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Star Wars 9
« on: 12 Apr 2019, 10:40 »

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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #1 on: 14 Apr 2019, 06:03 »

Here's something from the trailer (bottom) that someone on twitter noticed from Rey's vision from TLJ (top). I thought it was an A-wing when I watched the trailer, but the ships seem identical.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #2 on: 14 Apr 2019, 22:36 »

That image isn't loading.

Think I've seen that pointed out elsewhere, though.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #3 on: 16 Apr 2019, 17:50 »

So the title has me curious and speculating.

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« Reply #4 on: 16 Apr 2019, 19:46 »

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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #5 on: 16 Apr 2019, 20:29 »

@ LeeC.

That's an interesting possibility.  Hadn't  thought of that.
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« Reply #6 on: 30 Apr 2019, 02:23 »

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That...
Would be awful.

So it'll probably happen.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #7 on: 30 Apr 2019, 02:47 »

Are you two planning on seeing it, then?
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« Reply #8 on: 30 Apr 2019, 02:54 »

I, for one, am not planning to make a final decision until I've read reviews from on-line pundits (both pro- and anti-sequel trilogy) whose relative level of sanity I respect and whom I am confident lack any incentive to distort things positively or negatively. Once I have done that, if I see it, it will be in its second weekend of release.

I probably won't be taking Rotten Tomatoes' aggregate scores into consideration as I am satisfied that they use every means to manipulate their scores should there be an incentive to do so.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #9 on: 30 Apr 2019, 03:01 »

I totally agree with you on the second point; although to be fair, I am suspicious of all aggregate scoring systems, not just Rotten Tomatoes'.

I will avoid any form of review before seeing it because I'd rather not be influenced in my enjoyment of the film (or lack thereof) either way.
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« Reply #10 on: 01 May 2019, 08:32 »

Are you two planning on seeing it, then?

Have to see it to the bitter end...
I left the theatre after The Last Jedi thinking, surely there can be no follow up to this BS that could in any way be a good thing?

But, the fact that Rian was punted, and JJ has stated he's tearing what has gone before apart...

Anyway... I've seen all the rest on the big screen from day one... have to see the journey out, regardless of the destination...

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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #11 on: 26 Aug 2019, 06:38 »

New trailer dropped:


Edit: The thumbnail for the video is kind of a spoiler I suppose but then again its in the trailer. I put it in a spoiler anyway.

All I can say is wow.

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« Reply #12 on: 26 Aug 2019, 14:04 »

@LeeC,

There are basically two explanations that I can think of:

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Either way, I would counsel everyone to remember how deceptive were the trailers for The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. It's quite possible that nothing we've been given so far more than slightly matches the final product.
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« Reply #13 on: 26 Aug 2019, 14:14 »

All I know is that Dark Rey is hot af.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #14 on: 27 Aug 2019, 06:35 »

After watching this trailer breakdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dGf1s7xPE


I have a theory on the next movie regarding Rey:
 
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« Reply #15 on: 27 Aug 2019, 06:44 »

My theory:
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #16 on: 27 Aug 2019, 06:47 »

My theory:
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« Reply #17 on: 27 Aug 2019, 07:12 »

After watching this trailer breakdown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6dGf1s7xPE

I have a theory on the next movie regarding Rey:
 
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An interesting theory and actually quite workable.

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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #18 on: 27 Aug 2019, 07:30 »

Yeah, Jesse in that video pretty much said that they seem to be treading into old EU stuff so I wouldn't be surprised.
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« Reply #19 on: 28 Aug 2019, 05:47 »


Given that some of the EU stuff has force users being called "Skywalkers"... I really hope this isn't the meaning of the title.

TBH I've no idea what I want from this movie.
RJ really kicked the joy out of the saga for me.
We knew Han was gonna die cos Harrison had it written into his contract, but there's been little to no outcome of that.
Han Solo's dead? Oh well.

And the desecration of Luke's character was just sickening.

