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Repairs! Tattoos! What else should Union Robotics branch out into providing?

Espresso machines!
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Complicated Love Triangles!
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Steam reduction valves!
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Flame decal application!
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Fighter Jet Conversion!
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Dermal covers - for HUMANS!
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Waffles and Spathe Ham!
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Other Wonders Not Mentioned Here!
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WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« on: 05 Aug 2018, 08:12 »

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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #1 on: 05 Aug 2018, 08:19 »

The shop obviously lacks rocket science.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #2 on: 05 Aug 2018, 08:58 »

Flame decals. They're Faye's one true love!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #3 on: 05 Aug 2018, 09:14 »

Fighter jet conversions. For humans.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #4 on: 05 Aug 2018, 11:07 »

Fighter jet conversions. For humans.

And Roombas.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #5 on: 05 Aug 2018, 11:19 »

Fighter jet conversions. For humans.

And Roombas.
They could subcontract Pintsize and Winslow for that.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #6 on: 05 Aug 2018, 11:37 »

Winslow, in his previous chassis, seems to me to have always been under Pintsize's metaphorical thumb. I think that's not true anymore, but we haven't seen a lot of interaction between them since the re-embodying.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #7 on: 05 Aug 2018, 20:23 »

Faye is sharing her vices with a minor.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #8 on: 05 Aug 2018, 20:30 »

Union Robotics Child Care: Pintsize approved!

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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #9 on: 05 Aug 2018, 20:41 »

About that Dremel....
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #10 on: 05 Aug 2018, 21:02 »

Now I'm wondering whose shoulder that ball joint was taken from...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #11 on: 05 Aug 2018, 21:46 »

A dremel for smoothing a ball joint?  Maybe it's just me, but using a dremel for that would be more complicated than using a disk sander.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #12 on: 05 Aug 2018, 21:53 »

A dremel for smoothing a ball joint?  Maybe it's just me, but using a dremel for that would be more complicated than using a disk sander.

In the hands of a skilled person, even a concrete saw csn be used for smoothing out a ball joint.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #13 on: 05 Aug 2018, 23:15 »

Faye is sharing her vices with a minor.
She really should be sharing her vises.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #14 on: 05 Aug 2018, 23:19 »

I think that this is the arc when Faye realises that one of the most stressful jobs in existence is trainer. There is absolutely no upper limit to the stupidity and lack of common sense of novices. This is especially the case when, as I am sure is the case with Sam, they feel that they are being unfairly restricted to 'training wheels' when they know they have the intrinsic skill and ability to use the most complicated tools and technology on their first attempt!

A dremel for smoothing a ball joint?  Maybe it's just me, but using a dremel for that would be more complicated than using a disk sander.

Faye hasn't selected the best tool for the job. She's selected what she believes is the safest tool that she can start Sam on with the objective of one day qualifying to the concrete saw.

There is also a subtle psychological test here. If Sam can stick with working with the dremel without getting bored and wandering off, then she's got the mindset to move on to bigger things. However, if she does fail at this level, then there is no point humouring her desire to work power tools any further.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #15 on: 05 Aug 2018, 23:56 »

Now I'm wondering whose shoulder that ball joint was taken from...

May-be we already know...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #16 on: 06 Aug 2018, 00:17 »

It's fine. She'll learn pretty quick once that thing skips off the work piece, and that even small tools hurt like hell when they hit you at 1k rpm.

Once she moves up to the angle grinder, it'll be a lesson of why you don't wear loose clothing around those. Feels kinda like a trained boxer just wound up and punched you in the gut.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #17 on: 06 Aug 2018, 02:10 »

When they were handing out common sense, Sam was out chasing a snake or something.

Honestly, I'm more surprised that Sam still has all her fingers.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #18 on: 06 Aug 2018, 02:20 »

When they were handing out common sense, Sam was out chasing a snake or something.

Honestly, I'm more surprised that Sam still has all her fingers.

That's why Faye has been tasked with keeping Sam's structural integrity intact.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #19 on: 06 Aug 2018, 03:09 »

old workshop trainer principle: make sure your student is covered in all the safety gear. And because sooner or later they will probably launch whatever they are working on MAKE SURE YOU ARE COVERED DOUBLE FROM ALL SIDES!

In this case: ask Bubbles for a flack-vest.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #20 on: 06 Aug 2018, 06:31 »

Magical Disappearing Dremel Cord!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #21 on: 06 Aug 2018, 08:21 »

when they know they have the intrinsic skill and ability to use the most complicated tools and technology on their first attempt!

While this does happen, more prevalent in my experience is the notion of "I don't want to learn how to use EVERYTHING, just X tool/instrument/software/etc."

