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What else is Sam no longer allowed to do?

Bring in snakes found on her way to school.
- 10 (27%)
Go on "Experiential Days" more than three times a week.
- 11 (29.7%)
Continue to have her "side job" of AI Tattoos.
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Wear her Skullmaster Master of Skulls mask (Bubbles has it now)
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Eat Spathe Ham with Waffles.
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Think about Purple Monkey Elephant Dishwashers.
- 5 (13.5%)
Something else (please specify).
- 1 (2.7%)

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #100 on: 15 Aug 2018, 19:10 »

And now we know what Hannelore has been up to. Or down to, in this case.

And she survived Blood Mountain. No small feat there.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #101 on: 15 Aug 2018, 19:11 »

Maybe the squid is floating sideways.  Makes perfect sense.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #102 on: 15 Aug 2018, 19:58 »

As mysterious giant orange eyes with strange pupils go, that one looks relatively friendly.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #103 on: 15 Aug 2018, 21:27 »

Well, so long as Hanners doesn't start hearing a voice in her head that says "consume" or "Learn. Grow."
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #104 on: 15 Aug 2018, 21:47 »

Octopi have horizontal pupils. They also have the largest brain to body ratio of all invertebrates.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #105 on: 15 Aug 2018, 22:06 »

Well, so long as Hanners doesn't start hearing a voice in her head that says "consume" or "Learn. Grow."

She really seems the sort to hand out pamphlets about her imaginary friend. But I don't see her trying to paint 'THE TRAVELER WAS HERE" on anything.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #106 on: 15 Aug 2018, 23:17 »

What is really interesting about today's strip is the implication that basically Hannelore has been cleaning her way across the world. Firstly, she's brushing Yak and now she's tidying up a deep-sea research lab. When you think about it, it's so wonderfully in-character that, journey of self-discovery or no, she still has to keep things clean!

As for the super-giant octopus? Well, they're curious animals and I've got a feeling that it wants to play with the things it can see inside the tin can. I'm sure that this would be an uncomfortable experience for its playmates!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #107 on: 16 Aug 2018, 00:00 »

Yay! Hanners Spic 'n Span World Tour. Sadly poor Winslow at her side is not as adventurous...

As for the horizontal pupil; putting a Giant Squid at an angle won't help, it has a round pupil. I call Cthulhu.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #108 on: 16 Aug 2018, 00:03 »

Am I the only one who has completely lost interest in this "new and improved" version of Hannelore?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #109 on: 16 Aug 2018, 00:22 »

Dread Cthulhu is searching for an exit from the nightmare corpse-city of R'lyeh.  :evil:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #110 on: 16 Aug 2018, 00:28 »

Am I the only one who has completely lost interest in this "new and improved" version of Hannelore?

Who knows.

Hannelore's character popularity was working against her, leaving her overexposed and overused, which can be disastrous if nothing is done. She's also had one of the longest and heaviest stories in the comic's entire history, but also one of the most divisive. I mean, this is her second appearance this year after that storyline. Thus, Jeph gives Hanners a break, but also allows a chance for growth and development without really having to show it.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #111 on: 16 Aug 2018, 00:29 »

Well, seems like Tanners is improving by cleaning up other people's messes. That's basically how she became friends with Marigold.

On a side note, is Hanners aware of the Faye/Bubbles situation?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #113 on: 16 Aug 2018, 01:05 »

On a side note, is Hanners aware of the Faye/Bubbles situation?

If Hannelore hasn't received a delirious text message from Dora about these events, I'll be surprised.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #114 on: 16 Aug 2018, 01:27 »

And now we know what Hannelore has been up to. Or down to, in this case.

And she survived Blood Mountain. No small feat there.
And acquired a pretty decent tan to boot.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #115 on: 16 Aug 2018, 01:57 »

Am I the only one who has completely lost interest in this "new and improved" version of Hannelore?

Who knows.

Hannelore's character popularity was working against her, leaving her overexposed and overused, which can be disastrous if nothing is done. She's also had one of the longest and heaviest stories in the comic's entire history, but also one of the most divisive. I mean, this is her second appearance this year after that storyline. Thus, Jeph gives Hanners a break, but also allows a chance for growth and development without really having to show it.

