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What's that dark grey tower with the light blue front in Union Robotics?

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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #50 on: 04 Sep 2019, 02:37 »

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #51 on: 04 Sep 2019, 03:52 »

Panel 5: another instance of the caffeine = meth trope.

I was a late adopter of coffee, and before I first started drinking it, I’d heard for years from people who claimed they weren’t really awake until they’d had their coffee. Now I’m a coffee nerd, drinking 14 oz flat whites brewed from about 40 grams of coffee most days, and I find that it makes pretty much no difference to my alertness whether I’m drinking caffeinated or decaf.

And yes, I’m an introvert.

The main struggle I have with caffeine is the withdrawal headaches. That’s a real effect on me even if the stereotype of it being a strong stimulant isn’t. It’s why I often drink decaf, I’m drinking coffee for the flavor, not the effect, so some days I skip coffee because I don’t feel like drinking it that day, and I don’t want to be punished with a headache for being fickle.

I’d drink decaf exclusively but I’ve found relatively few decaf bean sources that I enjoy.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #52 on: 04 Sep 2019, 05:13 »

Just don't play a prank by using a pretty powerful behaviour-altering chemical on a minor. It wouldn't surprise me if the next arc will be a Dora self-reflection arc of some form.

It similarly wouldn't surprise me if Dora actually gave Sam a latte with the absolute least amount of decaf coffee possible without Sam twigging on that it was basically just a cup of steamed milk, and Sam's reaction here is essentially psychosomatic. 

also, @Andrybak, thank you for tracking down that article. I'd only heard about it third-hand, and I didn't mean to imply either student had died.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #53 on: 04 Sep 2019, 06:07 »

Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
Tea bag!? *shudder* Western barbarians...

As for the supposed evils of caffeine, parents seem quite happy to let children way younger than 13 guzzle caffeinated, sugar-loaded soft drinks.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #54 on: 04 Sep 2019, 06:50 »

I think I may have found my new favorite comic posting.

*Dora's red eyes = teh scary* =:O
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #55 on: 04 Sep 2019, 06:59 »

What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.

Which was, of course, my first thought... but it looks more like the tea BAG itself...
(Looks 3D not 2D)

But a tea bag hanging on the side of the cup would make no sense.. hence my question..

(And you know Jeph - if it had been a tag there would have been tiny writing on it making some tea-pun!)  :)

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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #56 on: 04 Sep 2019, 07:34 »

I think I may have found my new favorite comic posting.

*Dora's red eyes = teh scary* =:O

Red eyes in morning, Fay should take warning.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #57 on: 04 Sep 2019, 07:39 »

Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
Tea bag!? *shudder* Western barbarians...

As for the supposed evils of caffeine, parents seem quite happy to let children way younger than 13 guzzle caffeinated, sugar-loaded soft drinks.

Funny you should mention that.

I personally started drinking coffee at a very early age, around 3 years old, obviously initially small amounts with lots of milk, but normal cups with milk at around 6-7 years old. In the Netherlands btw, where coffee is very much ingrained and I think not unusually consumed by children (albeit not at such a young age).
When I tell that here (USA), people are generally shocked, which I find amusing when observing all the garbage they typically let their kids consume at an early age, including the drinks you mention (coincidentally I had almost zero carbonated and/or caffeinated soft drinks before middle school myself)
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #58 on: 04 Sep 2019, 07:45 »

I drank coffee long before I did carbonated soft drinks,[1] starting about age six.  I went off coffee for a long time due to how it triggers my anxiety, but had to go back on caffeine because every non-controlled anxiety med either doesn't work on me, or knocks my arse out.

[1] When I was 2, I toddled to what became my first beer.  When the carbonation caused it to start coming out of my nose, I had a strong aversion to anything carbonated.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #59 on: 04 Sep 2019, 07:58 »

Which was, of course, my first thought... but it looks more like the tea BAG itself...
(Looks 3D not 2D)

But a tea bag hanging on the side of the cup would make no sense.. hence my question..

Most coffee places usually leave the teabag in the cup, with the idea that you let it sit for your preferred taste. Considering that Sam was going to be taking the tea back to Union Robotics, it might have run the risk of getting steeped, which ruins the flavour. So, cup of hot water, tea bag hanging on the side and bring it back so that it can be appreciated fresh.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #60 on: 04 Sep 2019, 08:01 »

Bubbles doesn't actually drink the tea, so the flavour is inconsequential.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #61 on: 04 Sep 2019, 08:02 »

In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #62 on: 04 Sep 2019, 08:03 »

Bubbles doesn't actually drink the tea, so the flavour is inconsequential.