I am guilty of this at times, a lot of my weirder mods and projects make use of esoteric tools, and I sometimes skip the starter tools/equipment in favor of skipping to the one I need for the job at hand.  That said, I usually end up wishing I had taken the time to master the tool first.  (Fortunately, the kind of work I do this for actually benefits from a little rough handling)  Right now, I'm having a hard time fighting this urge when I want to pick up a laser cutter or CNC router, because they're expensive as hell, and if I can start with the tool I need, I can save thousands on the ones to train for the one I need.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #22 on: 06 Aug 2018, 10:00 »

Corded tool.

Corded tool.

Cordless tool.

I wish I could do that with tools when the cord becomes too bothersome... to draw.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #23 on: 06 Aug 2018, 12:55 »

Well Dremels do come in a cordless version - I have one - no guts but great for light duty and or impossible to reach places.

At least she is wearing the face sheild and with the dremel grinder bit she will at worst get some nasty abrasions but no loss of digits.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #24 on: 06 Aug 2018, 13:14 »

Faye wants to make a point about the right tool.  "Not working very well, is it?  Okay, now try using this."  She may also be more interested in teaching Sam the characteristics of the metal she's working rather than the tool she's working it with.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #25 on: 06 Aug 2018, 17:45 »

Faye is sharing her vices with a minor.
She really should be sharing her vises.
Yes, I was a little surprised to see "vice". That is how I spell the word of course, but I thought the USAnian spelling was "vise".

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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #26 on: 06 Aug 2018, 17:56 »

The cord is there, it just perfectly follows Sam's outline.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #27 on: 06 Aug 2018, 21:18 »

Faye is sharing her vices with a minor.
She really should be sharing her vises.
Yes, I was a little surprised to see "vice". That is how I spell the word of course, but I thought the USAnian spelling was "vise".

It should be vise, but most USAnian's can't spell, either. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #28 on: 06 Aug 2018, 21:47 »

All my vices are vises.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #29 on: 06 Aug 2018, 23:21 »

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Faye committed what is perhaps cardinal sin #1 for people in her position: She left her total novice trainee unattended with a power tool, forgetting the strangely auto-hypnotic effect of spinning machinery on the human mind. Grown adults, fully cognizant of the danger, have lost fingers because they can't resist the urge to insert a finger into whirling parts so why should Sam be any different?

Fortunately, the damage doesn't seem that bad. However, I still can't see how this could come out well for either Faye or Sam. Certainly, Faye is going to lose her 'appropriate adult' categorisation in Jim's mind and Sam may be forbidden from seeing her again. Sam may find herself a lot more strongly supervised in the future: No more hanging out at machinery shops, wandering off into the woods to look for beasties or taking days off school whenever she feels like it for 'independent learning opportunities'.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #30 on: 06 Aug 2018, 23:35 »

My expectation: Bubbles walks over with a first-aid kit, gives Sam a bandaid and maybe some stitches, and then hugs Faye who is trying not to explode in panic.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #31 on: 06 Aug 2018, 23:38 »

Let's try this rule: never, ever, touch the business-end of a power tool with any of your body parts. Especially if the power tool is in use.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #32 on: 06 Aug 2018, 23:38 »

well that was quick.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #33 on: 06 Aug 2018, 23:56 »

Well that was an incredibly poor decision by Faye.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #34 on: 07 Aug 2018, 00:05 »

Two seconds. Not even two seconds.

Sam is gonna be in huge trouble, and Faye even more so.

Not sure even Bubbles can diffuse this bomb.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #35 on: 07 Aug 2018, 00:06 »

"Other Wonders Not Mentioned Here!":
Upon Winslow's return, he sets up an on-site Robot Counselling Service...

...And regarding today's strip:
Knowing Sam as we do - did anyone else see an incident like this as being totally freaking inevitable?!  :roll:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #36 on: 07 Aug 2018, 00:37 »

So I get Sam ripped her nail out. Things could be really, really worse!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #37 on: 07 Aug 2018, 00:56 »

Let's try this rule: never, ever, touch the business-end of a power tool with any of your body parts. Especially if the power tool is in use.

Kinda closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, there.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #38 on: 07 Aug 2018, 01:06 »

Let's try this rule: never, ever, touch the business-end of a power tool with any of your body parts. Especially if the power tool is in use.

Kinda closing the barn door after the horse has bolted, there.

Not really. Like I said, ripping her nail out is far from being the worse that could happen, so Sam should let it be a lesson for the future.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #39 on: 07 Aug 2018, 01:51 »

OK, so Faye probably (and by "probably" I mean "definitely") should not have left a newbie with a power tool.... but touch your finger to a powered-on, working power tool of any kind? That's some next level lack of imagination and/or stupidity, even for a kid.