The last sentence is more or less what had me lose interest.
Back when I commented the Yak comic, I called Hannelore's change too much and too sudden. That is, because we're not allowed to watch her develop and grow. We can see neither her setbacks nor her breakthroughs. At some point in the future we just have to take the new and improved product, and that'll be it then.
To me, she has almost become a different character. So, why should I care about her anymore?
(It pains me to write this. It really does. Hannelore was always one of my favorite characters…)

Compare Hannelore's current arc with the journey of Bubbles, from when she was introduced to now. We were there the whole time to witness her break free of her old habits, opening up to Faye (and her social circle), getting rid of the leverage Corpse Witch (seemingly) had on her… And all of this culminated in one of the most satisfying finales of a story arc in QC-history, I would say.
And we were there for the ride! We saw the highs and lows, we saw her struggle and push forward, we saw her fall in love with Faye (and vice versa)…

Bubble's journey up to this point feels organic and natural.
Hannelore’s (at least in this "snapshot" kind of way) does not.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #116 on: 16 Aug 2018, 05:47 »

Neither did her sudden change from the introductory cigarrette-smoking barfly to panic-stricken OCD recluse.   

That was explained away as a change in meds...

We've watched her grow and develop literally for years, hugging Marten, getting a job interacting with the public, going a "practice date" with Sven...

are the changes we're seeing now really so unbelievable?  She's still cleaning her world, it's just a bigger place now. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #117 on: 16 Aug 2018, 05:59 »

If I were designing a robot to explore the ocean, I think I'd make it "swim" rather than trudge over the bottom like Jules Verne's submariners:
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #118 on: 16 Aug 2018, 06:04 »

I'm pretty sure we'll get a compressed version of "Hanners' Adventures into the Unknown" at some point.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #119 on: 16 Aug 2018, 07:16 »

Or don't explain it. *shrug* Knowing the usual QC cast, they'd just roll with the changes anyway....

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #120 on: 16 Aug 2018, 07:34 »

Ever linked back up with an old friend IRL after being out of contact for a while -- a couple years, a couple decades, maybe? Were they, I dunno, different somehow?

Does the fact you weren't there for whatever experiences changed them, invalidate that change?

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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #121 on: 16 Aug 2018, 07:48 »

If, in the comics, Superman flies into space, and comes back a year later with a different costume and a different set of powers, would you like to know how that happened?

I sure would...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #122 on: 16 Aug 2018, 08:01 »

And if we were talking about a radical change of that magnitude, you might have a point. But we aren’t. Hannelore has been building to this for quite some time. Sure, she’s grown, but she’s still recognizably Hannelore.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #123 on: 16 Aug 2018, 08:02 »

Different comic, different vibe.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #124 on: 16 Aug 2018, 12:00 »

Yay! Hanners Spic 'n Span World Tour. Sadly poor Winslow at her side is not as adventurous...

As for the horizontal pupil; putting a Giant Squid at an angle won't help, it has a round pupil. I call Cthulhu.

Let’s just hope her compulsion for cleanliness and science doesn’t lead to the Gizmonic Institute. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #125 on: 16 Aug 2018, 16:22 »



Let’s just hope her compulsion for cleanliness and science doesn’t lead to the Gizmonic Institute.

Well, she *would* do a good job cleaning up the place.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #126 on: 16 Aug 2018, 16:26 »

But her bosses wouldn't like her...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #127 on: 16 Aug 2018, 16:27 »

As for the horizontal pupil; putting a Giant Squid at an angle won't help, it has a round pupil. I call Cthulhu.
Cuttlefish have some freaky pupils:

Adorable baby Cthulhu...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #128 on: 16 Aug 2018, 17:53 »

That Cuttlefish is one blush away from asking if Senpai noticed them.
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« Reply #129 on: 16 Aug 2018, 18:30 »



Let’s just hope her compulsion for cleanliness and science doesn’t lead to the Gizmonic Institute.

Well, she *would* do a good job cleaning up the place.

True, but I fear Tom Servo and Crow wouldn’t get along with Winslow.  They tend to be hostile to non human outsiders.
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« Reply #130 on: 16 Aug 2018, 18:42 »

If, in the comics, Superman flies into space, and comes back a year later with a different costume and a different set of powers, would you like to know how that happened?

I sure would...

I'm more interested in what a year of Superman comics minus Superman would look like.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #131 on: 16 Aug 2018, 18:46 »

Comic’s up.

Pintsize is being nice. What’s his angle?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #132 on: 16 Aug 2018, 18:53 »

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« Reply #133 on: 16 Aug 2018, 18:54 »

If, in the comics, Superman flies into space, and comes back a year later with a different costume and a different set of powers, would you like to know how that happened?

I sure would...

I'm more interested in what a year of Superman comics minus Superman would look like.

Already happened. It was called the Death of Superman, followed by Reign of the Supermen.
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« Reply #134 on: 16 Aug 2018, 20:05 »


Already happened. It was called the Death of Superman, followed by Reign of the Supermen.

