were a handy excuse for Clarence "Gus" (I'm certain that was his nickname) Augustus to throw a tizzy and walk out for three days.  Given that he was no doubt a serial philanderer who'd make Sven look like a celibate monk, he probably spent the time with his girlfriend(s).  C&CMom doesn't strike me as the type to shitcan a relationship just because Gus fell off the fidelity wagon once.  He did it multiple times, and she caught him lying about it.  That's what pushed her over the line, 'WAY over the line.  This may even be the event that precipitated the divorce.

When it looks like the argument is about something insignificant, it isn't.  IT (the insignificant thing) is either a trigger or an outright excuse for the RI (real issue). 
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #22 on: 09 Jul 2018, 19:52 »

She's done it before, she'll do it again.

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #23 on: 09 Jul 2018, 19:58 »

I choose to interpret that alt-text as absolute canonical confirmation that Brun has killed a man.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #24 on: 09 Jul 2018, 21:07 »

Brun in this strip is me whenever I find out someone hurt one of my friends. I may be a bit protective.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #25 on: 09 Jul 2018, 21:09 »

Elliot is concerned. That sounds like our Elliot.  :-)

But seriously, yeah, I don't think Clinton has really dealt with this yet - this sounds like a possible upcoming story arc about the Augustus family history and all of its attached baggage...
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #26 on: 09 Jul 2018, 21:13 »

You missed an important option in the poll:

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #27 on: 09 Jul 2018, 21:24 »

Mongol General: "Conan! What is best in life?"

Conan: "To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women."

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« Reply #28 on: 09 Jul 2018, 21:58 »

You missed an important option in the poll:

A movie by Monty Python  :-P

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #29 on: 09 Jul 2018, 22:25 »

Well hunting down Papa Agustus would give us an excuse to see him since I doubt he’ll ever return unless someone pulls a drama tag.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #30 on: 09 Jul 2018, 23:26 »

I really love Brun in this. In her straightforward way, she really is concerned about Clinton and wants to help. "You have to be honest" is her way of saying that she really wants to help but that he has to open up for her to do so. She has a different way of handling the universe than most but, in the end, her reactions are human and, frankly, sweet by her own lights.

I kind of feel sorry for Clinton. I think everyone has a story of the asshole close family member that they prefer not to think about but this one is, as I said yesterday, clearly one that left scars that aren't going away any time soon.

I also wonder if Mr A will be making a return at some point, maybe to object to Claire's engagement simply because he wants to continue to exercise power over his children's happiness.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #32 on: 09 Jul 2018, 23:44 »

So, I don't think that anyone has missed the point that Clinton has an unresolved issue. On the other hand, what I haven't seen mentioned yet is the complete ease with which Clinton was able to discuss it, with people he has only relatively recently met, on the barest of pretexts (the mere mention of raisins). Compare that with the difficulty Faye before he finally spilled the beans in the famous discussion with Marten. I'm not trying to compare the issues themselves, but the ease with which both characters find themselves willing to discuss them to any degree.

Does this mean that Clinton has already worked through it to some degree, or that the issue is currently festering and he now feels (consciously or otherwise) a strong need to expose it to the light? Either way, it will be interesting to see if this revelation brings any of these characters a little closer to each other.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #33 on: 09 Jul 2018, 23:50 »

Dang Brun, how long had you been working "with a nautical theme"?

I don't know why, but Brun is one of my favorites. probably because she's generally a sweetheart. Doesn't always know how to people, but that's OK. I don't either.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #34 on: 09 Jul 2018, 23:53 »

Mongol General: "Conan! What is best in life?"

Conan: "To crush your enemies. See them driven before you. And to hear the lamentations of their women."

 - Conan the Barbarian

- "What is it that a man may call the greatest things in life?"

- "Hot water, good dentishtry and shoft lavatory paper."

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #35 on: 09 Jul 2018, 23:57 »

Dang Brun, how long had you been working "with a nautical theme"?

I don't know why, but Brun is one of my favorites. probably because she's generally a sweetheart. Doesn't always know how to people, but that's OK. I don't either.

