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Cave critter pet(s) for Brun? (any species of the type listed)

bat
centipede
milipede
cave spider
cave fish (there are so many species)
cave shrimp
flatworm
cavesnail
cave pseudoscorpion
cave scorpion
cave crayfish
cave isopod
amphipod
spotted-tail salamander
olm
cave cricket
cave beetle
creepy crawlies, no thanks
violet flatware cleansing simian
couldn't she just get those glowing mushrooms instead?

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More apartment hunting adventures ahead, perhaps?
Here's hoping it goes well for Brun and Reneé.


BTW, there's far more species of cave fish than I expected.

EDIT: If I recall correctly, it's 4 votes per user in the poll.
2nd edit: yellow for the glow was probably going to make the text difficult for some folks to read.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #1 on: 09 Mar 2019, 07:14 »

I wonder if Reneé would approve of any of the suggested troglobites as pets.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #2 on: 09 Mar 2019, 08:50 »

Huh?
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #3 on: 09 Mar 2019, 12:43 »

No glowshrooms. She wants it as dark as possible.

For whatever reason, Brun has become my favorite character. Maybe because she's brutally honest, akd doesn't judge. At least not often.
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« Reply #4 on: 09 Mar 2019, 16:29 »

Huh?
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #5 on: 09 Mar 2019, 17:20 »

Any answer that isn't Olm is suspect. They're baby pseudodragons, people, what more do you want!?
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #6 on: 09 Mar 2019, 18:28 »

Huh?

troglobite noun
1) any creature having a cave-dwelling mode of life.
See also 'troglobiont'


EDIT: Burrowing animals don't count since they make their own subterranean network.
Also, since bats aren't always considered true troglobites but instead 'trogloxene' (lit. "cave guests"), it seems I should have included rats, and raccoons on the list. Yay for pedantic nerd arguments.

If I do, I'll reset voting.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #7 on: 10 Mar 2019, 04:03 »

I dunno how it is up north but where I live you end up with pet camel crickets whether you like it or not.
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« Reply #8 on: 10 Mar 2019, 05:09 »

Any answer that isn't Olm is suspect. They're baby pseudodragons, people, what more do you want!?

And adorable!
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #9 on: 10 Mar 2019, 08:49 »

I dunno how it is up north but where I live you end up with pet camel crickets whether you like it or not.
KC area, here.
Thankfully, we haven't gotten them in the mobile home yet, but our aunt has to deal with them constantly getting in her basement.

BTW, I've been doing some light research on amphipods (an order of soft-bodied crustaceans). A lot of them look seriously weird.  Some of them are Lovecraftian levels of weird.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #10 on: 10 Mar 2019, 21:05 »

Comic's up. And having once had an enthusiastic roommate like Brun, well, there's a reason why I prefer to live on my own.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #11 on: 10 Mar 2019, 22:53 »

Four choices?
Four bats.
Brun would have a bat-aviary.
To keep all of the people out of her nice, dark, cozy room...

Also:
"AI recharging cubicles"?
So, it's possible that we may get some of the AI cast as neighbours?

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« Reply #12 on: 10 Mar 2019, 23:09 »

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"AI recharging cubicles"?
So, it's possible that we may get some of the AI cast as neighbours?

IIRC all the AIs we know up to now live with humans, except for Roko and Melon/Arthur, but they have flats of their own. Maybe we will meet the physical embodiment of Lemon there. And/or some of her sisters.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #13 on: 10 Mar 2019, 23:37 »

Makes sense.  We've speculated here before about how an AI's physiological and safety/security needs wouldn't take much space to meet. 

Roko, by virtue of her employment,  needed to live as much like a meatie as possible,  thus the apartment,  and she seems to have developed a preference for hard copy page turning reading over direct literature download.  This no doubt triggered an untreatable case of bibliophilia - she keeps books she's read human-style like trophies.  And she probably has a sizeable stash of yarn.  She and Claire will meet when the latter is put in charge of expanding the Smif Library Victorian porn collection.