Plus there was a arc before that where Superman spent months in space...

Pintsize shows unexpected depth. Again.  :?

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« Reply #135 on: 16 Aug 2018, 20:59 »

If, in the comics, Superman flies into space, and comes back a year later with a different costume and a different set of powers, would you like to know how that happened?

I sure would...

I'm more interested in what a year of Superman comics minus Superman would look like.

Already happened. It was called the Death of Superman, followed by Reign of the Supermen.

... and? What did Superman minus Superman look like? What did they write about that maintained readers' interest?
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #136 on: 16 Aug 2018, 21:02 »

Going back to Sam and Faye - several people have assumed or speculated that Sam was at the shop without Jim's knowledge. But I was just reading back a bit and saw in #3800 that not only had Faye made Sam call Jim to get permission, but Faye specifically promised that "I'll make sure she comes back with the right number of fingers. Yeah, they'll still be attached to her." (I too had forgotten this detail.)

The fact that she messed up the exact thing she promised wouldn't happen changes the complexion of Jim's response to her quite a bit, I think, and makes it more natural.
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« Reply #137 on: 16 Aug 2018, 21:20 »

Comic’s up.

Pintsize is being nice. What’s his angle?

No angle.  He's not really being nice, either - so far, just making observations.  He does seem concerned, though and I think it's a matter of having to deal with a stressed out member of the family. 

He's a companion AI, after all.  And his primary charge, Marten, is too chill for Pintsize to ever have had to deal with something like what Claire's going through.  Even with the Dora breakup, he was able to "handle" Marten with a certain amount of cruel-to-be-kindness. 

But what Claire's going through is quite different, and I think he's decided that it needs to be dealt with head on.  In fact, you have to get the denier to admit there's a problem before anything else can be done! 

And TBH, I don't think he wants her blowing up her and Marten's relationship, something that makes both of them happy.  In her current state, that's a distinct possibility. 


He's just doin' his job. 
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #138 on: 16 Aug 2018, 21:41 »

Where is this Clare thing going anyway? This isn't the first time anyone's made this observation, after all. I can't believe for a second JJ's actually going to have her fail, so...everyone's going to tell her to relax for an indeterminate number of strips until she finally does?
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« Reply #139 on: 16 Aug 2018, 21:42 »

If, in the comics, Superman flies into space, and comes back a year later with a different costume and a different set of powers, would you like to know how that happened?

I sure would...

I'm more interested in what a year of Superman comics minus Superman would look like.

Already happened. It was called the Death of Superman, followed by Reign of the Supermen.

... and? What did Superman minus Superman look like? What did they write about that maintained readers' interest?

Other people that took up the role/mantle of Superman while he was presumed dead. There were spinoffs where there was like 4-6 other people claiming to be his successors. Some of them, like Steel and Superboy stuck around as their own characters when the grand story arc was up.
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« Reply #140 on: 16 Aug 2018, 21:57 »

If, in the comics, Superman flies into space, and comes back a year later with a different costume and a different set of powers, would you like to know how that happened?

I sure would...

I'm more interested in what a year of Superman comics minus Superman would look like.

Already happened. It was called the Death of Superman, followed by Reign of the Supermen.

... and? What did Superman minus Superman look like? What did they write about that maintained readers' interest?

They built the four Superman comics around four new characters: Superboy, Steel, Cyborg Superman, and The Eradicator. Cyborg turned villain, Eradicator was basically Superman without his mormals, Steel was basically Iron Man but with a hammer, and Superboy was an arrogant douche.

The storylines were pretty much self-contained with the stories eventually coming together to allow for the reintroduction of the original Superman. The whole year also setup the eventual decline of the Green Lanterns as the story eradicated Hal Jordan's hometown driving him insane and causing him to become one of the most hated villains of the 90s...


Don't that's just the first. The second "year without a Superman" happened in 2008-2009 when Superman went to New Krypton on the other side of the sun leaving Mon-El and two Kryptonians that he trusted to watch over Earth...it didn't do much and was wiped out of continuity thanks to 'Flashpoint" a year later.
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« Reply #141 on: 16 Aug 2018, 22:02 »

Where is this Clare thing going anyway? This isn't the first time anyone's made this observation, after all. I can't believe for a second JJ's actually going to have her fail, so...everyone's going to tell her to relax for an indeterminate number of strips until she finally does?

I think she's going to from friend to friend with each assuring her that she's going to be alright but her not relaxing until she passes her exam.