True, but the scent of steeped tea is still powerful. Probably enough to ruin the visual profile Bubbles might build up.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #63 on: 04 Sep 2019, 08:07 »

As I suspect that the tea is intended to anaesthetise Chimevera rather than for Bubbles, a stronger scent might be beneficial. Or it might knock her out so completely that Jones may need a hand truck to get her back to the lab.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #64 on: 04 Sep 2019, 08:12 »

In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?

I am picturing it as undiluted coffee concentrate. Which sounds utterly amazing and I may have to make one myself.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #65 on: 04 Sep 2019, 08:24 »

I once worked at a place that had an off-menu drink called "The Heartstopper".  We had noticed that there was a section in the back of the fridge where things would freeze, so would take jugs full of espresso and just stick them back there, and pull off the ice.  Then refilled with more espresso, and so on.  The end drink contained a cup full of that, a touch of flavoured syrup, and some milk.  I once foolishly gave one to shut up this one kid because he kept on me about it, and how since he was Italian, that he could handle it.  Two days later, I find out that he still hadn't slept, and the girl he was dating at the time complained about other things not working either.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #66 on: 04 Sep 2019, 09:10 »


What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???
the paper label on the string of the tea bag.
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« Reply #67 on: 04 Sep 2019, 09:34 »

Which was, of course, my first thought... but it looks more like the tea BAG itself...
(Looks 3D not 2D)

But a tea bag hanging on the side of the cup would make no sense.. hence my question..

Most coffee places usually leave the teabag in the cup, with the idea that you let it sit for your preferred taste. Considering that Sam was going to be taking the tea back to Union Robotics, it might have run the risk of getting steeped, which ruins the flavour. So, cup of hot water, tea bag hanging on the side and bring it back so that it can be appreciated fresh.

Yeah... I thought of that as well... but it doesn't work 'in reality'.
I've also never seen an establishment that does fruit teas or similar do such a thing.

I'm just gonna go with Jeph isn't a habitual tea drinker :)

(Me? I can't even stand the smell of Coffee... makes me feel physically sick.)
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« Reply #68 on: 04 Sep 2019, 09:35 »


What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???
the paper label on the string of the tea bag.

See above!  :)
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« Reply #69 on: 04 Sep 2019, 10:22 »

Probably a tag to keep the tea bag from dropping to the bottom of the cup.
Tea bag!? *shudder* Western barbarians...

As for the supposed evils of caffeine, parents seem quite happy to let children way younger than 13 guzzle caffeinated, sugar-loaded soft drinks.

Funny you should mention that.

I personally started drinking coffee at a very early age, around 3 years old, obviously initially small amounts with lots of milk, but normal cups with milk at around 6-7 years old. In the Netherlands btw, where coffee is very much ingrained and I think not unusually consumed by children (albeit not at such a young age).
When I tell that here (USA), people are generally shocked, which I find amusing when observing all the garbage they typically let their kids consume at an early age, including the drinks you mention (coincidentally I had almost zero carbonated and/or caffeinated soft drinks before middle school myself)

The same here in Brasil. I have been drinking cofee my whole life - it's probably my main source of hydration. I got quite perplexed when I saw an american movie scene (can't remember what movie) where a father says "cofee is a drug. I don't give my kids drugs"! I can even drink cofee right before bedtime, with no noticeable effects on my sleep.

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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #70 on: 04 Sep 2019, 10:22 »

In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?

Welcome, new person!

I read about one nerd whose standard breakfast in college was a glass of chocolate syrup with enough coffee added to counter the sweetness.

You could make the rounds of indy coffee shops in your town and ask what unusual things they have.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #71 on: 04 Sep 2019, 10:30 »

Dang.
It didn't even need to be Faye's Favorite.

And someone will have a Demon-Eye Dora gravitar in 3.. 2.. 1..
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #72 on: 04 Sep 2019, 11:09 »


What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???


Teabag tag.



Since I'm here, I might as well ask a stupid question: where did the name "Chimevera" come from?

Did I miss something somewhere, or is this something the QC Hive Mind came up with?

/outoftheloop...
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« Reply #73 on: 04 Sep 2019, 11:16 »

*Meekly raises hand*

I made up the name 'Chimevera'. As Jeph hasn't given her a canon name, most posters just started using it!
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #74 on: 04 Sep 2019, 14:28 »


What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

My coffee shop uses loose tea, but we put to-go orders in these tea bags that have a long flap that hangs over the side of the cup. The lid then holds the bag in place and holds the top of the bag closed. We double the cup and tuck the flap between the cups. If Dora doesn't double the cups, that could be the flap of the bag. It could also be the bag held on the outside of the cup. It actually works quite well with that style of tea bag.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #75 on: 04 Sep 2019, 15:18 »

In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?