Melon and Arthur?  He needs a kitchen and no one will employ him to poach AAA cells in lithium sauce.  Melon just figures sooner or later she'll need space to keep all the zany.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #14 on: 11 Mar 2019, 00:20 »

For what it's worth, I think we've all been there. Not necessarily with a house but with a purchasing decision that just felt right somehow. Sometimes that works out and sometimes it doesn't. 'Go Fever' is a thing - overlooking bad aspects because you want to make progress. Also, sometimes the shiny wears off after you think about it!

All that aside, I'm pretty sure that Jeph wouldn't have gone to so much trouble about showing us this apartment if he didn't intend for Brun and Renee to move in eventually. With that in mind, I suspect that the charging cubicles is narratively for joke-of-day weird encounters with random Synthetics. When I read about the nice retired couple, I found myself wondering if this is the in-town residence of the naturist couple whose holiday cabin is near the Azuma family home.

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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #15 on: 11 Mar 2019, 01:19 »

I managed to resist until now, but today's apartment agent panel 4 is extra cute. Like a Claire with frizzy hair.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #16 on: 11 Mar 2019, 03:13 »

It’s good to shop around, but Brun sold her clock to get money for the deposit.  I’m not sure how good her last place was.  Perhaps she’s approaching this with a very low bar set.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #17 on: 11 Mar 2019, 03:34 »

See, I could understand sleeping on it if you had reasonable objections, or if you still had other places to view that could be better. But otherwise, I’m actually with Brun. This ticks the boxes you were looking for. Why delay for the sake of delaying?
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« Reply #18 on: 11 Mar 2019, 04:14 »

The thing is, in a tight rental market you need to be able to make that kind of snap decision. When we were moving to the Boston area, my wife missed out on several possible house rentals for us because she didn’t understand at first how quickly things moved. Finally she went to an open house at a place in Arlington, and within 90 seconds of walking in the door she was writing a check for the deposit - beating out the other half-dozen people who were viewing the place at the same time. We wound up living there for four years. (She was doing the house-hunting on her own because I was still in North Carolina so that our son could finish out the school year there.)

Northampton’s rental market isn’t quite that tight, but still, sometimes you have to make a decision quickly.
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« Reply #19 on: 11 Mar 2019, 05:12 »

Electric heating? Isn't that kind of ... expensive/wasteful? Or am I misunderstanding smth here?
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« Reply #20 on: 11 Mar 2019, 05:37 »

It's more expensive than other forms of heating, and in the U.S. it's most commonly used in the southern parts, where there is less need for heating.
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« Reply #21 on: 11 Mar 2019, 05:50 »

Most places around here have either oil or gas heat. But electric heat is probably cheaper for the owner of the building to install. The owner doesn’t need to worry about how much it costs to operate because the tenants will be paying for the electricity, not the owner.
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« Reply #22 on: 11 Mar 2019, 06:13 »

It's more expensive than other forms of heating, and in the U.S. it's most commonly used in the southern parts, where there is less need for heating.

And where the Air Conditioning system is connected to the heat pump.

I have a gas/electric mix when it comes to heating* and cooling my place, but the electric is about 100% of the cooling during the summer.

* - Yes, you do need a heater in Arizona. You can't just rely on insulation when the temperatures hover just above freezing in the winter.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #23 on: 11 Mar 2019, 06:20 »

I'm in the southern US, in a rural area. We use gas for heating due to electricity getting knocked out ever time a serious storm come in. And in the rare ice storms that could be a week or so before they get the lines cleared and the grid back up. All those nice oaks with the droopy limbs done bear a lot of weight when they start getting coated with ice.
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« Reply #24 on: 11 Mar 2019, 06:58 »