JJ has a LOT to do to pull this out of the fire to make the ending of the "Skywalker saga" in any way satisfying.
Yes, the trailer looks good, but I'm sort of dreading it being a total cheese fest (Dark Threepio, Force Dream Rey (assumed), Spirirt of Plagius (alleged), Emperor clones or suchlike (supposed) and Luke's still dead. (unnecessary).

But Leia is making an appearance, so there's SOME justice.

I know a lot of the above is supposition... but I'm just hoping it won't be just more flashy images over content.

We need something with the soul of a New Hope, the heart of Empire, the cinematographyof the Last Jedi and the fight choreography of Ray Parks!
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« Reply #20 on: 28 Aug 2019, 07:24 »

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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #21 on: 28 Aug 2019, 07:43 »

What if the evil Rey is Kylo's force cave moment?  :?
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« Reply #22 on: 28 Aug 2019, 22:41 »

What if the evil Rey is Kylo's force cave moment?  :?

Expanding this into the physical world, what if Rey was the evil one all along and she finally gets activated thus forcing the only person left with Skywalker blood (Leia will die, probably early in the movie) to rise from darkness? Bet you didn't see that in the Mystery BoxTM.

At this point the fandom has so utterly sucked the joy from the main movies that I'm just ready for the SAGA to be over. Let's end the Skywalkers and their taint upon the galaxy and look at all the other cool stuff that's happening in the margins.
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« Reply #23 on: 29 Aug 2019, 02:14 »

What if the evil Rey is Kylo's force cave moment?  :?

Yeah.. His, or her own.
(Although I would have imagined Kylo would already have had something of this ilk LONG ago...? Still who's to say you only get one? :)  )

And if that IS the case, putting this in a trailer would be akin to seeing Luke decapitating Vader in a trailer for Empire... 
A spoiler at best, totally misleading at worse.

My worst fear is that this does happen, and the Mary Sue-ing of Rey continues with her being tempted and defeating the pull of the Dark Side in a convenient 100 minute movie. (Although... I've seen a timeline-type poster thing from some Disney promo or other with all of the Star Wars legacy and ongoing projects on it... and TRoS looks to be taking place a good few years after TLJ )

(Went looking... found it...)



If that timeline is to scale (and it should be) then TFA and TLJ have taken place almost immediately after each other (or the time increment on the scale is barely enough to make a gap)... but the time gap between TLJ and TRoS is larger than that of Empire and Return...

Jebus.. I'm turning into a total fanboy geek here...

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« Reply #24 on: 01 Oct 2019, 17:14 »

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« Reply #25 on: 29 Oct 2019, 07:32 »

I think this'll be a dvd rental for me.
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« Reply #26 on: 29 Oct 2019, 09:22 »

From what I've been able to find, TFA and TLJ take place in the same year, so yea basically immediately following each other, and ESB and RotJ are one year apart. So, I guess RoS is probably at least a year after TLJ. No clear word yet on exactly how long.
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« Reply #27 on: 29 Oct 2019, 09:40 »

From what I've seen, its going to be at the very least a year, more like two or three, allowing the Resistance to build up again and for the First Order to consolidate their position. And it'll allow Rey to learn more about the Force.
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« Reply #28 on: 30 Oct 2019, 02:44 »

From what I've seen, its going to be at the very least a year, more like two or three, allowing the Resistance to build up again and for the First Order to consolidate their position. And it'll allow Rey to learn more about the Force.

If you look a couple of posts up, I posted a timeline a while back.
Gap between TLJ and TRoS is longer than the gap between Empire and Return.

(Which can only be a good thing, Rey haz books - so less Mary-Sue-ing)
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« Reply #29 on: 30 Oct 2019, 19:55 »

(Which can only be a good thing, Rey haz books - so less Mary-Sue-ing)

Rey has books? Didn't BipolarYoda burn them all?

(That was ... not my favourite Star Wars scene)
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« Reply #30 on: 31 Oct 2019, 01:54 »

No, Rey nicked em.