If you figure it out, let me know.
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« Reply #36 on: 10 Jul 2018, 00:05 »


- "What is it that a man may call the greatest things in life?"

- "Hot water, good dentishtry and shoft lavatory paper."

-- Cohen the Barbarian in conversation with Discworld nomads

not to mention a hundred different recipes for shoup.
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« Reply #37 on: 10 Jul 2018, 01:12 »

As a declaration of affection, 'I know how to make it look like a harpoon accident' isn't half bad ...
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #38 on: 10 Jul 2018, 01:43 »

Brun still isn't among my favourite characters in the comic, but she's kinda awesome in this one  :-D
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« Reply #41 on: 10 Jul 2018, 04:19 »

Also, the Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything is missing.

Arguably, that is not a valid answer as we do not know the question.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #42 on: 10 Jul 2018, 04:30 »

w h a t  d o  y o u  g e t  w h e n  y o u  m u l t i p l y  s i x  b y  n i n e ?
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #43 on: 10 Jul 2018, 05:39 »

So, I don't think that anyone has missed the point that Clinton has an unresolved issue. On the other hand, what I haven't seen mentioned yet is the complete ease with which Clinton was able to discuss it, with people he has only relatively recently met, on the barest of pretexts (the mere mention of raisins). Compare that with the difficulty Faye before he finally spilled the beans in the famous discussion with Marten. I'm not trying to compare the issues themselves, but the ease with which both characters find themselves willing to discuss them to any degree.

Does this mean that Clinton has already worked through it to some degree, or that the issue is currently festering and he now feels (consciously or otherwise) a strong need to expose it to the light? Either way, it will be interesting to see if this revelation brings any of these characters a little closer to each other.

The circumstances between Faye's dad and elder Augustus are vastly different. Faye had no sign there was anything bothering her father, whom she loved dearly, until he committed suicide right in front of her. If I remember correctly she still doesn't know why. Humans are desperate to know why a tragedy occurs to them, they need to understand so bad they'll invent reasons if they have to. Faye never had that closure. Just one day he was her loving, seeming happy father and with a literal bang he was gone, leaving her with nothing but pain and questions. Faye also tends to be reserved and tight lipped about her own feelings, burying them away or trying to drink them away previously.

Clinton and Claire's experience is quite different. As far as they/we know their father is still alive. He's just a cheating asshole they have and want nothing to do with. And it certainly looks like his cheating and abusive nature was well known for a long before he finally left for good and their parents were divorced. The source of their trauma is less sudden and intense. And they open up about their feelings and past a lot more readily. Therapy about it probably, and they had each other for support where as Faye closed herself off. The pain may never go away, and some things may trigger a stress or panic reaction as we've seen. But when you've talked and told so many people about it, telling a few more becomes routine, and does help lessen the sting of it. That is part of the point of group therapy sessions.
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018
« Reply #44 on: 10 Jul 2018, 06:23 »

w h a t  d o  y o u  g e t  w h e n  y o u  m u l t i p l y  s i x  b y  n i n e ?
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018
« Reply #45 on: 10 Jul 2018, 06:37 »

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #46 on: 10 Jul 2018, 06:59 »

I hope Officer Basilisk is never tempted to look into a series of 'harpoon accidents'...

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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #47 on: 10 Jul 2018, 08:21 »

they work their way into every part of your life

Yeah, that's the problem. And even if you get away from it for a while, it's still in your psyche.
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« Reply #48 on: 10 Jul 2018, 12:18 »

When it was mentioned that such a harpoon "accident" had happened in the past, there was no qualifier as to gender or species of the accident "victim".
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Re: WCDT strips 3781 - 3785 (9-13 July 2018)
« Reply #49 on: 10 Jul 2018, 12:59 »

Sorry about that. I only meant that I'm now certain she's killed before and will again.
Now I want a storyline where she was a nautically themed superspy that harpooned fools in the name of national security. Maybe she had a run-in with Steve and tortura.
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Zack is easier to type than Zisraelsen, so
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