Yep, electric heat can cost you, compared to gas or hot-water.
However, to Brun I'd say: Some of what turned out to be my best decisions were made on the spur of the moment, or in an "Oh, what the hell" moment after a period of overthinking.
My current car and the one before that. My second-to-last apartment. Taking that job offer. Walking away from that job 25 years later.
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« Reply #25 on: 11 Mar 2019, 07:35 »

Data point here: electric furnace and heat pump, in Carlton Oregon (near McMinnville, about 45 minutes from Portland by car).
This is my fifth residence in the greater PDX and I've only ever had one place that was piped for gas.
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« Reply #26 on: 11 Mar 2019, 07:45 »

We're sort of lucky in the UK in that most population centres were piped for natural gas heating as a public infrastructure project in the late 1940s to early 1960s. The main motivation was to reduce the pollution from coke gas (which was the previous main form of heating and lighting fuel in the country). The carbon and sulphur particulate levels in the atmosphere over London in particular had long since passed the point where it was no longer safe to leave the house without a filter mask of some sort.

Then, on 5/16/1965 a gas explosion in London blew out the entire south-eastern corner of the 22-storey Ronan Point apartment building, killing five people and leaving hundreds homeless. Gas heating was subsequently outlawed in buildings over five stories tall. Because of this and the reliance on multi-storey structures for social housing in the UK, electric convection and storage heaters have become the national standard. We even have an electricity tariff offered by law called 'Economy 7' that reduces the cost of electricity overnight so that storage heaters do not become prohibitively expensive.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #27 on: 11 Mar 2019, 07:59 »

Electric heating? Isn't that kind of ... expensive/wasteful? Or am I misunderstanding smth here?

"Down here" in my part of Europe we have some older buildings also using electrical heating. Thing is: it's usually powered by "night electricity". My bathroom water heater is the same. reasoning: it's cheaper, but only available from midnight to 6am.

my heating itself is done through "Fernwärme", they run some kind of exhaust heat through half the city.
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« Reply #28 on: 11 Mar 2019, 08:30 »

Yep, electric heat can cost you, compared to gas or hot-water.
However, to Brun I'd say: Some of what turned out to be my best decisions were made on the spur of the moment, or in an "Oh, what the hell" moment after a period of overthinking.
My current car and the one before that. My second-to-last apartment. Taking that job offer. Walking away from that job 25 years later.
In my case, the "oh what the hell" job acceptance was followed by a better offer a few days after I already sent the acceptance...  :psyduck:
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« Reply #29 on: 11 Mar 2019, 08:46 »

Electric heating? Isn't that kind of ... expensive/wasteful? Or am I misunderstanding smth here?

It’s what I had in my college apartment in Pennsylvania.  It could be expensive in the winter so if you’re budget conscience you dress warmly and only heat your bedroom.
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« Reply #30 on: 11 Mar 2019, 09:13 »

Yep, electric heat can cost you, compared to gas or hot-water.
However, to Brun I'd say: Some of what turned out to be my best decisions were made on the spur of the moment, or in an "Oh, what the hell" moment after a period of overthinking.
My current car and the one before that. My second-to-last apartment. Taking that job offer. Walking away from that job 25 years later.

Your first instinct is usually correct, the thing is that its not 100% reliable. A friend's father once told me that when people think about things overnight, its not to think themselves out of a situation, but rather to confirm that first instinct.
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« Reply #31 on: 11 Mar 2019, 09:37 »

Yep, electric heat can cost you, compared to gas or hot-water.
However, to Brun I'd say: Some of what turned out to be my best decisions were made on the spur of the moment, or in an "Oh, what the hell" moment after a period of overthinking.
My current car and the one before that. My second-to-last apartment. Taking that job offer. Walking away from that job 25 years later.

Your first instinct is usually correct, the thing is that its not 100% reliable. A friend's father once told me that when people think about things overnight, its not to think themselves out of a situation, but rather to confirm that first instinct.