It's one of my favourite scenes. Fight me.
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« Reply #31 on: 31 Oct 2019, 02:22 »

Yeah, that 'last minute reveal' is just another in a long line of poor story-telling tricks that I despise about The Last Jedi.
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« Reply #32 on: 31 Oct 2019, 03:21 »

Mm-hmm.
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« Reply #33 on: 31 Oct 2019, 06:09 »

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« Reply #34 on: 31 Oct 2019, 06:18 »

That sounds disturbingly close to the rumours I'm hearing with one important addition:
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« Reply #35 on: 31 Oct 2019, 18:31 »

That idea sounds a lot more like something a Star Wars Expanded Universe/Legends writer would come up with.
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« Reply #36 on: 31 Oct 2019, 19:41 »

No, Rey nicked em.

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« Reply #37 on: 31 Oct 2019, 20:25 »

All I know is that Dark Rey is hot af.
Rey as Bene Gesserit? Is Disney admitting finally that Star Wars is a rip-off of Dune? :P

At this point the fandom has so utterly sucked the joy from the main movies that I'm just ready for the SAGA to be over.
This, pretty much, and not just the main movies. The misogynistic squealing from "fans" about a female lead in Rogue One was as bad as that over Rey in the trilogy movies, and it is really kind of off-putting. Oh well, at least they're not Browncoats... :P
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« Reply #38 on: 01 Nov 2019, 00:48 »

Extremely offputting. It's a difficult time to be a Star Wars fan.

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« Reply #39 on: 01 Nov 2019, 02:40 »

This, pretty much, and not just the main movies. The misogynistic squealing from "fans" about a female lead in Rogue One was as bad as that over Rey in the trilogy movies, and it is really kind of off-putting. Oh well, at least they're not Browncoats... :P

It's interesting that you should mention this.

I do recall when Rogue One came out that there was a lot of criticism about the (narratively justified, IMO) decision to wipe out the entire main cast in the last reel. However, complaints about Jyn's gender were a relative whisper and I can think of only one or two individual instances of that complaint during the run up to and after that movie.

Now, there is a huge furore about Rey but not so much because she's female but that she's a very badly written "Strong Woman" character (something even female writers sometimes complain about). The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from. Proof of endemic sexism in the Star Wars fandom? Well, when you consider that Ashoka Tano, Leia Organia-Solo and Mara Jade-Skywalker (all women as well as empowered, intelligent and having chosen and succeeded in their own llife choices) consistently rank amongst the fandom's favourite characters, then I consider the argument for sexism as highly suspect.

That idea sounds a lot more like something a Star Wars Expanded Universe/Legends writer would come up with.

Don't talk about the Dark Empire graphic novels, please. I try to forget those ever happened.
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« Reply #40 on: 01 Nov 2019, 03:31 »

Not wanting to open this up agaion...

I thought Rogue One was a brilliant Star Wars movie.
A bit *rushed* insofar as this nobody getting all the Rebels to listen to her for some reason, but hey....

Insofar as the 'last' trilogy is concerned.
I don;t have a problem with there being female leads.... but they were written so goddamn poorly I can;t help but wonder if there mustn't just be a section of the fandom who can;t make the distinction between.. She's a female lead" to "She's a badly written female lead"

And Whatserface... the 'Cocktail Dress 'General' and Rose were SO badly written that people railed against them... It's just unfortunate that people apparently (Cos I honestly haven't seen any myself) can;t make the distinction between "That poor bloody actor's character was really badly written" to "THESE WOMEN ARE GARBAGE!"

The actors themselves are absolutely fine... but their material was dire.
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« Reply #41 on: 01 Nov 2019, 04:55 »

Well, when you consider that Ashoka Tano, Leia Organia-Solo and Mara Jade-Skywalker (all women as well as empowered, intelligent and having chosen and succeeded in their own llife choices) consistently rank amongst the fandom's favourite characters, then I consider the argument for sexism as highly suspect.