She probably hasn't had this kind of friendly support before, she has her mother and brother but this is something entirely different than them. It's tough to go against years of abuse, especially regarding her father. It hasn't been confirmed or delved into, but something went on with the piece of garbage beyond infidelity.
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« Reply #142 on: 16 Aug 2018, 22:31 »

I do think that it is a sign that Claire has settled into the apartment that she can just handle Pintsize being Pintsize without it weirding her out anymore! Her only question is 'how', not 'why'!

As for Pintsize himself? Well, we saw him try to help Faye during her post-Angus downward spiral, so it's in-character for him to at least attempt to help. I just wonder if he'll be able to do so without blowing his cover!
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #143 on: 16 Aug 2018, 23:13 »

Going back to Sam and Faye - several people have assumed or speculated that Sam was at the shop without Jim's knowledge. But I was just reading back a bit and saw in #3800 that not only had Faye made Sam call Jim to get permission, but Faye specifically promised that "I'll make sure she comes back with the right number of fingers. Yeah, they'll still be attached to her." (I too had forgotten this detail.)

The fact that she messed up the exact thing she promised wouldn't happen changes the complexion of Jim's response to her quite a bit, I think, and makes it more natural.

Well, Sam still has the same amount of fingers, and none had to be reattached. This incident is what Jim was thinking of, but failed to communicate just how inconsiderate Sam csn be with her life choices. Can you blame Faye for what happened? Yes, totally. Is Jim overreacting? in my eyes, yes. He could have told Faye "Look, this is what happens when you don't look after Sam properly. She still can go to the shop, but no more power tools.", and it would've been OK in my eyes.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #144 on: 16 Aug 2018, 23:27 »

Also, the fact that Faye made Sam call Jim underlines that up to that point he did not, in fact, know where she was.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #145 on: 17 Aug 2018, 00:45 »

It's just gone noon
Half past monsoon
On the banks of the river Nile
Here comes the boat
Only half-afloat
Oarsman grins a toothless smile


There's a touch of madness in Claire's eyes...
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #146 on: 17 Aug 2018, 01:12 »

Also, the fact that Faye made Sam call Jim underlines that up to that point he did not, in fact, know where she was.

She probably didn't tell Jim where he went for the same reason she didn't want to tell him how the injury happened.


The way I see it, Jim is like "I don't even want to put up with that shit" half the time. Maybe he's on the edge of not being able to cope with it anymore, but Faye seems to have some control over her, so she's allowed some degreee of freedom with Sam.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #147 on: 17 Aug 2018, 01:25 »

Going back to Sam and Faye - several people have assumed or speculated that Sam was at the shop without Jim's knowledge. But I was just reading back a bit and saw in #3800 that not only had Faye made Sam call Jim to get permission, but Faye specifically promised that "I'll make sure she comes back with the right number of fingers. Yeah, they'll still be attached to her." (I too had forgotten this detail.)

The fact that she messed up the exact thing she promised wouldn't happen changes the complexion of Jim's response to her quite a bit, I think, and makes it more natural.

Well, Sam still has the same amount of fingers, and none had to be reattached. This incident is what Jim was thinking of, but failed to communicate just how inconsiderate Sam csn be with her life choices. Can you blame Faye for what happened? Yes, totally. Is Jim overreacting? in my eyes, yes. He could have told Faye "Look, this is what happens when you don't look after Sam properly. She still can go to the shop, but no more power tools.", and it would've been OK in my eyes.

He did.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #148 on: 17 Aug 2018, 03:30 »

Waxing theological here - If souls are a real thing, AIs in the QCverse must have them given the range of behaviors and introspection we've seen.  And if AIs have souls, Bubbles has an old one, probably a very old one, and AIs are a recent form of sentient life.  Therefore, AI souls must come from the same place as human's.  They ARE people.

Now I'll go back to thinking about how to optimize the Maillard reaction on precooked pork sausages.   (It's breakfast time.)
Hmmm....... Perhaps they earn one based on behavior/deeds?

 Yes, that would mean that some are awarded souls specifically so they can be sent to Hell. But, perhaps they earn said soul upon commenting the act that would damn them, thus giving them a chance to redeem themselves.

Right now, Bubbles and Momo very probably have souls. Melon and Arthur probably don't. If Pintsize has a soul, it's likely doomed to wander or gets some sort of purgatory.
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Re: WCDT Strips 3806-3810 (13-17 August 2018)
« Reply #149 on: 17 Aug 2018, 05:20 »

It is an ancient AnthroPC,
And he stoppeth one of three.
'By thy long grey beard and glittering eye,
Now wherefore stopp'st thou me?


Yep, that's got Pintsize written all over it.
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