Like "let's see whether my subconscious lets something surface overnight"?
Probably more like "let's see whether I wanted just because I'm hangry"
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« Reply #32 on: 11 Mar 2019, 10:11 »

Brun has the right idea here. On my last apartment search I had to go with my third choice because the first two were snapped up between the time I looked at them and the time I finished the paperwork.
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« Reply #33 on: 11 Mar 2019, 14:05 »

Then, on 5/16/1965 a gas explosion in London blew out the entire south-eastern corner of the 22-storey Ronan Point apartment building, killing five people and leaving hundreds homeless.

Bear in mind that the injuries and damage caused at Ronan Point were down to inadequate construction and building codes, not the size of the explosion.  The woman standing next to the appliance which exploded was barely injured, but the small blast was able to dislodge a wall panel which was structural so that the flats above collapsed like a building of cards - because that was how it was actually built.  Even though the building was hurriedly strengthened, it was demolished less than two decades later, and some engineers believed that if it had not been, the 1987 gales would have been able to cause the same damage to the strengthened building (by sucking off an outer wall panel) as the gas explosion had.

That's not to say that there haven't been far more destructive explosions of gas, of course.  And I remember smog; and the smell of burning coke at home too.
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« Reply #34 on: 11 Mar 2019, 14:30 »

In my area (South Eastern Pennsylvania, US.) more and more communities are putting requirements for solar panels in building codes for housing developments. Maybe they have some in this area?
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« Reply #35 on: 11 Mar 2019, 15:37 »

Electric heating? Isn't that kind of ... expensive/wasteful? Or am I misunderstanding smth here?

"Down here" in my part of Europe we have some older buildings also using electrical heating. Thing is: it's usually powered by "night electricity". My bathroom water heater is the same. reasoning: it's cheaper, but only available from midnight to 6am.

my heating itself is done through "Fernwärme", they run some kind of exhaust heat through half the city.

Your "down here part of Europe" is about 700km from where I'm typing - Afaics, that's considered the other side of town in some parts of the US.  :-D

Wiki sez "Fernwärme" translates to district heating or teleheating: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating


As to Ronan point: We've had two beyond-design base events (Chernobyl, Fukushima) in nuclear plants over the last 32 years, so I'm not so sure how concerned one should be about a gas explosion in 1965's London. There's spots in the infamous Red Forest next to Pripyat where even today, dead trees hardly rot at all because the radiation has killed most of the necessary microbes and insects.

Then again, I guess it's fair to say that basing critical long-term decisions on the emotional impact of one event that captures the imagination of many is basically how progress works in any human society.

I believe London was called "The Smoke" in one of its many earlier lives?
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« Reply #36 on: 11 Mar 2019, 19:22 »

Your first instinct is usually correct, the thing is that its not 100% reliable. A friend's father once told me that when people think about things overnight, its not to think themselves out of a situation, but rather to confirm that first instinct.
It's worked more often than thinking something to death, but whatever browns your bacon.
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« Reply #37 on: 11 Mar 2019, 20:08 »

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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #38 on: 11 Mar 2019, 20:10 »

I get that Brun is a forum favorite so it’s tempting to always side with her, but in this case I think it’s important to remember she’s house hunting as part of a unit. It’s appropriate to talk with your roomie about whether they want to live in a place before you BOTH sign a contract. It’s great Brun loves the place, but Renee has to live there too. She’s got a right to also feel good about her choice.
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« Reply #39 on: 11 Mar 2019, 20:25 »

Hot and cold running cats. I'd be sold.
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« Reply #40 on: 11 Mar 2019, 20:32 »

Brun has the right idea here. On my last apartment search I had to go with my third choice because the first two were snapped up between the time I looked at them and the time I finished the paperwork.