I'd be interested to know if any of them were perceived as having got the better of a male lead.
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« Reply #42 on: 01 Nov 2019, 05:04 »

Well, when you consider that Ashoka Tano, Leia Organia-Solo and Mara Jade-Skywalker (all women as well as empowered, intelligent and having chosen and succeeded in their own llife choices) consistently rank amongst the fandom's favourite characters, then I consider the argument for sexism as highly suspect.

I'd be interested to know if any of them were perceived as having got the better of a male lead.

Yes, in all cases. Mara especially, given how she made Luke look like a stumbling idiot half the time (his teenager-style crush on her was actually quite funny to read). Ashoka actually held Darth Vader to a draw and pulled the male leads of Rebels' backsides out of that particular fire; space stops me from listing the number of times she saved Anakin and Obi-Wan during the Clone Wars. As for Leia...? Well, there's always: "Put that thing away, you're gonna get us all killed!" Han was never dominant in that relationship, which was always fully equal with both of them saving each other many times.
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« Reply #43 on: 01 Nov 2019, 06:21 »

The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from.
Luke Skywalker jumped from crop-dusting farm-boy to ace fighter-pilot in a couple of days, with no explanation of where those skills came from, and nobody bitched about that, so I'm calling double-standards there. And when, for example, MRA group Return of Kings organised a (feeble and ineffective) boycott of The Force Awakens as "SJW propaganda", I don't believe for one moment that they were making any sort of artistic judgement of the movie's writing, so I'm calling that BS too.

As regards Rogue One, sure these whiny douchebags were individuals (what else would they be?) but at the time the trailers came out there seemed to be an awful lot of them.
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« Reply #44 on: 01 Nov 2019, 06:37 »

The worst aspect is that she has been presented as a fully-fledged perfect heroine with no obvious explanation of where these skills come from.

Luke Skywalker jumped from crop-dusting farm-boy to ace fighter-pilot in a couple of days, with no explanation of where those skills came from, and nobody bitched about that, so I'm calling double-standards there.

But he didn't did he? He was a decent pilot and was able to get his X-Wing into battle without crashing it but he nearly got killed at least four times in the Battle of Yavin and needed others to pull his fat out of the fire. It wasn't until Obi-Wan actually told him to use the Force, reminding him of his minute level of training, that he realised that he had an alternative to the clearly-inadequate targetting computer on the X-Wing. By Empire Strikes Back, experience had made him a far better pilot and soldier but he was still very poor with his Jedi skills until Yoda gave him as much compressed training as he could (we don't know how long it took the Falcon to make its journey from Hoth to Bespin but it could have been weeks) that he was even able to hold off Vader for a short time. If Vader (a) didn't really think he was a threat and (b) had his own agenda, Luke would have been dead within a minute after that fight started. It would have been even longer for Luke to teach himself what little he could, mostly through Obi-Wan's journals on Tattooine before he was ready to rescue Han and, ultimately, face the Sith Order head-on in Return of the Jedi.

Compared to Luke's long struggle to acquire skills, Rey's really ace piloting skills and completely inexplicable expert-level lightsaber fighting skills is was ultra-easy for her.

And when, for example, MRA group Return of Kings organised a (feeble and ineffective) boycott of The Force Awakens as "SJW propaganda", I don't believe for one moment that they were making any sort of artistic judgement of the movie's writing, so I'm calling that BS too.

There will always be asses with an axe to grind. You can't judge a group by what, by your own admission, was a tiny minority.