I am picturing it as undiluted coffee concentrate. Which sounds utterly amazing and I may have to make one myself.

You mean espresso?  :-D

And yeah, Ben is our official Hive Mind. Blame him.  :mrgreen:
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #77 on: 04 Sep 2019, 19:10 »

I would LOVE for May to have just walked in so she can short out at the irony of FAYE lecturing someone about bedside manner.

Faaaaaaaaaace meeeeeeeeeats.
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« Reply #78 on: 04 Sep 2019, 19:41 »

That really was mean of Dora.

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« Reply #79 on: 04 Sep 2019, 20:05 »

You’re just recycling jokes now.

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« Reply #80 on: 04 Sep 2019, 23:19 »

The disturbing thing about today's strip is, absent the caffeine buzz, this is more-or-less normal behaviour for Sam. Especially with the boundary violations and liking frankly icky stuff!

So, the question that needs to be asked is this: When and in what form will Faye's vengeance come?

I would LOVE for May to have just walked in so she can short out at the irony of FAYE lecturing someone about bedside manner.

Faaaaaaaaaace meeeeeeeeeats.

Bottom line is that Faye has actually come a long way since then, thanks to Bubbles. I also suspect not having to pretend she's an edgy criminal because of working in an underground operation may have also altered her professional behaviour somewhat.
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« Reply #81 on: 05 Sep 2019, 01:03 »

"po bone"?

also, that is an interesting (if personal) question - what is the AI experience of chassis damage, something similar to humans or just a bunch of system alerts?
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« Reply #82 on: 05 Sep 2019, 01:32 »

"po bone"?

also, that is an interesting (if personal) question - what is the AI experience of chassis damage, something similar to humans or just a bunch of system alerts?

The comic mentioned at one point that AI don't feel pain, although I *think* it may have been subsequently ignored as AI characters came to the fore-front (although it was never explicitly retconned away).

Based on how Bubbles describes olfactory sensations, my guess/headcanon would be "just a bunch of system alerts", but with the caveat that it still causes some significant mental discomfort. And possibly that AIs that are heavily integrated with their bodies do experience psychosomatic sensations that are not pain, but are comparable to it.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #83 on: 05 Sep 2019, 04:29 »

I once worked at a place that had an off-menu drink called "The Heartstopper".  We had noticed that there was a section in the back of the fridge where things would freeze, so would take jugs full of espresso and just stick them back there, and pull off the ice.  Then refilled with more espresso, and so on.  The end drink contained a cup full of that, a touch of flavoured syrup, and some milk.  I once foolishly gave one to shut up this one kid because he kept on me about it, and how since he was Italian, that he could handle it.  Two days later, I find out that he still hadn't slept, and the girl he was dating at the time complained about other things not working either.

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« Reply #84 on: 05 Sep 2019, 04:42 »

The comic mentioned at one point that AI don't feel pain, although I *think* it may have been subsequently ignored as AI characters came to the fore-front (although it was never explicitly retconned away).

As far as I know, it's still established that the synthetics don't experience pain in the same way as humans. From Melon's experience with a melon baller, it is clear that they can even disregard damage warnings if they choose to do so. However, it is also clear that they are sophisticated enough that their subconscious processes can provide a purely-hallucinatory stimulus response analogous to pain, as with Roko and her feet.
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« Reply #85 on: 05 Sep 2019, 04:47 »

Based on how she reacts unusually to things that other AI navigate similarly to humans, Melon *does* seem to have altered cognition/perception compared to other AI, though. So it's possible that damage not bothering her is somewhat unusual.

But yes, clearly AI don't exactly experience physical damage as a debilitating shock to the system.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #86 on: 05 Sep 2019, 06:48 »


What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???

My coffee shop uses loose tea, but we put to-go orders in these tea bags that have a long flap that hangs over the side of the cup. The lid then holds the bag in place and holds the top of the bag closed. We double the cup and tuck the flap between the cups. If Dora doesn't double the cups, that could be the flap of the bag. It could also be the bag held on the outside of the cup. It actually works quite well with that style of tea bag.

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Makes sense in context.. looks BLOODY weird!!!!  :)

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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #87 on: 05 Sep 2019, 06:50 »

In strip 4083, Fay is drinking Sam has ordered a drink for Faye called an, "Abomination".