Same here. Except the paperwork was dragged out a full month because the apartment manager was dragging his heels on filling out a one-sided one-paged reference sheet.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #41 on: 11 Mar 2019, 21:15 »

When I was looking for apartments last year, one of the places I looked at, they tried to pressure me into signing right there and then. I stalled (for one thing, at the time I wasn't entirely sure how much money I was going to be making yet, so I didn't want to commit to a lease right away), and they told me that they had two other people coming to see the apartment and it would be snapped up if I didn't sign then. A week or two later I decided on a different apartment. A week after I signed the lease for that apartment, the first place contacts me and asks me if I'm still interested. The apartment was still available.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #42 on: 11 Mar 2019, 21:19 »

I'm with Elliot here. I lost a place to live that I really liked once because I thought 'Let me sleep on it and get back to you' was the 'right' thing to do. Turns out when I called back the next morning it had already been rented. You snooze, you lose. You can't just ask yourself 'What could go wrong?' You also have to ask 'What could go right?'
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #43 on: 11 Mar 2019, 21:58 »

I am with Elliot as well. The thing is, you need to turn up knowing what your decision will be once you have answers to your questions. If you have the answers to your questions and you're still not sure, then you haven't prepared properly.

Anyway, I doubt that sleeping on their decision will change it. It'll more likely just make her feel more comfortable with it. As Castlerook mentioned.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #44 on: 11 Mar 2019, 23:30 »

It’s good to shop around, but Brun sold her clock to get money for the deposit.  I’m not sure how good her last place was.  Perhaps she’s approaching this with a very low bar set.
Well, it was over a firetrap dive bar.

Regarding heat, here in the Pacific Northwest hydroelectric was dirt cheap for years.  I heat with electricity with a wood stove fireplace insert for back-up but my neighbor across the street is on natural gas.  My parents heated our WWII-era constructed house with oil.  I can't remember the last time I saw new construction with oil heat or even a tank truck delivering heating oil to a residence.  No one I know of heats with coal here anymore.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #45 on: 11 Mar 2019, 23:44 »

That may not be so much a low bar as simply different needs. It was probably small and dark with small windows. She probably went to bed after the place shut so noise wouldn't be an issue (if it is an issue for her in the first place).
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #46 on: 12 Mar 2019, 00:21 »

It’s good to shop around, but Brun sold her clock to get money for the deposit.  I’m not sure how good her last place was.  Perhaps she’s approaching this with a very low bar set.
Well, it was over a firetrap dive bar.

Regarding heat, here in the Pacific Northwest hydroelectric was dirt cheap for years.  I heat with electricity with a wood stove fireplace insert for back-up but my neighbor across the street is on natural gas.  My parents heated our WWII-era constructed house with oil.  I can't remember the last time I saw new construction with oil heat or even a tank truck delivering heating oil to a residence.  No one I know of heats with coal here anymore.

My parents' house has an oil heating. At the time it was built in the late 80s, that was one of the cheapest variants.

I can remember my grandmother having a coal stove to heat her apartment, but she lived like 40 minutes out of town.


In my part of the world natural gas isn't used that often, hardly any buildings are connected. Most places have electrical stoves, since that's the only way.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #47 on: 12 Mar 2019, 00:30 »

I'll tell you why I think that Renee and Brun will end up taking the apartment: Brun has smiled more in relation to this place than she has about anything else other than dog puns! Something tells me that place will be good for her!

Meanwhile, if Eliott is talking about his current place, I want to see Moses sitting on Roko's lap, making her feel better as only a purring cat can! Either that or Melon trying to discuss philosophy with him.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #48 on: 12 Mar 2019, 03:00 »

You don't look for the best place to live. You look for a good place.

Also: I like Elliott. He's a kind person.
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Re: WCDT strips 3956-3960 (11th to 15th March 2019)
« Reply #49 on: 12 Mar 2019, 03:04 »

You don't look for the best place to live. You look for a good place.


You don't know whats best without having tried a few things.

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Also: I like Elliott. He's a kind person.

Sometimes to a fault.
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