The Force Awakens was largely met with a positive response by the fandom and so was Rey (although there was a lot of disquiet about the amount of hand-waving in the script about how she was doing what she was doing). It was hoped that The Last Jedi would explain things but it did not and that is when the hammer really came down on her being a badly-written Mary Sue character that the writers were trying to reinforce by making all the other characters into imbeciles.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #45 on: 01 Nov 2019, 07:14 »

Obi-Wan, who hadn't talked to Luke in what can be assumed as years based on Luke's conversation with his uncle, even knew of Luke's renown as a pilot. Sure maybe just a bush pilot but he had to learn how to fly whereas Rey just walked into a cockpit and flew. When Finn asked her how she did that she said she didn't know. That's just bad writing. A quick sentence of "I flew garbage barges for so-and-so" could have rectified that.

I think thats really the problem with the sequel trilogy, it just had bad writing. Like it went through one or two drafts before production. A lot of scenes just lacked context or was explained away with magic. I know we have not seen 9 yet but 7 and 8 just feel rushed in retrospect. Like the Disney team had to hit these deadlines NOW and not give them time to really flesh it out or give it the love it deserves.

I loved Rogue One. My only gripes are 1)there were some serious pacing issues with the first half and 2) it would have been great to have 1 or 2 more bonding moments with the team before the mission.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #46 on: 01 Nov 2019, 07:22 »

Obi-Wan, who hadn't talked to Luke in what can be assumed as years based on Luke's conversation with his uncle, even knew of Luke's renown as a pilot. Sure maybe just a bush pilot but he had to learn how to fly whereas Rey just walked into a cockpit and flew. When Finn asked her how she did that she said she didn't know. That's just bad writing. A quick sentence of "I flew garbage barges for so-and-so" could have rectified that.

Personally, I would have written the Falcon out of the story altogether and instead give Rey an A-Wing two-seat trainer that she had constructed from the abundant scrap on Jakku. She's taught herself to fly using it, hoping to eventually fly off into the galaxy to find her parents (all this can be explained in a quick burst of exposition whilst Finn helps her pre-flight the flying scrap-pile in question). However, escaping the First Order is a good alternate use for the ship. Unfortunately, she inevitably gets shot up by the pursuing full squadron of TIE Fighters and can only make a partial Hyperspace jump outside the system's heliosphere. Fortunately, Leia and Han are nearby for whatever reason (waiting for the Senate to allow the New Republic Star Fleet to drive off the First Order pirates attacking Jakku?) and Leia picks up Rey's instinctive Force 'scream' in response to the imminent likelihood of death. Being picked up by Han's New Republic cruiser, the MC80-class Mon Remonda solves Rey's transport problems and the problem of finding the nearest Resistance strong-point.

Heh... I can actually see it - The A-Wing drifting in space with a flight of TIEs about to finish  them off when suddenly: WHAM! The Mon Remonda drops out of lightspeed right in front of them. A brief volley of turbolaser shots and it's all over. The presence of the NRSF in the sector also explains how Poe gets away (previously another plot hole handwaved away) - He's hiding out on one of the wrecked capships on Jakku and uses its communications gear to signal for help. A shuttle from the Mon Remonda then comes to pick him up.

Um... Sorry, drifted into my half-written alt-TFA there.
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Re: Star Wars 9
« Reply #47 on: 01 Nov 2019, 16:07 »

There will always be asses with an axe to grind. You can't judge a group by what, by your own admission, was a tiny minority.
I did not "admit" any such thing. I stated that the boycott organised by Return of Kings was ineffective. My point in referencing it was to point out that not only individuals, but organised groups, were bent out of shape by the casting of a female lead in The Force Awakens.
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« Reply #48 on: 02 Nov 2019, 11:41 »

This latest trilogy has been pretty weak so far (stating whether it's weaker than the Episodes 1-3 trilogy would take more consideration than I care to put in.) But Ep. 7 was a blatant remake of Episode 4, and Episode 8 was a subtler remake of Episode 5. I'm not optimistic about Episode 9 - I'll still watch it at some point though.

At risk of sounding "Get off my lawn", the only truly good Star Wars films have been the original trilogy. And maybe Rogue One as well.
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« Reply #49 on: 02 Nov 2019, 12:07 »

Agreed, and I did quite like Rogue One.
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