Especially literally less than a few seconds after a "can I trust you with this?" question. Granted, it's been a while since I spent much time around kids, but that sounds like something a six-year-old would do, not an otherwise bright (?) teenager.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #40 on: 07 Aug 2018, 02:11 »

Granted, it's been a while since I spent much time around kids, but that sounds like something a six-year-old would do, not an otherwise bright (?) teenager.

Some kids get dumber as they get older. Sam is one of those because she's getting more confident while staying just as curious. Caution is learned by doing stupid things and getting punished for them. Especially dumb teenagers result from a short lifetime of stupidity without consequence.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #41 on: 07 Aug 2018, 02:51 »

I highlighted Faye for a reason.

I have worked for over seven years with teenagers older than Sam and I can assure you that people much 'maturer' than her have made decisions this poor and worse no matter how much warning is given.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #42 on: 07 Aug 2018, 02:51 »

You start life with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. The goal is to try to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck runs out.

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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #43 on: 07 Aug 2018, 03:07 »

Granted, it's been a while since I spent much time around kids, but that sounds like something a six-year-old would do, not an otherwise bright (?) teenager.

Some kids get dumber as they get older. Sam is one of those because she's getting more confident while staying just as curious. Caution is learned by doing stupid things and getting punished for them. Especially dumb teenagers result from a short lifetime of stupidity without consequence.

You start life with a full bag of luck and an empty bag of experience. The goal is to try to fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck runs out.

...I mean, I guess? I just expected her to be smarter than this, for some reason. That's a tool designed to destroy materials much tougher than squishy human flesh. That needs to command respect. My father told me repeatedly, over and over, how dangerous power tools are since I was a very small kid (granted, I was NOT left unsupervised with those) and that's stuck so deep in my subsconscious that it seems more obvious than breathing, even though I never had even a minor accident involving any of those tools. And even though I don't really use power tools (I don't have a job or any hobbies that require those).

Different life experience, I guess, or I was simply a singularly boring and overly cautious kid/teenager. Come to think of it, I didn't use to get hurt all that much when I was a kid, while my older brother used to always fall off something, cut something, break a limb or whatever. And he wasn't dumb or anything. He just... did a lot of stuff that invited accidents.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #44 on: 07 Aug 2018, 03:29 »

Sam gets frigging sword fighting classes. You might expect her to be aware of the dangers of ... tools, not even powered ones.

But still, technically, she has all her fingers. Nobody said anything about missing fingernails. And think about the crap her classmates will give her for losing a fingernail to a power tool. Yes, kids are that cruel.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #45 on: 07 Aug 2018, 03:34 »

Sam gets frigging sword fighting classes. You might expect her to be aware of the dangers of ... tools, not even powered ones.

It's surprising just how much the key phrase 'what would happen if...?' can dull and even block what ought to be obvious associational common sense! Sam is pretty wild anyway; the first thing her tutor at sword-fighting class likely had to do was teach her to respect her weapon and understand that 'dangerous' is something that can affect her personally.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #46 on: 07 Aug 2018, 04:21 »

"Other Wonders Not Mentioned Here!":
Upon Winslow's return, he sets up an on-site Robot Counselling Service...

...And regarding today's strip:
Knowing Sam as we do - did anyone else see an incident like this as being totally freaking inevitable?!  :roll:
Pretty much. I mean, Sam's not dumb but overconfident and she hasn't felt the consequences of her actions yet. So, maybe that's a start? And Faye should stop indulging her - Sam's not an apprentice, she's not insured and Faye can be held responsible for stuff that goes on in her shop. Sam's still a child in many ways and should be treated as such.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #47 on: 07 Aug 2018, 04:33 »

Just because Sam is smart, doesn't mean she's wise.

She's easily distracted and not particularly attentive, which combined with a power tool was always going to spell trouble.

Then again, I went to school with a guy who stabbed himself in the eye with a compass because he forgot it was in his hand. So the lesson here is, teens are idiots and if left to their own devices, will likely accidentally remove themselves from the genepool.
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Whenever someone says "I'm not book smart but I am street smart.", all I hear is "I'm not real smart, but I am imaginary smart."

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« Reply #48 on: 07 Aug 2018, 05:12 »

Ugh, not the way to learn never to touch a dremel bit :/
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Re: WCDT Strips 3801-3805 (6-10 August 2018)
« Reply #49 on: 07 Aug 2018, 05:38 »

There has to be a sign in the background at some point:
We have proudly worked __0__ days accident free.
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