What is it, and where can I get some?
A quick and shallow web search resulted in the following
  • Coffee with a Raw Egg
  • Coffee Cola
  • Tea + Coffee + Ice Cream
  • A really strange Brewing Companies Stout - definitely not likely
  • Black Iced Coffee + 7 Classic + 2 Raspberry + 2 toffee + 2 caramel + Caramel Sauce + Milk + Cream
  • The aforementioned Coffee liquid concentrate - horrible not because of its strength but it is either Mother Parkers or Folgers
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« Reply #88 on: 05 Sep 2019, 08:25 »

Folgers is an abomination in all its forms.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #89 on: 05 Sep 2019, 09:15 »

"po bone"?

also, that is an interesting (if personal) question - what is the AI experience of chassis damage, something similar to humans or just a bunch of system alerts?

There was a Q&A with Jeph where he said they don't feel pain like we do ("They're computers" or something very close to that). It was long enough ago that it may no longer be canon.

Those system alerts had better be high priority.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #90 on: 05 Sep 2019, 09:40 »


What's that brown thing stuck to the side of one of the cups???
the paper label on the string of the tea bag.
It looks too big relative to the size of the cup to be the paper tag on a tea bag.

I actually assumed it was a hand scribbled label to distinguish the "abomination" from the other two coffees (and the tea in the larger cup). It's only after reading the comments here that I realised the brown thing could be a teabag which is not yet in the water to avoid oversteeping. I guess it makes sense that the abomination would be the larger one - that said, Dora's words implied that it's much stronger than a regular coffee so it wouldn't necessarily need to be a bigger size as well.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #91 on: 05 Sep 2019, 10:43 »

Those system alerts had better be high priority.

"High Priority" is what the sysadmin (in this case, the AI in question) says it is.  I'd hope that they had the capacity to ignore, or at least lower the priority of such alerts in order to say, have surgery (no need for anesthetic) or to function without alerts causing a potentially dangerous distraction.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #92 on: 05 Sep 2019, 11:01 »

If Sam were anymore hyper she’d fashion her shirt into a hoodie and declare herself the Great Cornholio.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #93 on: 05 Sep 2019, 11:36 »

"po bone"?

I was wondering about that also.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #94 on: 05 Sep 2019, 17:21 »

Those system alerts had better be high priority.

"High Priority" is what the sysadmin (in this case, the AI in question) says it is.  I'd hope that they had the capacity to ignore, or at least lower the priority of such alerts in order to say, have surgery (no need for anesthetic) or to function without alerts causing a potentially dangerous distraction.

Lordie I wish I could do that.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #95 on: 05 Sep 2019, 19:05 »

Those system alerts had better be high priority.

"High Priority" is what the sysadmin (in this case, the AI in question) says it is.  I'd hope that they had the capacity to ignore, or at least lower the priority of such alerts in order to say, have surgery (no need for anesthetic) or to function without alerts causing a potentially dangerous distraction.

What you're talking about is essentially an AI analog of anesthetic.

You seem to be advocating for an AI to be able to turn off pain response at will. I don't think that you've really thought through the inevitable consequences of people having the capacity to simply turn off the pain response to injury without trained medical intervention.

Pain isn't just an alert system. It motivates a response.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #96 on: 05 Sep 2019, 19:28 »

*Meekly raises hand*

I made up the name 'Chimevera'. As Jeph hasn't given her a canon name, most posters just started using it!

Thanks for the clarification. Seems more polite than calling her "Greenie".



And in today's strip... AI surgery. Looks like AIs can definitely turn off their "pain" or "discomfort" or "damage reports" or whatever as needed.

I really like how the AI bodies in these strips have so many analogues to human muscles and systems with myomers for muscles, lubrication lines, coolant pumps, carbon fiber bones, etc. There's a lot of good engineering in humans. It'd be a shame to let it go to waste.

There's a lot of WTF engineering in humans, too... hopefully they left a lot of that out. The ability to shut off pain when you need to would be pretty sweet.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #97 on: 05 Sep 2019, 19:35 »

This day's strip needs a soundtrack.

EDITED for a better arrangement.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #98 on: 05 Sep 2019, 19:52 »

Let's be honest here - Dr Greenie should probably have just turned herself off for the duration.
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Re: WCDT strips 4081-4085 (2nd-6th September 2019)
« Reply #99 on: 05 Sep 2019, 20:34 »

I know Faye is operating on her leg, but it looks and sounds like she’s got her hands some place else.
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